Another unfortunate scenario?

[XLIX]

Just out of curiosity, what is the forum limit for threads where someone thinks they've broken new ground by discovering that Ward, Hunter and Carter will be taken before us?

 

[1960Pats]

Not trying to be too critical but I just don't understand all the uproar over a draft pick. For all we know #4 could end up being a better choice than #3. The best QB was only the first QB taken in about a half dozen drafts since 1960. And I bet it's the same for many other positions. Teams can prepare all they want but there's no way of knowing what you really have until they get in the NYFL, and even then it could take years. Young players develop differently

 

[XLIX]

Not trying to be too critical but I just don't understand all the uproar over a draft pick.

I think the uproar is twofold: (1) yeah anything can happen, but there is definitely a major drop off this year between #3 and #4 this year in terms of projected success in the NFL. This is really an atrocious year to be #4..... and (2) we had the #1 overall right in our hands, and let it get away

 

[dliverey44]

Any team that had Russell Wilson and jameis Winston as their QBs last year would be looking to draft a qb this year. Having bad QBs on one year deals is not a thing to prevent you from drafting a qb.

Thats true but doesn't change the fact that Sanders is a reach at 3. He can throw with anticipation at times, but he is not good in the quick game other than WR screens. He has a tendency to hold onto the ball to long very similar to Caleb Williams last year, but the big difference is that Sanders does not have the athletic profile to get away with it.

I think he could be good in the NFL and he has won everywhere he has been, but he should not be a year 1 starter. He is going to need a good OC and QB coach, which is not different than others but to me I just do not see year 1 quality starter.

TLDR: dude has some upside not worth pick 3 imo

 

[XLIX]

Thats true but doesn't change the fact that Sanders is a reach at 3.

Sanders is a reach at #3 of the 2nd round, to say nothing of #3 overall.

 

[Ring 6]

Just out of curiosity, what is the forum limit for threads where someone thinks they've broken new ground by discovering that Ward, Hunter and Carter will be taken before us?

According to the by laws, 11.

 

[JohnJH]

I have always been a follow the course guy and hoped for the Pats to stay @ the 4th draft slot and build for tomorrow.

The AJB rumors puts the Pats in a win now position IMO. That means Playoffs assuming NE fixes the OL and fills a few other needs.

I'd love AJB and the Eagles 1st Rounder and 2nd Rounder this draft and their 1st Rounder in 2026. Unfortunately, Carter won't be there at #4, so it's unfortunately a moot point.

 

[lancerman]

Not trying to be too critical but I just don't understand all the uproar over a draft pick. For all we know #4 could end up being a better choice than #3. The best QB was only the first QB taken in about a half dozen drafts since 1960. And I bet it's the same for many other positions. Teams can prepare all they want but there's no way of knowing what you really have until they get in the NYFL, and even then it could take years. Young players develop differently

Combo of

1. Patriots fans not being used to high draft picks (this is our second top 5 pick in like a quarter century).
2. Shellshocked/pissed off fanbase because we pissed away the number 1 pick in the last game
3. The perception that there are only two premier prospects and we got saddled with the 4th pick in a year where QB's wouldn't push one of them to us.
4. Months of bargaining of people trying to concoct scenarios where Hunter or Carter fall to us despite it always being an unlikely outcome.

If we had the 8th pick and were never sort of in the running for the top guys this wouldn't have been as big of a deal. We'd settle for whoever was BPA there. But now everyone feels like we need to get something for the 4.

 

[lancerman]

Thats true but doesn't change the fact that Sanders is a reach at 3. He can throw with anticipation at times, but he is not good in the quick game other than WR screens. He has a tendency to hold onto the ball to long very similar to Caleb Williams last year, but the big difference is that Sanders does not have the athletic profile to get away with it.

I think he could be good in the NFL and he has won everywhere he has been, but he should not be a year 1 starter. He is going to need a good OC and QB coach, which is not different than others but to me I just do not see year 1 quality starter.

TLDR: dude has some upside not worth pick 3 imo

Sanders isn't going #3. Yes the Giants need an answer longterm at QB, but Sanders is too big of a reach to pick there.

Realistically after Ward is picked, the Browns, Giants, Raiders and Jets all need a QB and the common belief is they are likely to pass on Sanders.

He's not even showing up on draft day because he knows he's not going high.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Sanders isn't going #3. Yes the Giants need an answer longterm at QB, but Sanders is too big of a reach to pick there.

