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5 weeks into FA season, Pats' approach still makes no sense

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Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

My concern about this whole thread is......Where is Deus's Chicken Little character post?

Well, because things had been so slow and I considered it a troll post rather than a Chicken Little situation, I went along for the ride. But, you're right, so......
 
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I think what some are pointing out is that ramon doesn't seem to realize we haven't hit the draft yet as he's making his criticisms.

Some potential trades that you mentioned wouldn't - in fact couldn't - happen until draft day.

Take Brandon Marshall. As of now no one is biting on him. His trade value could drop and any number of teams - including the Patriots - could have an agreement in principle with the Broncos to consumate a trade either for a 1st round pick or, seeing as demand for Marshall is lower, a 2nd round pick.

If you're Denver you don't want to announce that trade until the trading team is on the clock.

I'm not saying BB has it all orchestrated but I think he is prepared to make more, very signficant moves and trades and a lot of people are going to be chagrined for thinking he was asleep at the wheel.

That being said, BB has made mistakes, and the Reche Caldwell era is one in particular that comes to mind.

Good post. But for all of his drops at the wrong time, Caldwell still had a respectable 61 catches and 4 TDs in only 14 starts with the Patriots in 06. If we can get that out of any #3 WR this year I would be ecstatic. Kind of ironic.
DW Toys
 
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ramon + DW Toys = instant skim.

Yeh, what a bunch of idiots. Let's tar and feather them. Especially that DW. How dare he make anyone think, that s.o.b. And can he cause all of us real smart and knowledgeable guys who have all the strait scoop much angst. In fact, let's stone him. Moderator can we get him banned?

ausbacker? ..........and you are?

I am not cool like you so I do not know what "skim" is. Is that like in skim milk?
Sorry I left middle school some years back. I don't live at home with Mom or anything but............. I have a opinion that does not weigh any less than yours....Would you agree?
DW Toys
 
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Matt Jones?!? Why would the Pats want Matt Jones? Even without his drug problem, I don't know why the Pats would want the guy. Add his drug problems and the fact that he sat out the 2009 season because no one wanted him, and even mentioning him is a head scratcher.

Woa! I didn't say that! The poster just asked who Coke Zero is. I think asbrucher wanted him.
DW Toys
 
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Why is everyone so enamored with the Jets offseason - they traded for a cornerback that hasn't done anything in this league in a couple of years - could he peform this year, sure, but I'm sure if the Pats had acquired him everyone would be pointing to the Chargers/Jets game and his lack of tackling as a reason it was a bad move. They got rid of a very good running back that consistently performed and replaced him with a selfish over the hill running back thats played in warm weather for the last 10 years and who's recent playoff performances have consisted of him sitting on the sidelines pouting. I'm looking forward to Tomlinson playing smashmouth football in December in New York - I'm picturing him sitting on the bench with his head down and a coat on to keep him warm.

I certainly think the Jets are going to be a good team this year but the fascination with their offseason seems crazy to me and good luck to them if Shonn Greene goes down because if their running game disappears, Sanchez will be throwing picks everywhere.



you want to complain that the Pats haven't done anything then I have no problem with that, although I like what they've done this offseason. Who else were they expected to sign - the FA market was pathetic this year. They made an offer to Peppers, but what's the point in overpaying for him.

If the Jets or Dolphins had 4 picks in the top 53 we'd all be crying that they've positioned themselves in a deep draft to get 4 solid players... It seems that the Pats can't do anything to please people anymore - if they go out and sign a bunch of veterans everyone complains that there getting old and signing JAGS, if they don't sign JAGS and accumulate draft picks then we complain that their to young and not taking advantage of Brady... This is the reason I hardly visit this board anymore - its not the lack of signings by the Pats - its the constant whinning about everything.

Honestly, I'm not enamored with the Jets offseason at all, but I firmly believe at this point the Jets are a much more talented team than the Pats. The Jets have more or as much talent at every position other than QB. I would say D Line and Safety are close, but I would give the Jets an advantage at every other position. I know Sanchez struggled last year, but he got his team to the playoffs (and managed to beat the Pats once) as a rookie. I would assume he will take at least a step forward this year. How have the Patriots improved??? I am hoping for some pickups with the veteran cuts that will happen later this offseason, but I am not holding my breath. 8-8 is a very realistic prediction for next year.
 
