49ers WR Michael Crabtree tears Achilles

[JackBauer]

He doesn't have to be for them to win the NFC.

Yeah, no ****. Thanks for repeating what I've been saying all along. But pretending like this doesn't reduce their odds, or makes winning the NFC measurably more difficult, is folly.

It is a big deal, which almost everyone concedes. That fact that you think it isn't puts you in the distinct minority, not me.

Pretty much everyone I've seen/read on the TV/Internet. Seriously, even in the abstract it's obvious losing one of your best offensive players is a big deal. I'm shocked that you'd even attempt to dispute this, albeit rather weakly.

So how the hell is this a big deal? If they're a playoff team meaning that have enough talent on the team to compete for what will be a very competitive NFC how can having Crabtree back at probably 70% instead of 100% be a season altering blow? Logic much?

You don't even need to go very far back in, for example, Patriots' history to see how something like this can affect a team's chances in the playoffs, especially when the margins are so narrow. If you cannot understand how having a significantly limited offense could come back and bite the team in the playoffs, where, you know (I think?), the quality of competition is much higher, there's really no point in continuing this discussion.

again you clearly fail to understand the concept of what was essentially redshirt year.

I understand it just fine, thanks.

News flash, not every player in the NFL contributes their rookie year.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

I played your little cherry pick stat game and came out with a player who's probably the 2nd most productive receiver in the NFL without catching a single ball his rookie year. You might as well have picked "receivers from Illinois" who have gone on to be productive in the NFL and I would have found the same amount of players. Correlation/=/cuasation.

Are you feeling alright? Because this is complete gibberish. I asked you for parallel examples to support your argument against my claim that AJ Jenkins faces long odds in his quest to become a productive NFL player. You failed to do so, rather abjectly, and then attempted to pivot to the broader argument of the extent to which Crabtree's injury hurts the 49ers chances this season.

Maybe if I change the color you'll understand, He was a project, they (the niners) didn't expect him to come in and contribute day one.

Maybe you should spare the condescension for those rare arguments you actually win.

Let me try and impress a point on you: the success rate of draftees who enter the NFL and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING their first season is not high. That was the argument used here by those who were bearish on Crable and are bearish on Bequette. It's simply a fact, and has been my sole point all along. The fact that you cannot abide this is really of no concern to me, and the complete lack of substantiation in your "argument" speaks for itself.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Niners fans must know nothing about their team.

They are homers like every other fanbase.

I'm sorry, but Jack's right on Jenkins. 0 receptions as a 1st round pick is a joke. Explain how other "project" WRs went up their teams depth charts and made impacts their rookie year? (T.Y Hilton, Chris Givens, Rod Streater, etc)

Hell, Streater only had 19 receptions his senior year in an option offense and still ended up as the teams WR3 as an UDFA, cant get more of a project than that.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

Ooo, gotta 'nuther ruckus fracus ta watch. One guy even brewin' up sum red ink. lol.
One guy named Jack Bauer. Hey Jack Bauer...
Keifer Sutherland used to go into a Manhattan bar. A guy who lived in my building tended there. This guy would come home with Keifer stories, who'd just unload his troubles on the bartenders after he had a few in him.
The best one was -
When Kiefer was younger, his father, Donald, would give psychedelic drugs to Kiefer & his girlfriend and then demand to watch them while they had sex drugged out on them.
So... yeah. There's yer Jack Bauer. lol.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Yeah, no ****. Thanks for repeating what I've been saying all along. But pretending like this doesn't reduce their odds, or makes winning the NFC measurably more difficult, is folly.

Pretty much everyone I've seen/read on the TV/Internet. Seriously, even in the abstract it's obvious losing one of your best offensive players is a big deal. I'm shocked that you'd even attempt to dispute this, albeit rather weakly.

There is your first problem, stop watching national news and listening to pfw and start reading reports from BA beat writers and fans who have a much better insight as to their team. If you really want an objective view on San Frans SB chances go take a look at who books have as the favorite to win it all. Newsflash, it hasn't changed since Crabtrees injury. Best believe if Kaepernick were to go to for 6 months, those odds would change significantly.

You don't even need to go very far back in, for example, Patriots' history to see how something like this can affect a team's chances in the playoffs, especially when the margins are so narrow. If you cannot understand how having a significantly limited offense could come back and bite the team in the playoffs, where, you know (I think?), the quality of competition is much higher, there's really no point in continuing this discussion.

This isn't the patriots, they aren't constructed like the patriots and they don't win games like the patriots. Stop trying to make this dumbass comparison. Not all good teams are constructed the same way. Stop being so hell bent on comparisons because every situation is different. Alex ******* Smith brought this team to the NFC championship game, you really want to talk about "significantly limited offenses?" The 9ers winning games is contingent upon any single one player. They got very little out of Vernon Davis down the stretch last season and Crabtree picked up the slack. Who's to say Vernon won't have a better year this year?

