4-3 base defense - What do we gain?

[patsox23]

It has been proposed that we could go to a 4-3 base.

Thoughts?

Oh God. Please stop the madness. We're NOT going to a 4-3 base. Ever.

 

[IcyPatriot]

All I know is that we get to the QB more in the 4-3 than in the 3-4 ... and that makes me happy. The 4-3 allows Wilfork to pressure the middle like a 1-gap player ... QB's get flushed to the side alot ... I like our 4-3 ... always have.

 

[RayClay]

Oh God. Please stop the madness. We're NOT going to a 4-3 base. Ever.

I agree. That's why I started a new thread rather than argue with people that think it would be easy.

You can't just start from the back of the thread and eliminate the whole body of my post.

Well, I guess you can, you just did.

 

[RayClay]

All I know is that we get to the QB more in the 4-3 than in the 3-4 ... and that makes me happy. The 4-3 allows Wilfork to pressure the middle like a 1-gap player ... QB's get flushed to the side alot ... I like our 4-3 ... always have.

You've got Wilfork playing in the four-three? Who do you sit, Warren or Seymour?

 

[RayClay]

Re: 4-3 base defense-What do we gain?

Yeah, but everybody sucks less at something.

That's a truly inspirational quote.

Makes me want to put it in one of those huge poster things they put in offices.

 

[Frezo]

Re: 4-3 base defense-What do we gain?

That's a truly inspirational quote.

Makes me want to put it in one of those huge poster things they put in offices.

Actually it's on the inside of Chad's chinstrap. You know, the one he was supposed to leave in PGH.

 

[mgteich]

In the 4-3, I would have Warren and Wilfork in the middle, and Seymour and Green at the ends. Wright and Smith can backup anywhere on the DL. AD and Vrabel are the OLB's and Bruschi/Seau sharing time as the MLB. This could indeed put a lot of pressure on the QB.

You've got Wilfork playing in the four-three? Who do you sit, Warren or Seymour?

 

[pheenix11]

I don't see this as a huge deal. We can run a 3-3-5. Put Merriweather in as FS and Rodney plays a SS/ILB kind of role. Rodney is getting slow for a SS but he is fast for an ILB. Bruschi and Seau can platoon at the other ILB position.

I am dying to see AD rushing as an OLB, I think he can finally realize his full potential.

 

[ClevTrev]

The Pats will continue to run the defensive alignments they've run over the past few years. Becoming a pure 4-3 team is not an option.

 

[RayClay]

In the 4-3, I would have Warren and Wilfork in the middle, and Seymour and Green at the ends. Wright and Smith can backup anywhere on the DL. AD and Vrabel are the OLB's and Bruschi/Seau sharing time as the MLB. This could indeed put a lot of pressure on the QB.

Who are your two outside pass rushers? Also in the four three one of the ends has to cover sometimes, Seymour or Green? In most 4-3s all four of them would be tackles. Jarvis Green is closer to 300 lbs. than he is to the average pass rushing DE.

Jason Taykor 255 Dwight Freeney 268.

 

[Fencer]

Seymour had 8 sacks one season. But what I have no clue about is the mix on those between traditional outside rushes and downs he moved inside, etc.

Warren has become a decent rusher -- but yeah, it's tackle-level decent, not end-level decent.

Green is a perfectly competent rush end, I think.

But yeah -- Vrabel is probably the best rusher on the team.

 

[pheenix11]

Who are your two outside pass rushers? Also in the four three one of the ends has to cover sometimes, Seymour or Green? In most 4-3s all four of them would be tackles. Jarvis Green is closer to 300 lbs. than he is to the average pass rushing DE.

Jason Taykor 255 Dwight Freeney 268.

You have to think a line of Green, Warren, Wilfork and Seymour would wear the hell out of an offensive line and get a lot of pressure as well as stuff the run.

I can imagine these 4 playing 1 gap instead of 2 and just overpowering offensive lineman as they rush the passer. Yeah they would be slow, but the brute strength would be impressive.

 

[RayClay]

You have to think a line of Green, Warren, Wilfork and Seymour would wear the hell out of an offensive line and get a lot of pressure as well as stuff the run.

I can imagine these 4 playing 1 gap instead of 2 and just overpowering offensive lineman as they rush the passer. Yeah they would be slow, but the brute strength would be impressive.

It's something to mix in there. The absolute loss of speed would be astonishing, though. Outside of Green, I can't see anyone beating anyone to the QB outside with a speed rush. It's got to be something an offense would exploit. Add a slow MLB and weakside LB (maybe Harrison, we don't have one).

I wouldn't mind seeing Jarvis play the elephant sometimes. 3 man line with shifting LBs.