After 53 cutdown thoughts

[Brady6]

Huh?
Izzo to Ir then add OL and WR/PR. 53.

They only have 7 active OL on game day so if they can get the players they want as OL 8 and 9 on the practice squad it doesn’t make much of a difference. The only reason to carry them on the 53 is thinking you’d lose them.

 

[Brady6]

It seems almost certain the Pats will add WR and OT depth after Izzo goes to IR/Eligible. However, those acquisitions would bring the roster up to 53, so I don't know where that leaves Bolden - unless the Pats are trading away someone.

It seems more likely to me that the Pats would add a depth WR from the pool of newly-minted FAs than to trade for one. Possibly the same with OT.

Pats cuts who seem likely to me to get claimed include:

Webb
Lewis
Valentine
C.Jones
Gillislee
McCarron

Possibly also:

Lucien
M.Flowers
Harris

For the Pats PSquad ...

The Pats typically keep a total of 10 OL between the active roster and the PSquad, probably so that they can field a full 5-man scout-team OL. If the Pats are going with 8 OL on the active roster, I'd expect two on the Psquad, one of whom might be Croston.

Etling might be signed to the PSquad, but possibly Rudock instead (if he isn't claimed elsewhere).

Beyond that, I'd guess that the composition of the PSquad/scout-team includes:
1 LB
2 WR ... probably /PR, possibly Lucien, Maye or Reedy (again)
1 DT ... possibly Herron or Atkins
possibly Muhammad or Farrow (RBs)
possibly Wiltz and/or Travis
possibly Poggi

Over 1100 players were waived or released yesterday I don’t see 6 players from the Patriots being claimed.

 

[TomPatriot]

I'm not saying no, but if the Pats were interested wouldn't both teams have just agreed to him in the Jordan Richards trade instead of that joke of a conditional pick

Maybe Atlanta didn’t have plans to cut him at the time of the trade and maybe the Pats were unsure of which OLs they’d cut.

 

[Family]

Maybe Atlanta didn’t have plans to cut him at the time of the trade and maybe the Pats were unsure of which OLs they’d cut.

That's why I wasn't saying no. But the trade was only 24 hours before. The Pats must have known their needs and Atlanta must have known he was firmly on the bubble.

If the Pats wanted him, what are the chances they would have heard "no" to the request?

 

[long distance]

Pats cuts who seem likely to me to get claimed include:

Webb
Lewis
Valentine
C.Jones
Gillislee
McCarron

Possibly also:
Lucien
M.Flowers
Harris

Quite extensive likely claims list there . and no OL..

Why would anybody claim Webb, McCarron, Lucien? Im sure you know the endless list of RBs and WR-R available..

But id be good with this list - it would mean Croston would be available to bring back..

 

[Uptown]

This stat is heavily skewed by the age of both Brady & Hoyer, but it izz what it izz.

 

[Family]

Pats cuts who seem likely to me to get claimed include:

Webb
Lewis
Valentine
C.Jones
Gillislee
McCarron

Possibly also:

Lucien
M.Flowers
Harris

I'm always surprised at who gets grabbed, but would be shocked if anyone wants McCarron considering the Patriots cut him when they had no other PR, and three available WRs in a year where they only needed a filler for four weeks.

 

[TomPatriot]

It's BBs fault for coaching and developing Adam Butler which made VV expendable.

BB the coach undermined BB the GM

This is one big, overlooked reason the Hannable argument is disingenuous. Drafted players get beat out by UDFAs, FAs and castoffs in NE every year. That’s because the Pats put a lot of effort into securing those players - the difference between a UDFA and most draft picks is slim and hard to predict.

Besides B.B. has recognized that the last few drafts have not yielded superstars so he collected two 1s last year: 1) Michel was the 2nd best back in the last draft, 2) watch the 2018 FBS championship game and isolate on Wynn to see a future all-pro OL bury or neutralize every Alabama D/L, LB, DE.

 

[long distance]

ATL thoughts on Richards (from Reiss):
Patriots assistants answer the question: Why get into coaching?


What are the Falcons saying about their acquisition of former Patriots safety Jordan Richards, whom they acquired for a conditional 2020 seventh-round pick?

• GM Thomas Dimitroff: "We've been really honed in on that No. 2 safety spot through the whole offseason and into camps. We just felt that Jordan was a guy that fit in well for us. He's a tough dude that can step up in there and be a strong safety-type for us. He's a smart guy who has good versatility to us. He is a very urgent type of football player as well. We obviously have a good working relationship with New England, and it was right and fairly easy navigation through that trade. We're happy to have him here."
  
  
• Head coach Dan Quinn: "I think he'll have a big role on [special] teams, too, knowing that's been part of what he's done in his past. We actually worked him out when he was coming out from Stanford. We've known about him, followed him, and now we're excited to have him on board.''
  

 

[long distance]

Dante's view on Wynn (for the bust crowd) by Reiss:
Patriots assistants answer the question: Why get into coaching?


Top Patriots draft pick Isaiah Wynn (first round, No. 23) is out for the season with a torn Achilles, which is a disappointment as he was making a charge to carve out a meaningful role. Scarnecchia, the team’s offensive line coach, said: “It was all very favorable. He was still nursing his shoulder and was on a limited play count, but the guy is tough as hell. Explosive. We still believe he has a bright future. He's going to heal up really good, and we're going to look forward to him being out there next spring in OTAs."