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Those who read this board know that Toys and myself usually find ourselves at opposite ends of most debates, but looking at this one by one, I have to say he has presented several decent proposals. Some, I personally wouldn't love, but certainly they all deserve at least and honest look



This would make sense, though I doubt it will happen because Denver will likely get a better pick than 22, like trading Marshall for Seattle's first round 2nd pick. There is no questioning Marshall's talent. If you make this deal, you do it with the understanding that as he gets older, Marshall could mature. That is the risk, but the reward, even when he HAS been a ****, has been superior production. All our players don't have to be heart warming stories.



I agree. I would love this scenario. IF one of our main objects is to upgrade the DE position for the next 4-5 years. Edwards would make a great pick, over the "POTENTIAL" of any prospect that may be available at 22. My only reservation would be if the Pats FO have determined that his skills don't "fit" in our system.

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This idea has merit, though I wonder if a "pass catching" TE would have great value....IF the Pats vastly upgrade at WR. If they don't, than something like this wouldn't be a bad idea. Olsen is a proven commodity, Pita, McCoy, and Gronk AREN'T



This idea appeals to me. Smith is an absolute gamer. The best WR under 6' in the league. A perfect fit to play opposite Moss, and at this stage of his career mentally prepared to the the 2nd or 3rd option



This is outside the box, but I'm not confident about Brace's development, and Carriker SHOULD be and upgrade. So if that's the cost why not.



I'm no fan of SMoss, and I wonder if Cooley would be effective in this style of offense where the slot WR is getting most of the Patterns that Cooley generally runs. I am also one of the few here that hopes AD is back for another year. IMHO he's one of those players who isn't as good as we hoped, but not as bad as it appears.



Now this is one that I recently was thinking about. He could be a BEAR at DE for us, and the 3 year money is VERY reasonable for a guy with that kind of talent. A second rounder for a pick starved team could be a fair trade, for a former DPOY, who would be playing for his last contract.



OK now we are getting up into fantasy land.



How do we know if he'd be an upgrade over Kaczur. I'm happy with our OL for this year. Don't you have to ask the question, of WHY would the Ravens be shopping a 24 year old quality OLman?????



I'm on the record for being on board if we signed TO, but I think that "reports" about Tate being a "mediocre" WR are way too premature.



What was wrong with ramon post was his tone and the insinuation that all is lost and we are going to hell in a handbasket. Gocong WAS NOT any answer. Wimbley might have been because BB is on record for liking him, but for some reason didn't pull the trigger. You have to ask why, but we don't have the full data for any of these moves. And I'm happy we didn't spend to get Boldin.

The point Toys, is that some people are going chicken little on us, when the reality is that ALL 10 of your propositions could STILL happen. And we know that only one or 2 would satisfy most of us. Its just TOO early to even BEGIN to project a good or bad off season. MAYBE when training camp starts, you can begin to think about it, but we all know that it isn't until September that you can really begin to assess what the FO has done, and even then it won't be until Feb that we REALLY will know how they did.

Fair enough. Good points. I appreciate that and what you have added. I agree. There must be some chatting between the Teams prior to the Draft.
DW Toys
 
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Yeh, what a bunch of idiots. Let's tar and feather them. Especially that DW. How dare he make anyone think, that s.o.b. And can he cause all of us real smart and knowledgeable guys who have all the strait scoop much angst. In fact, let's stone him. Moderator can we get him banned?

ausbacker? ..........and you are?

I am not cool like you so I do not know what "skim" is. Is that like in skim milk?
Sorry I left middle school some years back. I don't live at home with Mom or anything but............. I have a opinion that does not weigh any less than yours....Would you agree?
DW Toys

This is a solid comeback.
 
I think every move that BB has made in recent years has been perfect. His tremendous clock management at the end of the AFCCG in Indy was textbook. All of his FA moves have been totally solid. His recent trades during FA have been magic. The drafts over the last 3 years, absolutely stellar...........

Thanks Sicilian, this KoolAid, is really sweet, very tastey, let me pass my KoolAid over to BustaMove. Hey Busta ! It's your turn to take a sip..........and take big gulps, don't cheat yourself with small sips.
 
