Anonymous Sources: Mac is Impressing in Offseason

[Ring 6]

I corrected it for you...

No correction is necessary and thank you for making my point

 

[Ring 6]

Wow... That goes beyond cheer-leading into pure ****-sucking.

I wouldn’t know about **** sucking but apparently you are an expert. And everything I said is 100% accurate and you know you can’t dispute it.

 

[Kasmir]

Josh Allen 2019:
16 Games
10-6 Record
20 Passing TDs
4.3 TD%
9 INTs
2.0 TD%
3089 Passing Yards
85.3 Passer Rating
510 Rushing Yards
9 Rushing TDs
4 Comeback Wins
5 Game-Winning Drives

Mac Jones 2022:
14 Games
6-8 Record
14 Passing TDs
3.2 TD%
11 INTs
2.5 TD%
2997 Passing Yards
84.8 Passer Rating
102 Rushing Yards
1 Rushing TD
0 Comeback Wins
0 Game-Winning Drives

You tell me who you think had the better second season? Because it's pretty clear to me that Josh Allen had a MUCH better second season than Mac Jones.

Both QB's sucked in their 2nd year. Yeah Mac was a little worse (both in passer rating and DVOA), but Allen was no world beater. Both teams had below average offenses and really good defenses. The Bills lucked out in close the games and the Pats had bad luck in close games.

 

[crawhammer]

Both QB's sucked in their 2nd year.

Well at least you're 50% accurate. Your percentage is going up.

 

[captain stone]

In BOB's interview he said something like learning Saban's offense from Mac was "fake news".

Not even that much? Well at least they both learned the same basic Saban/Sarkesian offense, just not at the exact same time or with each other present on campus...

 

[captain stone]

You’re a man ahead of the curve. After this season, the sycophancy will just inspire laughter.

It’s a legitimate question to pose how we’ll do against our AFC East rivals. I’m guessing .500 at best. If we catch some breaks.

2-4... Home wins vs Doofins & Jete.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Not even that much? Well at least they both learned the same basic Saban/Sarkesian offense, just not at the exact same time or with each other present on campus...

Yes that is right. Agreed. I think BOB tweaked the offense too while he has there adding more involvement with the TEs. BOB did not have the WR talent that Mac had (on prior Alabama teams).

 

[Zuma]

Josh Allen 2019:
16 Games
10-6 Record
20 Passing TDs
4.3 TD%
9 INTs
2.0 TD%
3089 Passing Yards
85.3 Passer Rating
510 Rushing Yards
9 Rushing TDs
4 Comeback Wins
5 Game-Winning Drives

Mac Jones 2022:
14 Games
6-8 Record
14 Passing TDs
3.2 TD%
11 INTs
2.5 TD%
2997 Passing Yards
84.8 Passer Rating
102 Rushing Yards
1 Rushing TD
0 Comeback Wins
0 Game-Winning Drives

You tell me who you think had the better second season? Because it's pretty clear to me that Josh Allen had a MUCH better second season than Mac Jones.

I always look at passer rating 1st…

85.3 Passer Rating
84.5 Passer Rating

 

[Tunescribe]

Stop trying to pump this guy up.

Spoken like a true non-fan. Stop trying to tear him down.

 

[moosekill]

Not sure I would use Skippy B as a legitimate news source.

 

[TomPatriot]

Sure, all coincidence

He was runner up MVP in 03 and Got votes in 05. I provided the stats in the previous post. Nothing you can say can takeaway from how quickly he became great.

Brady also loved the game more than anything else, worked harder than anyone else and was coached as well or better than anyone else.

Just one tiny moan: 2003 was his fourth year in the league.

 

[TomPatriot]

Not on the OL. Since the dawn of the game, the OL's job is still the same. Get a body in front of another body and either create holes in the front 7 or protect the passer when he throws. Priorities might change. The skill levels might have changed. But the basic components of the game are, dare I say, eternal.

The last big change in the OL was when they allowed them to extend their arms. THAT was a HUGE change. Now blocking, especially pass blocking, is done with your hands, rather than heads and shoulders. THAT happened in 1978 (which was earlier that I thought, btw). So what it took to be a good offensive lineman in 2001 is the same today. Only the sizes and skill levels have changed.

The changes we are seeing now is the trend is going toward more athletic OLmen with quicker feet to combat the smaller and even MORE athletic edge rushers. Matt LIght, whose weakness was ALWAYS speed rushers) didn't have to see guys who run 4.5's almost every week. That IS a change, but it doesn't mean that the techniques, drills, and the skills that they look for are vastly different than the ones 20 years ago.

Good post. Because even in today’s pass happy league, over 41% of the plays from scrimmage are running plays, I would just add that OL second level blocking is a secondary reason for more athletic OLs.

 

[All3Phases]

Brady also loved the game more than anything else, worked harder than anyone else and was coached as well or better than anyone else.

Just one tiny moan: 2003 was his fourth year in the league.

Agree, the previous point was made that his first 5 years he was a game manager, I just showed he wasn’t. Not fair to compare Mac to Brady, that was really the point

 

[Pats2000]

His pocket awareness was ok in 2021. I wonder what changed in 2022. We can’t talk about the thing that happened in 2022 because certain
nabobs of negativism don’t want to hear it.

His pocket awareness wasnt great in '21 either. The line did a better job figuring it out for him in a lot of cases.

 

[50-yard-line]

Sure, all coincidence

He was runner up MVP in 03 and Got votes in 05. I provided the stats in the previous post. Nothing you can say can takeaway from how quickly he became great.

03 was his fourth year in the league. Got votes in 05 (but not in 04?)? That was his sixth year.

Love Brady - the GOAT. Ice in his veins when it mattered.