 

[Ring 6]

On paper you are right.

I don't know how "straight forward" it is to just cut exactly at the moment as is necessary. Maybe they cut him to have additional spots for potential waiver claims. I know that timing wise they should be able to do it anyway (first end in the cut as a transaction and then immediately after that the claim..) but I guess as with most bureaucracies there are some details or inefficiencies.

Long story short. It would be the most shocking preseason move this year if the Bolden cut was anything but temporary.

I get that but it still doesn’t support making up a reason.
Again why not keep bolden as the 53rd then make him the corresponding cut to an acquisition. Then sort it out later. Flexibility that isn’t necessary is being used as a reason to argue he was cut for flexibility.
I’m not saying he won’t be back, just that the reason being used makes no sense. “I don’t know any reason why but it must be so” is not a good argument.
In any event we should know before too long.

 

[Family]

I get that but it still doesn’t support making up a reason.
Again why not keep bolden as the 53rd then make him the corresponding cut to an acquisition. Then sort it out later. Flexibility that isn’t necessary is being used as a reason to argue he was cut for flexibility.
I’m not saying he won’t be back, just that the reason being used makes no sense. “I don’t know any reason why but it must be so” is not a good argument.
In any event we should know before too long.

I can't figure this out either.

Why cut Bolden to get to 52? Nobody anywhere has offered an explanation.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

This stat is heavily skewed by the age of both Brady & Hoyer, but it izz what it izz.

Outliers skew the results. They ought to drop the 5 youngest and 5 oldest and see what the results are. Pats QB position alone ( 32 and 41 years old) probably adds .5 years to overall team age compared to teams with rookie QBs..
Pats have 9 guys with 9 or more years experience ( combined 101 years of service- average 11.2 years) and roughly 44 guys on the roster 185 years experience- ( average 4.2 years experience) FWIW

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is one big, overlooked reason the Hannable argument is disingenuous. Drafted players get beat out by UDFAs, FAs and castoffs in NE every year. That’s because the Pats put a lot of effort into securing those players - the difference between a UDFA and most draft picks is slim and hard to predict.

Besides B.B. has recognized that the last few drafts have not yielded superstars so he collected two 1s last year: 1) Michel was the 2nd best back in the last draft, 2) watch the 2018 FBS championship game and isolate on Wynn to see a future all-pro OL bury or neutralize every Alabama D/L, LB, DE.

Yep.

The other thing the draft bashers on this board don't account is the draft is low percentage. I'll need to dig up the link but the article from 2016 tracked all players drafted in the last 30 years and tracked the % were on NFL rosters for 5 years

1st was 50%
2nd was 20%
3rd was 15%
4 thru 7th was single digits

No question BB has had it rough in the 2rd but it's not like all the other teams are kicking ass.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can't figure this out either.

Why cut Bolden to get to 52? Nobody anywhere has offered an explanation.

Because there are better players than Bolden who are currently out of work

 

[Ring 6]

Yep.

The other thing the draft bashers on this board don't account is the draft is low percentage. I'll need to dig up the link but the article from 2016 tracked all players drafted in the last 30 years and tracked the % were on NFL rosters for 5 years

1st was 50%
2nd was 20%
3rd was 15%
4 thru 7th was single digits

No question BB has had it rough in the 2rd but it's not like all the other teams are kicking ass.

The drafted players who don’t make it are getting beaten out by someone else you acquired by some means. Somehow people want to make it out that having too many good players for your draft picks to always earn a role is a bad thing.
Ultimately it’s about winning.
I’ll take winning with draft pick criticism over losing with a supposed great draft record.

 

[Ring 6]

Because there are better players than Bolden who are currently out of work

Many people doubt that if the definition of better is useful to the patriots.

 

[captain stone]

Where is the expected post about BB not knowing about how to draft??

Ask and ye shall receive...

Sony the Shiny, Damaged Goods Toy Michelle says hello

The Invisible, Slow Little Duke (but Not of Dorchester) Dawson also says hello

80 draft picks without Billy taking even ONE of them all say hello

Christian Sam & Thanksdad Izzo say hello with the Foxborough Flu

Banana Barrio says hello

Danny nyEtling says goodbye while throwing another INT

Keion Crossedup says Whew

And you're ok with that pile of crap?

 

[ivanvamp]

Outliers skew the results. They ought to drop the 5 youngest and 5 oldest and see what the results are. Pats QB position alone ( 32 and 41 years old) probably adds .5 years to overall team age compared to teams with rookie QBs..
Pats have 9 guys with 9 or more years experience ( combined 101 years of service- average 11.2 years) and roughly 44 guys on the roster 185 years experience- ( average 4.2 years experience) FWIW

Replace Brady with a 26 year old and that one love drops them 0.3 years on average. Given that the difference between oldest and youngest teams is just 1.6 years, that one move alone would probably put them near the middle of the pack.

 

[Love The Drake]

Ask and ye shall receive...

Sony the Shiny, Damaged Goods Toy Michelle says hello

The Invisible, Slow Little Duke (but Not of Dorchester) Dawson also says hello

80 draft picks without Billy taking even ONE of them all say hello

Christian Sam & Thanksdad Izzo say hello with the Foxborough Flu

Banana Barrio says hello

Danny nyEtling says goodbye while throwing another INT

Keion Crossedup says Whew

And you're ok with that pile of crap?

Michel could be a top 5 back in the NFL not willing to close the book on him or my Fantasy football teams.