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A trio of possible sliders due to various issues at DT

Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by patsfaninpa, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Would you trade up for any of these guys if they slip to around 20? Last year I thought
    Derwin James was gonna slide. I badly wanted to move up for him on night 1 of draft.
    I think 2/3 of these will slide.

    1. Jeffrey Simmons - DT - Miss St - Punched his girl-friend in high school. Not invited to combine because of it.

    2. D. Lawrence - NG - Clemson - Suspended for NCAA Playoffs. Marijuana?? Could slide all the way to 32.

    3. Ed Oliver - DT - Houston - Some really, really like him. Others think he's a bit over-rated and not a Top 10 prospect. I'd be real interested in moving up for him if he falls to late teens.
     

  2. jboston19

    jboston19 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    If Simmons gets passed scummy teams that have no issues with domestic abusers like the Bengals, Ravens, and Chiefs, his issues are severe.

    I think Lawrence has been sliding from what I’ve heard. I’m not sure if he’d require a trade up.

    Oliver would be fun. I think he’ll go higher than an area if feel comfortable trading to price wise.

    Greg Gaines as a massive run stuffer and Albert Huggins, Lawrence’s teammate at Clemson, are interesting big bodies later on in the draft.
     
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    patsbrasilpatriotas Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    1. NEVER. Hit a woman is a no for me
    2. No
    3. No

    Wilkins yes
     
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    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I don't think that she was his girlfriend. His family member got in a fight and he intervened. He made the poor decision to keep hitting the attacker while she was down. I'd defend a family member, too, although the size difference makes it look pretty bad. But this was when he was in high school, he's apologized, and he's been a model citizen since then. I'd still take him on this team, although I'm sure he'll be drafted top 10 / 15.

    Lawrence is a big body, but he's not a Wilfork. He's an athletic slanter / penetrator. He may have better lateral agility than Shelton, but I don't know if he's an entire tier above.

    Oliver is prone to the same issues as Donald. Incredible one-gap player. Small, though, and can be had against the run. I don't think he fits here, but he should be a very good player somewhere.
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Supposedly Lawrence failed for PED not bud.

    Out of the 3 I think Simmons might be the best fit but I doubt New England drafts the player.

    Unless you really believe Lawrence is a game changer as a pass rusher Im not trading up.

    I'd be very tempted if Oliver fell around 20 but not 100%
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Oliver>Lawrence>Simmons

    No shot Simmons gets picked by NE with the domestic abuse background

    Personally love Lawrence, but Oliver to me on talent alone is worthy of the top pick, think he may be a cancer however

    Only DTs I expect back in '19 is Guy and Butler, but would welcome back Brown for sure for cheap
     
  7. Snooky97

    Snooky97 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Ed Oliver - he has the toolset to be Donald.

    I’d be surprised if he fell though, if he does it’s because of his weight.

    His tape is unbelievable, beats two blockers with ease at time with his speed to power. Violent hands.

    He’s good in the run game as well. If he fell to 20 mark I’d be happy with trading up to get him.

    He’s a pro bowl type of guy in his first season and more than likely all pro too.

    His combine will be important for him to see how he runs, his functional strength as well as his weight. He is a game changer on that D-line
     
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    Ochmed Jones Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Oliver is a pure 1 gap DT. At 280 pounds, he is kind of small for an interior lineman.

    Simmons was a beast in the sec, but again is a 1 Gapper. The incident from high school is troubling, but his time in Starkville has been clean.

    Lawrence is the best two gapper and run stuffer of the bunch. But if you watch enough tape, you see him get pushed around and worse yet, turned around. In the 2017 semi final game against Alabama, he was physically dominated. Very bad tape.
     

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