Aaron Hernandez VS Jimmy Graham

[Haley]

you homers remind me of all the north Koreans on tv mourning Kim Jong il

/me wonders why obvious troll is still not banned.

And did you really need to triple post? I mean c'mon man, use the multiquote fgs. It really junks up the page when my ignore has to fire 3 times in a row.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

I think the main thing about Graham is that he's had more opportunity than Hernandez. If Aaron was the #1 TE of the Pats or Saints and if he played in as many games as Graham, the production would be about the same.

 

[JackBauer]

At least I know what a euphemism is

So what you're saying is that you suffer from very low self-esteem. Gotcha.

 

[Haley]

I think the main thing about Graham is that he's had more opportunity than Hernandez. If Aaron was the #1 TE of the Pats or Saints and if he played in as many games as Graham, the production would be about the same.

Yeah, definitely. Graham isn't sharing time with Gronk. Plus our TEs are so young.

Those who took Graham, did you consider age as a factor over the long haul? 3 years is pretty significant, imo.

 

[IllegalContact]

So what you're saying is that you suffer from very low self-esteem. Gotcha.

LOL...... Good to know? Like that all it takes to keep you wound up like the energizer bunny.......man you put a lot of time into this....... My opinion must really matter to you.....otherwise, you would have gotten out of dodge a long time ago......

But nice act anyway.......

Edit: make up your mind on what you have to say.......you're starting to sound nervous

 

[JackBauer]

LOL...... Good to know? Like that all it takes to keep you wound up like the energizer bunny.......man you put a lot of time into this....... My opinion must really matter to you.....otherwise, you would have gotten out of dodge a long time ago......

But nice act anyway.......

Edit: make up your mind on what you have to say.......you're starting to sound nervous

It's a slow day at work and I enjoy the yeoman's work of exposing obvious trolls. Boom!

 

[IllegalContact]

Yeah, definitely. Graham isn't sharing time with Gronk. Plus our TEs are so young.

Those who took Graham, did you consider age as a factor over the long haul? 3 years is pretty significant, imo.

But he is sharing time with a WR group that puts the pats to shame......plus Darren sproles

 

[IllegalContact]

/me wonders why obvious troll is still not banned.

And did you really need to triple post? I mean c'mon man, use the multiquote fgs. It really junks up the page when my ignore has to fire 3 times in a row.

'me wonders'

LMFAO........people stopped with the 'me thinks' crap somewhere around y2k

 

[IllegalContact]

It's a slow day at work and I enjoy the yeoman's work of exposing obvious trolls. Boom!

Oh geez ..... You've never used that line before.....

Quit the act.....you lack the intellect

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

But he is sharing time with a WR group that puts the pats to shame......plus Darren sproles

No sure if serious?

 

[JackBauer]

Oh geez ..... You've never used that line before.....

Quit the act.....you lack the intellect

At least I know what a euphemism is.

 

[jan08]

Just read one page of this nonsense and it reminded me of:

Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl - Argument Clinic - YouTube

 

[IllegalContact]

At least I know what a euphemism is.

Yup.....right on

 

[Rob0729]

Ok......I have to stomp on this uninformed post. Gronkowski is 6'6"/265 and graham Is 6'6"/260, and that 5lbs makes him more like Hernandez? WRONG

next, graham runs shorter routes....he caught a higher percentage of balls thrown less than 10 yard......he has also caught more balls thrown over 20 yards than gronk.....gronk has more intermediate catches.

Now I personally believe that gronk is a better TE, but not for the ignorant reasons you post in your typical homer fashion......

Please.......learn what a FACT is

I do know what a fact is. It is the exact opposite of anything you have posted on this board since day one.

Where is your data about number of catches at different levels. Gronk has more passing plays of over 20 yards than Graham and that is a fact.

BTW, I will go back to ignoring you and watching you peiss everyone off enough that it will earn you a permanent ban.

It is becoming clearer and clearer that you are not a fan, but more of an instigator.

 

[ProudestRyno]

I agree but for the sake of being devil's advocate, a good part of the analysis needs to factor in the type of routes both TEs run. We all know that Gronk can make the tough catch and react to a not-so-perfect ball. To me, tt seems that every time I see Graham make a catch, he seems to be 10-15 yards downfield which can be assumed that he is running longer routes than Gronk. I'm not saying he is, just seems that way.