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Riddler, I agree 100% This has been THE BEST offseason we have ever had (someone actually said that in this thread - lol)!

I agree that belichick is PERFECT and that the Pats are in a position to go 19-0 next season. Anyone who questions anything that the Patriots have done this offseason is and IDIOT. What a bunch of CHICKEN LITTLES.

 
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Give us names. Which FAs did you want? And would you rather have had them than Wilfork, Bodden, TBC, Faulk, or Neal? Because if you count the guys the Pats kept, this has been one of the best offseasons so far.

Ha-ha! I think this might be my favorite most "homeristic" post of this thread.

First off, you're supposed to keep your own players. Especially in an uncapped year. Congradulating the pats for resigning their own guys is like patting an employee on the back for doing what's expected of him. The Colts have signed all their playmakers over the years. Have you classified them as having "one of the best offseasons" in the past? No.

Second, the Pats of 2009-10 got their asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs by the Ravens ( a team that improved a lot this offseason). Keeping the players you mentioned above adds up to the same team as last year, the team that got waxed in the first round...whoop-de-dooo.

I like how the Pats hung on to their own guys - I dont like how they did little to nothing to improve thus far. Hopefully the draft bring a couple trades for some vet playmakers. if not, the Pats will go 10-6 - 9-7 next year.
 
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Ha-ha! I think this might be my favorite most "homeristic" post of this thread.

First off, you're supposed to keep your own players. Especially in an uncapped year. Congradulating the pats for resigning their own guys is like patting an employee on the back for doing what's expected of him. The Colts have signed all their playmakers over the years. Have you classified them as having "one of the best offseasons" in the past? No.

One more data point which shows how ridiculous these hysterics are. The Pats, Colts, and Steelers are all typically pretty quiet in the offseason, which should tell you everything you need to know about the real value of making a splash at this time of year.
 
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One more data point which shows how ridiculous these hysterics are. The Pats, Colts, and Steelers are all typically pretty quiet in the offseason, which should tell you everything you need to know about the real value of making a splash at this time of year.

yeah ...but the Jet trolls masquerading as "objective" Pats fans only care about their pathological obsession for one team
 
Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Ha-ha! I think this might be my favorite most "homeristic" post of this thread.

First off, you're supposed to keep your own players. Especially in an uncapped year. Congradulating the pats for resigning their own guys is like patting an employee on the back for doing what's expected of him. The Colts have signed all their playmakers over the years. Have you classified them as having "one of the best offseasons" in the past? No.

Second, the Pats of 2009-10 got their asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs by the Ravens ( a team that improved a lot this offseason). Keeping the players you mentioned above adds up to the same team as last year, the team that got waxed in the first round...whoop-de-dooo.

I like how the Pats hung on to their own guys - I dont like how they did little to nothing to improve thus far. Hopefully the draft bring a couple trades for some vet playmakers. if not, the Pats will go 10-6 - 9-7 next year.

To this point, what has there been to do that the Patriots haven't done? It's not too late to make an RFA offer. The only trade of interest that has happened so far was the Boldin one, and most other trades in the league will wait until draft day.

The Patriots have the best set of draft picks of any team other than the Bucs and Browns, and we know they won't be contending in the next few years. That, assuming Bill doesn't blow all 4 of those high picks, means that the Patriots are in position to improve more than any playoff team from a year ago. Maybe he'll trade a pick for a vet like many people want him to, but don't say this offseason sucks just because it hasn't happened yet. Right now, the only things that aren't still a possibility are signings of the big name FAs, which was a long shot anyway, and the trade for Boldin, who they at least tried to get.

And unless I'm missing something, the Ravens "that improved a lot this offseason" haven't done anything to improve their team other than trading for Boldin and signing Stallworth. Stallworth has 17 catches since the 2007 season and is the 3rd receiver at best. So while the Ravens have upgraded their receiver position with Boldin, they only have 5 draft picks (1, 2, 5, 5, 6) and are limited in their ability to sign or trade for more players due to the final 8 rules. The Patriots have 12 draft picks (1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7) and can sign or trade for any players they want. So unless Boldin is worth more than 2 extra 2s and a bunch of extra late picks, the Patriots are in position to improve their team more than the Ravens. It hasn't happened yet, though, so you might as well all freak out for now.
 
