Aaron Schatz on Moss trade

[Buchanty]

The Moss trade reminds of when two of your good friends, who are married, get a divorce. Your first reaction is what a shame, can't the two of them repair the situation. Then when reconciliation is impossible and the break happens you are pressured into taking sides. The problem is that you like them both and recognize that it take two to tango and two to break up. Neither one of them was solely responsible for the break up but that's where it ends. It is possible however not to take sides and continue to be good friends.

I see the same with Moss and understand the polarization that is evident in some of the comments from team members, coaches and the media. Many have taken sides and of course their perspective is supportive of their choice and critical to the point of exaggeration of the non-selected party. I still support Bill for his decision, but I also support Randy for his, a decision made more acute by the potential of a strike year ahead. The marriage between the two has come to an end sadly, but there are new opportunities for both ahead.

I don't blame Troy and Teddy for their perspectives, and I condone Vince, Tully and Tom for their strong declaration of support for Randy. It is just like the divorced couple where some of your friends take different sides, there is nothing wrong with that, though personally I hate to lose a friend unnecessarily.


Having gone through divorce I remember the extreme discomfort of being in the wrong place with the wrong person. It is better for both that they move on. We have the memories of the good times, and I am so happy my teenage sons have witnessed one of the magic QB/WR tandems of all time.

 

[emoney_33]

Belichick didn't want a second rounder for Seymour. Reports are that is what the Raiders offered and he rejected it. Belichick wanted the first in 2011 probably because it was a safe bet it would be a top 5 pick also there is a good chance there will be a rookie cap.

As for other disciplinary actions, Belichick couldn't do what he did to Terry Glenn. The CBA extension signed in 2006 limited actions of what you can do to discipline players and it is very hard to supsend or even bench a player based on disciplinary actions. He could never suspend him for the season like he did with Glenn because the rules don't allow it anymore.

You keep talking about a combination of factors, but never elaborate on it.

I've elaborated countless times. You ignore it and go back to a lazy single answer of Moss being a "problem". 2 TE sets, ball-control, young team, mutual respect and conversations between the 2 regarding his situation, decision that he wasn't going to be here next year, and other stuff we will never know. I'm not employed by the Patriots, how exactly can I elaborate on details? It is YOU who is calling BB a liar, not me.

They are consistent. None of us other than Bruschi, Harrison, Troy, or Schatz know who the sources are or have any clue how reliable they are.

Right, and you assume they are reliable because it fits your anti-Moss bias.

They all denied problems with Thomas before and no one talks about him now.

So really you don't have any quotes similar to the ones in support of Moss so you just sweep it under the rug.

Please give a plausible explaination that goes beyonf Belichick and Moss talked a lot and there are a combination of factors.

Well I can't possibly give you a plausible explanation because you shut your eyes and ears after you determine the reason was in the locker room. I've given multiple factors, and freely admit I cannot possibly know close to everything that went into it. I believe BB when he says there were a combination of factors. He has no reason to throw that in there if it was ONLY lockerroom problems he would have danced around it.

Again, Moss is being defended by EVERYONE including BB. Guys like AD, who actually did clash with the coach, never got such glowing words upon departure.

 

[emoney_33]

You forgot 2 important words:

Moss has not done a single thing on camera that can be considered selfish to his teammates aside from the PC after cincy.

Neither you nor I know how he behaved in closed practices, team meeetings, the locker room, film sessions, etc. It's guesswork on your part (and mine) unless we have direct info from players, coaches, or staff. I would guess, however, that people like Troy Brown have direct access to players, coaches, or staff speaking with him "off the record". That isn't a big reach to think that Troy has good info.

Right we don't know a damn thing about off camera stuff, not from Moss not from Brady not from BB. Yet we should believe the media and accuse the players and coach of lying. What a weird world.

 

[emoney_33]

There are still plenty of players who are still on the team who were there with Brown who have not contradicted his story. Brady, Welker (who confirmed Moss asked for a trade and not much else), Koppen, Kazcur, Faulk, Merriweather, Morris, Wright, Sanders, Tully Banta Cain, and Gostkowski all played with Brown and none of them contradicted what Brown has said.

LOL you are reaching so much that you are using absence of evidence as evidence of absence. Listing guys who did NOT refute what the media said can be done for everything the media says, including taping the rams walkthrough.

Troy never claimed Moss was a problem in the locker room. He only spoke of the plane incident. He said Moss was a model teammate when he was there (he trashed Reche Caldwell, not Moss) and he doesn't know what went on this year beyond the plane incident.

The plane incident, the same one that BB calls a fabrication and that he never spoke to Moss. Of course to you it's impossible that one "source" maybe overheard something wrong?

Or hell, maybe a player told another player or Troy that "Yeah Bill came to talk to moss but Moss didn't answer him". That player was speaking of O'Brien and when it got back to Troy it was interpreted as Belichick. Things like that are just IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[Teenuh]

Another bull**** article. But of course there are so many idiots on here who take the mediots for real.

This. :rocker: People will believe anything the media says but they think their own players are liars. :lol2:

 

[captain stone]

This. :rocker: People will believe anything the media says but they think their own players are liars. :lol2:

When players, coaches, management & owners speak in public, on the record, they lie.

If you really believed that Bill the rest of the Pats were going to say anything different from what they said, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Right we don't know a damn thing about off camera stuff, not from Moss not from Brady not from BB. Yet we should believe the media and accuse the. What a weird world.

I am most certainly NOT saying that the players and the coach are lying. It would certainly be surprising if they were volunteering the whole truth, though. Halloween is coming and there is NOTHING for them to gain by trashing Randy Moss in the slightest way.

Get it?

Why in the world would BB decide this is in the best interest of the franchise to pull the biggest in-season trade of his coaching career if everything were hunky-dory and Randy was everyones's best buddy? And don't give me "the offense is changing". That's weak. A happy and behaving Moss would not be given up so easily.

 

[emoney_33]

Nobody with any credibility is saying that the players and the coach are lying. It would certainly be surprising if they were volunteering the whole truth, though. Halloween is coming and there is NOTHING for them to gain by trashing Randy Moss in the slightest way.

Get it?

Why would BB go to the media and defend Moss? I'm not saying he would talk negatively about a player, he never does that, but there's a difference between his normal generic praise dancing around questions and the things he said about Moss.

I mean is this something that BB generally says about all players he lets go or trades?

"We wish Randy the absolute best. But he has been a guy I've always, as a player, I had a good relationship with. He has always been very honest. I have asked him questions about football, personnel and stuff like that, and he has been very helpful to me personally. (He's) been very professional, a good teammate and a good, contributing member of this team," Belichick said.

Or do you think he's being dishonest here...

"There was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy. There never has been one with me in four years. And it certainly wasn’t about contract and money. I think Randy showed and proved the first year he was here what that was all about. What he did with his contract made the whole deal work," Belichick said.

Why in the world would BB decide this is in the best interest of the franchise to pull the biggest in-season trade of his coaching career if everything were hunky-dory and Randy was everyones's best buddy?

Various reasons discussed throughout multiple threads including but not limited to the shift in offensive strategy and Moss not being here after this year. I also will not pretend to know close to everything that BB knows so I'm sure there's much more to it.