Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by mosslost, Jan 22, 2018.
and flacco didnt miss a game after kiko knocked him out
RE: people saying the hit was dirty:
This is the best image I can find.
To me it definitely looks like a defender leading with his shoulder and their heads colliding unintentionally. Flag-worthy? Yes, that's the rule so throw the flag, but not dirty.
If anyone has a better image/gif that shows something different I'd love to see it, but based on what I saw I really don't think it was dirty.
Gronk was a defenseless receiver thus the call.
I totally bought into Church's rationalization and thought process before laying the lumber on Gronk. There was no way that hit was dirty. Just illegal.
I think Zo said something like "If this was 4-5 years ago he'd be back in the game". So I take that to mean he wasn't knocked out, probably had a minor concussion but couldn't pass the test to get back in. So hopefully the 13 days off will give him plenty of time, but concussions are a tricky thing, not everyone reacts and recovers the same way.
I have no idea how bad Gronk's 'concussion' is/was, but I figured the minute they took him of the field and the word concussion was brought up, there was a 95+% chance he was not going to play the rest of the game.
The Patriots not only have to play within the 'rules' but also have to be extremely careful and ultra conservative when it comes to things like this. Even if Gronk 'passed' whatever protocol there was at half time, unless there was 100% no doubt, double checked by 3 independent doctors, with Goodell himself watching the testing, I suspected they would not let him play. Just imaging the uproar and 'concussion-gate' scandal that would have ensued if he actually played in the game, and he actually contributed to the Pats winning.
There are rules, and then then there are even more 'rules' for the Patriots. There were even some rumblings last SB about Edelman maybe being concussed, but he got up quickly and ran into the huddle before anyone could do anything.
Hopefully Gronk is fine. Hopefully he does not even have a concussion.
So, Church was fined more than 24K, but it wasn't a dirty hit and NE got the benefit of the officiating calls?
disagree....if he passed the test, he would have played. Their season was on the line. Your argument really doesn't make sense. You are saying even if Gronk passed the test, they wouldn't play him because the media and the league wouldn't have liked it? No way..
I really really hope he's ready for the big game. I am slightly worried about next Sunday because the Eagles seem confident and they are talking tons of trash.
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Who will be the go to guy if Gronk is out. The one player on offense that the Eagles will pay close attention to? If he hasn't practiced yet, what difference will a week make? I'm legitimately asking, as I am not totally familiar with concussions.
Considering the fact that there wasn’t a game this week and that they were on a bye, I wouldn’t imagine that missing an imaginary week would make any difference whatsoever.
As long as he’s back by Wednesday, it will be the same amount of practice time as always, in addition to the mental stuff he’s been absorbing.
Here some good info by Reiss:
The final decision is with the Patriots head team physician and that decision must be confirmed by an independent neurological consultant. They are looking for the player to demonstrate a tolerance of activities in the five different steps of the return-to-participation protocol without recurrence of signs or symptoms of concussion being observed or reported. The five steps are: 1. Rest/recovery; 2. Light aerobic exercise; 3. Introduction of strength training; 4. Football specific activities; 5. Full football activity. Here's what we know about Rob Gronkowski right now: He's been at the facility each of the last five days and has been driving, which is a small detail but adds some context to where he stands with his recovery. Naturally, as he continues to progress, the odds become that much better for him to be available for Super Bowl LII. Four of the five players who had documented concussions missed the next game before returning the following week and the Patriots obviously hope Gronkowski follows that timeline, as well.
I believe he will play and play well. His good, old self. If he’s being ok to drive then the mental part is clear. If he was loopy, they would have him driven around as docs won’t let you drive if your heads not right. The rest of the stuff to get back on the field is probably easier than the mental green light
Not to get all technical here, but if the team's decision must be confirmed by an independent consultant, then the final decision lies with the independent neurological consultant. Odds look better for Gronk than Wise, but I hope both are good. Something like 281 concussions this year is a new high.
Wise looked like he was knocked out cold. I’m more concerned with him playing than Gronkowski.
Agree. I'm worried about Wise as well. Especially since this is his 2nd one (that I know of) this year.
LOL that two people disagreed with this. I mean there is LITERALLY an image, right smack dab in front of your face, that shows Church leading with the shoulder and not the helmet. The **** are you disagreeing with? Are you all blind?
My general feeling on the matter is that Gronk will either play or he won’t play.
Church got a fine of 25k.
However he got the Patriots biggest threat out. If the Jags had won the game he would make a bonus of at least 96k (for going to and losing a SB, 148k for winning).
Current financial incentives in the playoffs encourage headhunting.
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