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I love the conspiracy theorists about my name...

Bottom line:

1. Anyone who wants to rely on Rookies to fill in the big talent gaps for this team for the 2010 season is making a big mistake...

2. I hope everyone on this thread who says I do not know what I am talking about...will admit they are wrong when the Patients finish their 9-7 season

3. Those self appointed experts on this board who pelt those with differing opinions with harsh insults have succeeded in ruining the board...congratulations...its a DEAD BOARD!! youve managed to scare people away from taking any chances withh their opinion...you know who you are

Oh cut it out. You come here, joining in August 2009, and now come talk about how great the site used to be. You haven't answered people's basic questions about what FAs you think we should have picked up that were obviously better choices than what BB already did.

Silly thread. Need less emotion more facts.
 
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Yeh, what a bunch of idiots. Let's tar and feather them. Especially that DW. How dare he make anyone think, that s.o.b. And can he cause all of us real smart and knowledgeable guys who have all the strait scoop much angst. In fact, let's stone him. Moderator can we get him banned?

ausbacker? ..........and you are?

I am not cool like you so I do not know what "skim" is. Is that like in skim milk?
Sorry I left middle school some years back. I don't live at home with Mom or anything but............. I have a opinion that does not weigh any less than yours....Would you agree?
DW Toys
ramon lives under a bridge and you circle straw houses huffing and puffing. Time and time again your commentary is based on scenarios best left to gaming at most optimistic outcomes. Combine the two and I skim through your posts expecting rehashes of the same outcomes you sprout day in day out.

Clearly someone has their panties in a knot. I would agree that my opinion isn't worth more than yours... until one does a quick search of your posting history and compares that to good posters on PatsFans. Id hazard a thought you'd be in the bottom echelon of posters on PatsFans and seeing as though I don't believe in putting people on ignore, I skim through your offerings.

If only you weren't trying so so hard to gain credibility and the approval of other posters on these boards. That DW Toys sure does challenge and make me want to learn.

But hey, the FO doesn't know what it's doing does it...
 
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Good post. But for all of his drops at the wrong time, Caldwell still had a respectable 61 catches and 4 TDs in only 14 starts with the Patriots in 06.

Yes - and of course that was the problem - Caldwell was the best WR on the team and was getting the vast majority of passes thrown his way - but couldn't stretch the field to save his life, and Defenses were collapsing on Brady with DBs coming up knowing that Caldwell couldn't burn them deep.

Many suggested that we were "all set" with Caldwell et al heading into 2007 and the BB hadn't made a mistake at all.

BB himself all but admitted his mistake bringing in not one, but 2 deep WR threats the following season, as well as Welker and Caldwell couldn't even stick with the team as the #5 WR.
 
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Many suggested that we were "all set" with Caldwell et al heading into 2007 and the BB hadn't made a mistake at all.

If by "many", you mean "Caldwell's mom"....then I agree with you. Maybe.

BB himself all but admitted his mistake bringing in not one, but 2 deep WR threats the following season, as well as Welker and Caldwell couldn't even stick with the team as the #5 WR.

Isn't that the whole point? Belichick had Moss and Welker returning in 2009 yet he brought in multiple vets into camp and drafted 2 WRs (in addition to the normal camp bodies and developmental types). His moves didn't work out as he anticipated but there is no indication that at any point in time he considered the WR position to be "all set".

So in the shadow of Branch and 2006, Belichick gave extensive attention to the WR position in 2007 AND 2009. Why would anyone think that he is going to blow off the position in 2010?
 
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Ha-ha! I think this might be my favorite most "homeristic" post of this thread.

First off, you're supposed to keep your own players. Especially in an uncapped year. Congradulating the pats for resigning their own guys is like patting an employee on the back for doing what's expected of him. The Colts have signed all their playmakers over the years. Have you classified them as having "one of the best offseasons" in the past? No.

So if you are supposed to keep your own players, how can you blame the Pats for not signing any free agents when there are obviously no one on the market worth acquiring. There is no rule that you are supposed to keep your own players. That is the most illogical comment in the world. If that was the case, there would be no free agency of any value year after year. If the rule is that you keep your own free agents, then the only free agents you let go are free agents with no value. Why would the Pats be blamed for not picking up other people's garbage. Illogical argument.
 
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