Are you feeling alright? Because this is complete gibberish. I asked you for parallel examples to support your argument against my claim that AJ Jenkins faces long odds in his quest to become a productive NFL player. You failed to do so, rather abjectly, and then attempted to pivot to the broader argument of the extent to which Crabtree's injury hurts the 49ers chances this season.

So because I don't have a list of examples of something happening, it is foolish to think that a player can contribute after not contributing in his rookie season? You would have said the same thing about Wes Welker and I wouldn't have blamed you for being skeptical but your total rejection of any player contributing after their rookie year is what I call foolish. Im not saying Jenkins will come in and replicate what Crabtree did last year but I am saying that him actually contributing this season after seing only a handful of snaps last year is in no way far fetched. The draft philosophy of picking players in the upper rounds with high upside and letting them develop is part of the reason why there aren't a bunch of parallel examples. Harboughs draft philosophy is fairly unique. Like I said, you could have said that expecting Jenkins to contribute is foolish because he wen't to illinois and they've only produced one other productive receiver. I wouldn't have a list to back up my claims but that doesn't make what you're saying correct.

Maybe you should spare the condescension for those rare arguments you actually win.

lol are you really beating your chest about winning an argument when the season hasn't been played?

Let me try and impress a point on you: the success rate of draftees who enter the NFL and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING their first season is not high. That was the argument used here by those who were bearish on Crable and are bearish on Bequette. It's simply a fact, and has been my sole point all along. The fact that you cannot abide this is really of no concern to me, and the complete lack of substantiation in your "argument" speaks for itself.

You still don't get it and you fail to look at everything by a case by case basis. Instead you're caught up in numbers and comparisons. This discussion is going nowhere and this is the last time I'll respond to one of your posts on this subject until the season is well underway and we can see who does what.

 

[JackBauer]

There is your first problem, stop watching national news and listening to pfw and start reading reports from BA beat writers and fans who have a much better insight as to their team. If you really want an objective view on San Frans SB chances go take a look at who books have as the favorite to win it all. Newsflash, it hasn't changed since Crabtrees injury. Best believe if Kaepernick were to go to for 6 months, those odds would change significantly.

So what you're saying is that a QB is more integral to a team's success than is a WR?

Mind = blown.

I don't really need anyone to tell me what losing a top offensive skill player is a significant blow. It is what it is. Might as well argue whether the sky is blue, while we're at it.

This isn't the patriots, they aren't constructed like the patriots and they don't win games like the patriots. Stop trying to make this dumbass comparison. Not all good teams are constructed the same way. Stop being so hell bent on comparisons because every situation is different. Alex ******* Smith brought this team to the NFC championship game, you really want to talk about "significantly limited offenses?" The 9ers winning games is contingent upon any single one player. They got very little out of Vernon Davis down the stretch last season and Crabtree picked up the slack. Who's to say Vernon won't have a better year this year?

I love it when you tell me things I already know, and then act like you're dropping wisdom.

I understand full well the 49ers are less reliant on their offensive skill players than are most other teams. But acting like this doesn't hurt them against other balanced teams like, err, the Seahawks, is plain retahded.

So because I don't have a list of examples of something happening, it is foolish to think that a player can contribute after not contributing in his rookie season?

Do you understand the concept of odds and probability? It's also possible I might win the lottery tomorrow. It's not, however, likely. It's possible AJ Jenkins might develop into a quality receiver. Similarly it's not, however, likely.

You still don't get it and you fail to look at everything by a case by case basis. Instead you're caught up in numbers and comparisons. This discussion is going nowhere and this is the last time I'll respond to one of your posts on this subject until the season is well underway and we can see who does what.

Uh, I'm caught up in numbers and comparisons because that's all we can really use at this point to speculate on Jenkins' future. Meanwhile, your argument consists of essentially "he may accomplish something that a very, very small fraction of draftees are able to accomplish, and therefore we should be confident that he will!"

 

[AzPatsFan]

It's pretty clear that you just don't get it. Crabtree will miss 6 months, the 9ers will continue to play good defense and pound the rock. If you really think this is some huge deal than I guess you haven't watched much 9ers football over the past 2 years.

edit: and just to give you one player, Wes Wekler

The shelf life of NFL running backs is pretty short. Frank Gore is a very good back, but he has an EXCESSIVE number of miles on him. It always seems that RBs lose it very suddenly, almost overnight. What makes you think that he, or the redshirt RB they drafted, could provide a running game in 2013, if Gore goes "Over the Hill"?

 

[tonyto3690]

Anyone who doesn't think losing Crabtree for essentially the entire season doesn't hurt their chances is an idiot. He was a monster in the playoffs and was by far Kaep's #1 target. Colin isn't good enough to be able to go through all of his progressions and make a good choice. He needs his top 2 guys to get open consistently.

And no, Boldin is not even remotely close to Crabtree. Boldin made some big plays but has been incredibly bad for the past three years minus a 4 game stretch last year.

 

[DocHoliday]

The Niners should be more concerned if 30 year old Frank Gore can still pound the rock like they need him to.