DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION A tale of a draft SQUANDERED....

[hellolin]

Someone made this comment a month earlier than today about a video of Mallet's highlight video of his college career, the link of that video is
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

here is the quote:
"@DirtyFaceCapon3

After looking at these highlights, Ive come to the conclusion that if Mallet gets drafted to a team with a good QB coach, he could be the best QB from this draft. Mallet may not be fast, but he has some mobility to him. As long as he can side step pressure he should be okay. I like his touch on deep throws, reminds me T.Brady. I like how he throws on the run, and his height gives him good field vision. Hes deadly on P.A fakes and has some serious zip on his throws.

YBRR88"
Another one
"Just watched some Blaine Gabbert highlights, Mallet looks like Dan Marino compared to that guy

DirtyFaceCapon3"

Look like someone finally had the same thoughts as BB

 

[ATippett56]

Yes there are UDFAs that end up working out, but for every one that works out there are 10-20 that don't.

Tell that to Danny Woodhead and Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis. Oops you failed on that one!

But guess what, the guard position has just as good of a chance to be filled by a UDA as does the RB position.

A starting offensive guard is far more important than a running back who will be fourth on the depth chart.

All you have to do is start naming off of the interior lineman the Pats have coached up that were originally UDFA.

Connolly does not fit the bill.

Plus the starting guard position can be filled by a veteran in FA (which would be preferential to drafting and hoping a 3rd rounder and hoping he works out).

There exists a financial constraint called the salary cap.

The same goes for OLB and DE (although they already grabbed Stroud to be a DE).

Considering how bad the Buffalo Bills defense was last year, if Stroud was that good the Buffalo Bills would have re-signed him.

Oh god, not another poster who believes everything that draft sites say. Guess what though, you need to reread that link you posted. They mention Vollmer to be projected between rounds 3-4 and not late 3rd at the latest as you mentioned. So get your facts straight before trying to make a point. (Btw I'd love to see your reaction to the Vollmer pick form that draft...99.9% guaranteed that you overreacted and made a similar reach, bad pick comments about that one too).

These people know a heck of alot more about collegiate football players than you.

But how about we forget what all of these draft "experts" and you think because your opinions mean jack since I don't see BB or any other team asking for your opinion or their opinion on what they should do.

Belichick is not infallible; the New England Patriots 2006 NFL Draft is a prime example.

All that matters is that the Pats were comfortable taking Vollmer in the 2nd and Ridley in the 3rd.

The New England Patriots could have selected Ridley with one of their fifth round draft picks while selecting an offensive guard in the third round, a position of dire need. That is the concept of draft value.

In both cases, the team decided that it was more important to "reach" for a player instead of trying to wait to grab him with their next pick (3rd round for Vollmer and 5th for Ridley) because who knows if someone else was also high on one of them. Guess what, they were right about Vollmer and the jury is out about Ridley since he hasn't played a down.

Vollmer was hardly a reach when compared to Ridley.

 

[stcjones]

No ****. Thats what I said.



Mallet absolutely makes sense Deus. He's one of the better QBs in the draft, he fell pretty far, and we have a QB who will turn 35 this year. Its time to start thinking about it.

You are 100% right....Even tho NONE of us want to think about it...Brady is not immortal and has at best 4 years left.....Mallett is the best QB prospect this year and arguably,one of the best physical/mental talents to come out in the past few years. Most of the analysts compared him to BRADY yesterday in regards to INTELLIGENCE and pocket awareness.....His ARM is much stronger than Brady.....but both have unreal accuracy. And yes.....neither one can move out of the pocket very well. How is Bledsoe similiar to Mallett....Big, no mobility, huge ARM. Mallett is like Bledsoe with football Smarts....not a bad thing.

 

[stcjones]

thats deus.

He thinks if he yells loud enough, it makes him right.

lol........

 

[zoostation]

yawwwwwwwwn.......

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Then I guess you completely miss the concept of draft value.

Love these talking points. They get rolled out when trying to explain why the Patriots rountinely pass on higher quality players.

Belichick's draft value system = quantity over quality

 

[Urgent]

OK this is where you are clueless. Moss and Welker were draft choices. So was Dillon...damn....