His first 3 Superbowls were entirely team efforts, particularly in stifling the assumed BEST QB, Manning, over and over again, with great Defense, game-planning (and Ty Law).

Brady just kept getting better and better. It's amazing how hard he continued to work for decades. I don't think it was until 07 when most people began realizing how good he had really become.

 

[All3Phases]

03 was his fourth year in the league. Got votes in 05 (but not in 04?)? That was his sixth year.

However early you want to define, “early in his career”

Love Brady - the GOAT. Ice in his veins when it mattered.

His first 3 Superbowls were entirely team efforts, particularly in stifling the assumed BEST QB, Manning, over and over again, with great Defense, game-planning (and Ty Law).

Agree, he was also an elite qb by the 2nd title, which was the point I argued against.

Brady just kept getting better and better. It's amazing how hard he continued to work for decades. I don't think it was until 07 when most people began realizing how good he had really become.

 

[crawhammer]

He became the GOAT by being the smartest player on the field and doing things the right way more than anyone else... by being hyper efficient. He made mistakes of course, but what separates him from the absolute best wasn't his arm strength, it was his TD to INT ratio, his efficiency... he rarely made mistakes.

Nice try... that's just a polished up version of "Brady's a game manager." So obviously you're still understating it because of course you're leaving out the clutchness, which is definitively what separates Brady from everyone else. There are a million examples throughout Brady's career but I'll point out the most obvious ones from the postseason alone:

Oakland Raiders, Divisional Round, "Snow Bowl": 4th quarter & OT stats in a blizzard, comeback and GWD
St. Louis Rams, Super Bowl 36: GWD in first ever SB appearance, first year starter, SB MVP
Carolina Panthers, Super Bowl 38: 18-point 4th quarter in what had turned into a shootout, comeback, GWD, SB MVP
Baltimore Ravens, Divisional Round (2014 season): overcame two 14-point deficits, comeback and GWD (against Ravens defense)
Seattle Seahawks, Super Bowl 49: overcame 10-point 4th quarter deficit against the Legion of Boom (who obliterated Peyton Manning a year prior), comeback, GWD, SB MVP
Atlanta Falcons, Super Bowl 51: 28-3, 25 points in 4th quarter & OT, orchestrated the greatest comeback in NFL history, SB MVP
Jacksonville Jaguars, AFCCG (2017 season): Brady's most underrated comeback win, 14-point 4th quarter against the league's #2 defense (without Edelman and an ineffective Gronk)
Kansas City Chiefs, AFCCG (2018 season): withstood a 24-point 4th quarter from Mahomes, phenomenally converted three consecutive 3rd-10's in OT, became Brady's signature postseason road win as a Patriot
Los Angeles Rams, Super Bowl 53: perfectly executed GWD (amazingly his 6th GWD in his 6 SB wins with the Patriots)

Besides all that (and much more), Brady was like you tried to say, an "efficient game manger" lol. Thank you for another trip down superhero memory lane.

 

[Wozzy]

Signifies how a player joining a team turned the season around? As he mentioned how much he essentially hated Bledsoe at the same time

It wasn't just Brady... that's just what fanboys see because they distill football down into one magical player.

Not sure what this post signifies, originally you included how mediocre he was for his first 5 years, then when given the stats you post that he was only a game manager for 1 year. So we agree, you can get away with 01, not much after that

I never called Brady mediocre, that's just you being dishonest. I said, just like Josh Allen, Brady had to develop into who he became. he didn't arrive like a lightning bolt, set the NFL passing records on fire and dominate like you pretend happened.

Just let Mac be Mac and see what he becomes, you aren’t doing him any favors by bringing Brady into the conversation

Most rookies regardless of position need to get stronger, smarter, develop and improve. You think they arrive like Superman via spaceship and change the world immediately, Brady didn't even play his rookie season. I never compared Mac to anyone, I compared his situation as a young player to every rookie that's ever been.

 

[Triumph]

Josh Allen 2019:
16 Games
10-6 Record
20 Passing TDs
4.3 TD%
9 INTs
2.0 TD%
3089 Passing Yards
85.3 Passer Rating
510 Rushing Yards
9 Rushing TDs
4 Comeback Wins
5 Game-Winning Drives

Mac Jones 2022:
14 Games
6-8 Record
14 Passing TDs
3.2 TD%
11 INTs
2.5 TD%
2997 Passing Yards
84.8 Passer Rating
102 Rushing Yards
1 Rushing TD
0 Comeback Wins
0 Game-Winning Drives

You tell me who you think had the better second season? Because it's pretty clear to me that Josh Allen had a MUCH better second season than Mac Jones.

Ya, but Patricia and Judge.

 

[Wozzy]

Josh Allen 2019:
16 Games
10-6 Record
20 Passing TDs
4.3 TD%
9 INTs
2.0 TD%
3089 Passing Yards
85.3 Passer Rating
510 Rushing Yards
9 Rushing TDs
4 Comeback Wins
5 Game-Winning Drives

Mac Jones 2022:
14 Games
6-8 Record
14 Passing TDs
3.2 TD%
11 INTs
2.5 TD%
2997 Passing Yards
84.8 Passer Rating
102 Rushing Yards
1 Rushing TD
0 Comeback Wins
0 Game-Winning Drives

You tell me who you think had the better second season? Because it's pretty clear to me that Josh Allen had a MUCH better second season than Mac Jones.

Mac was on a dumpster fire of an offense last season.

His passing stats his rookie season were better than Josh Allen's first two years combined. That's why omitted them, you know Patricia was a total detriment... but you want to paint a picture not tell the truth.

Josh Allen's coordinator was so good he got a head coaching job with the Giants. Apples/oranges.

Here are their first two years in totality, even with the Patrica dumpster fire included... Mac was better.