We can agree that both Brady and Brees are equal in terms of being accurate QBs with Brees having a slightly better year in that particular area (but not much!)

Brees isn't as accurate as people think. He pads his completion percentage by dumping off to RBs FAR more than most QBs. Brees dumps to a RB about 5 ft away 35% of the time. Obviously these passes are much easier to complete.... It's an unbelievably high percentage and is a clear reason why his completion percentage is high. To put that into perspective, Brady dumps to his RB about 10% of the time...

 

[ProudestRyno]

'me wonders'

LMFAO........people stopped with the 'me thinks' crap somewhere around y2k

Give it up. Your attempts at insults are laughable and that's being polite about it. He was clearly being condescending in his "me thinks" routine toward the joke that you are. I'd be willing to bet it's not his regular choice of words. But sometimes, unfortunately, being condescending and laughing about it is the best way to deal with idiots like you.

Just go away.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They are two different types of TEs. Graham, like Hernandez, is more in the Tony Gonzalez mold of a WR in a TE body. That is why he runs longer routes.

The thing is. Even with Graham running deeper routes, Gronk has more yards per catch (15.2 vs. 13.5) and more catches for more than 20 yards (19 vs. 17), and more catches for more than 40 yards (3 vs. 2). And the key stat is that Gronk has more TDs (15 vs. 9).

I guess that I don't watch enough Saints game to know how much YAC Graham gets, but that is one of the things that makes Gronk easily the best TE in the game and it really isn't debatable. Gronk does run shorter routes than Graham, but he has more yards per carry and more big plays because they guy is impossible to bring down.

I look at Gronk and he is a match up nightmare that is unique to the NFL. There isn't a receiver harder to bring down after he catches the ball than Gronk. We have seen two and even three guys trying to tackle him at once and see them basically bounce of him.

Agreed. Graham and Gronk are two totally different TEs style-wise despite the similarity in size. I liken them to basketball players who are 6'11 260. Some are bangers in the paint. Some are perimeter shooters.

 

[Rob0729]

Agreed. Graham and Gronk are two totally different TEs style-wise despite the similarity in size. I liken them to basketball players who are 6'11 260. Some are bangers in the paint. Some are perimeter shooters.

Yeah, eventhough they are basically the same height and weight, their builds are different. I guess it is because Graham has a basketball background (he was a two sport player in Miami and played Forward for them), he is just faster and agile. Gronkowski is more powerful and tough. Gonzalez was a basketball player in college too. I guess that is why Grraham's style is closer to his than Gronk.

Not all TEs are built the same even if they are the same height and weight.

 

[rojo8401]

It's because many people are not secure in their opinions, and can't handle when other people disagree with them. Rarely does anyone deviate from their original point, and often they will do anything to make it seem like what they said was correct.

At some point, it makes sense to learn how to state your opinion and move on, instead of getting sucked into a useless, circular argument with someone who is never going to change their mind.

Amen.

And for those keeping score it's usually the same 5-6 people doing it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brees isn't as accurate as people think. He pads his completion percentage by dumping off to RBs FAR more than most QBs. Brees dumps to a RB about 5 ft away 35% of the time. Obviously these passes are much easier to complete.... It's an unbelievably high percentage and is a clear reason why his completion percentage is high. To put that into perspective, Brady dumps to his RB about 10% of the time...

I don't agree. Some coaches will argue that throwing to a RB is harder as you need to put more touch on the ball and the receivers aren't as fluid as WRs and TEs. You are also dealing with a shorter time of processing the read of the D.

In 2005, of Brees 338 completions, 77% went to WRs or TEs. His completion % was just under 65%.

In their SB year, 72% went to WR/TE and his comp % was 70%

In 1989, Joe Montana had 339 and a comp % of 70.2 completions and 41% of the passes went to RBs and if you look at his year-by-year numbers, that % is pretty consistent. He is also regarded as one of the most accurate QBs ever. Timing, location, touch, etc. Different eras but still..

To say that Brees' accuracy is overrated is unfounded. He is incredibly accurate passer period.