Apologies. Tried to make clear that the discussion was on selecting players with the draft, rather than veterans. I believe Moss, Welker, and Dillon had all played in the league and were trades, using draft picks as compensation.

 

[RodThePat]

PFK is one of this site's most unabashed homers. If his posting is too negative for you, you must be married to Belichick. So, if he's not happy with the draft, it's not about Chicken Little.

"A draft that was SQUANDERED.....perhaps the beginning of the end?"

This is the definition of chicken little, and I am unhappy with the draft as well.

 

[bucky]

For what?
You do realize Atlanta gave 2 1s, 2 2s and a 4 right?
How is a 1, 2 and 3 better than that?

Andy,

in the weeks leading up to the draft, I'd made many comments about the Patriots moving up to 6 and I know that 17+28 is equal value based on the chart. I'm throwing 33+92 out there instead of 28 because (a) it provides more value on the chart, and (b) assuming the draft is so weak, we'd prefer to stay at 28 than 33 and 92. Obviously, Atlanta being at 27 had to give up a #1 next year to get so high.

As I mentioned in another post though, I'm not sure Julio Jones or any of the DE/OLB conversion guys were worth such a move up.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I also consider myself a homer, but one that occasionally applies reason where appropriate.

I firmly believe that because of the lockout and uncertainty with free-agency, BB needed to shore up key areas on this roster. I go back to what I have said over the past couple of years.

-This team needs to develop the next LT because Light is a FA and is old- check

-This team needs to find a rock solid CB next to Bodden- Well, they did in DMc but now Bodden (who should be fine by TC) is questionable. - check

-This team needs to develop a credible running game that defenses will respect and you need talented players to fortify that offensive approach- check

-This team needs to develop a QB that has top-end talent and can replace Brady after 2014ish- check?? (here is to hoping...)

-This team needs a top-end pass rush that comes from the D-line or OLB positions. NO.

So was this draft squandered? Absolutely not.

My .02$

 

[Urgent]

Yes there are UDFAs that end up working out, but for every one that works out there are 10-20 that don't.

Tell that to Danny Woodhead and Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis. Oops you failed on that one!

Well, that's the point of probability. That's like saying: "It only rains once a week here." "Oh, yeah, tell that to last Tuesday and the Thursday before that. Oops, you failed on that one!"

Quinton Smith
Kenny Catthouse
Omar Cuff
Pat Paschall
To name a couple Patriots udfa RB's over the past couple drafts.

udfa OLB's, by the way, the past couple years:

Jermail Porter
Keith Saunders
Kyle Bissinger

 

[Urgent]

Second they obviously didnt like this DE or OLB class at the top or the guys they did like were gone or they couldnt trade up. Again these guys have detailed scouting reports, they work guys evaluate based on whats there already. Personally i think BB likes what he has in the young DL's like Love, Brace and Deaderick and new guys like Stroud and Moore. OLB i will admit is thin but theres tomorrow and FA. BB said in his presser that 2012 looks a much deeper class

This is a solid point. The Pats obviously didn't like this DE or OLB class.
By passing up opportunities to move up a couple spots for Quinn or Kerrigan, and passing on Cam Jordan, Wilkerson, Reed, Houston, etc., they showed that they didn't think any of those guys fit their system.

And last year, when the Pats passed on Jerry Hughes, Everson Griffin, Sergio Kindle, Carlos Dunlap, Koa Misi, and Ricky Sapp, and Jared Odrick, Corey Wooton, and other DE's, the same point was made.

And in 2009, when they passed on Everette Brown, Conner Barwin, and Clay Matthews.
And in 2008 when they passed on Cliff Avril, Philip Merling, Quentin Groves, and so forth.
And in 2007 when they passed on Anthony Spencer, Lamar Woodley, Tim Crowder, and so forth.
And in 2006, when they passed on Manny Lawson, Mathias Kiwanuka, Chris Gocong, and so forth.

Each one a good argument.

The counter is that many 3-4 teams have found players there, or have traded up for other options.

 

[mrscruff]

Stevan Ridley was rated no higher than a low fifth round draft pick by NFL Draft Scout and was rated a sixth round draft pick by Mike Mayock.

The CBSdraftScout site reckons that the NFL advisory committee gave Ridley a third round grade.