Realistically after Ward is picked, the Browns, Giants, Raiders and Jets all need a QB and the common belief is they are likely to pass on Sanders.

He's not even showing up on draft day because he knows he's not going high.

I am sure sanders agent has polled all the teams and probably advised him to stay home

 

[Triumph]

I'd love AJB and the Eagles 1st Rounder and 2nd Rounder this draft and their 1st Rounder in 2026. Unfortunately, Carter won't be there at #4, so it's unfortunately a moot point.

Is this Carter the next Lawrence Taylor or something?

He should be # 1 pick then because the Eagles would be giving up a crazy amount of picks, talent and cap space.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

...Teams can prepare all they want but there's no way of knowing what you really have until they get in the NYFL, and even then it could take years. Young players develop differently

This seems to be a popular opinion, but I have a different viewpoint. I think that teams know how good their picks were by the end of training camp, but the fans do not. Sure some show potential that needs to be developed and some are hopeless (N'Keal Harry) but in general, the team knows what type of player they have pretty quickly. Let's hope that Marty Mapu is the former.

BTW, BB noted that he knew what he had in Lawrence Taylor the first day of training camp. I'll bet the coaches have a pretty good inkling of the talent level of the rookies by the first week. When everyone said that Harry just needed some game experience, the coaching staff knew he was hopeless and just did not want to admit it; if he had been a 7'th round pick, he would have been cut in camp.

Heck at the end of training camp, BB used to tell Joe Castiglione what the Patriots record would be and it was pretty accurate. He knew what he had as far as rooks and vets and what the schedule was etc

 

[TommyD4207]

Is this Carter the next Lawrence Taylor or something?

He's not even Jason Taylor.

 

[Triumph]

If the Big 3 go as predicted - Ward, Hunter, Carter - then the Pats are sitting in the catbird seat.

They can field calls from buyers and still get their OT if they close a deal. Id rather stay put and take the best guys available @ 4, 38, 69, 77.

 

[Triumph]

He's not even Jason Taylor.

Thank God its the final countdown and over this week.

 

[Wozzy]

Pats forums… the only place a top five draft pick could be la considered “unfortunate.”

Neither Carter or Hunter are that transcendent, or much better than the players around them in the top ten.

I swear, if it was raining money Pat’s fans would be complaining the quarters were hitting them on the head.

 

[JohnJH]

Is this Carter the next Lawrence Taylor or something?

He should be # 1 pick then because the Eagles would be giving up a crazy amount of picks, talent and cap space.

That's what a lot of people seem to be thinking. As with most high ranked prospects, I really don't know what he'll end up being.

 

[Wozzy]

This is unfortunate… 5th overall draft pick and cautionary tale… the guy is unrecognizable.

 

[1960Pats]

This seems to be a popular opinion, but I have a different viewpoint. I think that teams know how good their picks were by the end of training camp, but the fans do not. Sure some show potential that needs to be developed and some are hopeless (N'Keal Harry) but in general, the team knows what type of player they have pretty quickly. Let's hope that Marty Mapu is the former.

BTW, BB noted that he knew what he had in Lawrence Taylor the first day of training camp. I'll bet the coaches have a pretty good inkling of the talent level of the rookies by the first week. When everyone said that Harry just needed some game experience, the coaching staff knew he was hopeless and just did not want to admit it; if he had been a 7'th round pick, he would have been cut in camp.

Heck at the end of training camp, BB used to tell Joe Castiglione what the Patriots record would be and it was pretty accurate. He knew what he had as far as rooks and vets and what the schedule was etc

I think my point is the same. You don't know exactly what you have until you see them among the other players in the NYFL. That's when you can see who'll be players and who may take some time or may not make it at all. That's why I'm a big fan of more draft picks and undrafted players. Get a look at the most you can.

My post was more that the draft position doesn't guarantee anything. I did some research a while back and these are the top 5 HOF QB's drafted behind other QBs that aren't in the HOF.

Player / Draft # / QBs taken before them;
Starr / 200 / 8
Brady / 199 / 6
Fouts / 64 / 5
Favre / 33 / 2
Unitas / 102 / 3

That's 5 HOF QB's that were taken after 24 other non HOF QB's and there are more. There are only 6 HOF QBs who were the 1st QB taken since 1960.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Any team that had Russell Wilson and jameis Winston as their QBs last year would be looking to draft a qb this year. Having bad QBs on one year deals is not a thing to prevent you from drafting a qb.

If the Giants O line performs the way they have the last few years, they will need all their QBs, given the pressures and sacks they give up.