Stevan Ridley, LSU, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Not that it matters now, I guess.
He's part of the RB platoon it seems for the foreseeable future and good luck to him.

 

[fair catch fryar]

This is a solid point. The Pats obviously didn't like this DE or OLB class.
By passing up opportunities to move up a couple spots for Quinn or Kerrigan, and passing on Cam Jordan, Wilkerson, Reed, Houston, etc., they showed that they didn't think any of those guys fit their system.

And last year, when the Pats passed on Jerry Hughes, Everson Griffin, Sergio Kindle, Carlos Dunlap, Koa Misi, and Ricky Sapp, and Jared Odrick, Corey Wooton, and other DE's, the same point was made.

And in 2009, when they passed on Everette Brown, Conner Barwin, and Clay Matthews.
And in 2008 when they passed on Cliff Avril, Philip Merling, Quentin Groves, and so forth.
And in 2007 when they passed on Anthony Spencer, Lamar Woodley, Tim Crowder, and so forth.
And in 2006, when they passed on Manny Lawson, Mathias Kiwanuka, Chris Gocong, and so forth.

Each one a good argument.

The counter is that many 3-4 teams have found players there, or have traded up for other options.

In BB I still trust, but this post is precisely the reason why I am really scratching my head on this one. It could've been a ploy, but BB was even quoted even more than once how this year was exceptional for depth at front 7 quality. Unless there is a diamond in rounds 4-7 that BB knows about I have to stop accepting excuses about why he won't draft a legitimate "stud" pass-rusher.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

You're poaching my material.

Wait, sorry, you're serious.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Mallet makes absolutely no sense at all.

Bear in mind, I'm rationalizing this a bit as well, but assuming Belichick has not lost his mind, here's what I assume he's thinking:

The only thing preventing Mallet from being a 1st round draft choice are the character issues.

Assuming this kid has some drive and wants to make some money, he's presented with the opportunity of a lifetime to straighten up and fly right with the Patriots.

The guy doesn't even need to play - if he behaves he could well be worth a 1st round draft choice via trade.

Trading #74 for a first round draft pick is something that might be considered "value" by Belichick.

 

[letekro]

PFK is one of this site's most unabashed *WINDBAGS*. If his posting is too negative for you, you must be married to Belichick. So, if he's not happy with the draft, it's not about Chicken Little.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[patsox23]

Wow. Patfanken, I find this post shocking in its lack of vision and woe-is-me-ness. I'm not a huge fan of it, but BB clearly wasn't a huge fan of this draft class. The idea of taking a top 20-rated talent in the 3rd round of a DRAFT YOU DON'T LIKE seems like a no-brainer to me.

I think you should take a breath. It's gonna be okay.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

How about you wait until they get on the field...?

 

[reflexblue]

This is a solid point. The Pats obviously didn't like this DE or OLB class.
By passing up opportunities to move up a couple spots for Quinn or Kerrigan, and passing on Cam Jordan, Wilkerson, Reed, Houston, etc., they showed that they didn't think any of those guys fit their system.

And last year, when the Pats passed on Jerry Hughes, Everson Griffin, Sergio Kindle, Carlos Dunlap, Koa Misi, and Ricky Sapp, and Jared Odrick, Corey Wooton, and other DE's, the same point was made.

And in 2009, when they passed on Everette Brown, Conner Barwin, and Clay Matthews.
And in 2008 when they passed on Cliff Avril, Philip Merling, Quentin Groves, and so forth.
And in 2007 when they passed on Anthony Spencer, Lamar Woodley, Tim Crowder, and so forth.
And in 2006, when they passed on Manny Lawson, Mathias Kiwanuka, Chris Gocong, and so forth.

Each one a good argument.

The counter is that many 3-4 teams have found players there, or have traded up for other options.

Great post this puts it perspective. I would like to see all the DB's we've taken in the same time frame. If finding prospects for the D-Line and OLB are so hard to find for this system now a days maybe the system needs to be tweaked. The Pats as far as i know are the only team that uses this 3-4 read and react defense. GB, NO, SD, Dallas, and the Rats all use a variant of the 3-4 and ALL are very effective, GB and NO have won the last Two SB's obviously. Is BB being to stubborn? It wouldn't be the first time a great coach has been