3 million a year for Sanders

[ausbacker]

Why do we need to malign Sanders just because other players are doing a great job? Sanders has been a dependable player for the team, and he earned his contract. If the team decides to release him from his contract after this season, he'll go elsewhere and, probably, find himself a job as a starter. Hell, he can call up Pioli and go start for the Chiefs, or he can call McDaniels and become part of a 3 man rotation there in Denver.

I love the idea of questioning everything, but this fan base has got to get past the notion that any Patriots player who's not the very best at his position is some overpaid stiff that needs to go. It's just not a realistic approach to the game.

It's the what have you done for me lately mentality Deus. Hang on a guy who has tried his best, but isn't as productive as the current positional players.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

I do not like Sanders. He's currently the 4th Safety on our team. It seems even Chung is getting more snaps than him now.

He's being overpaid and will be asked to take a pay cut this offseason. No doubt about it. Wilfork, Mankins, Bodden, etc. We have bigger contracts to sign. Sanders and Adalius Thomas will both be gone if they dont agree to take huge pay cuts

 

[Deus Irae]

I do not like Sanders. He's currently the 4th Safety on our team. It seems even Chung is getting more snaps than him now.

He's being overpaid and will be asked to take a pay cut this offseason. No doubt about it. Wilfork, Mankins, Bodden, etc. We have bigger contracts to sign. Sanders and Adalius Thomas will both be gone if they dont agree to take huge pay cuts

If Sanders is asked to take a pay cut, I'd expect him to tell the Patriots that he'll respectfully decline.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

If Sanders is asked to take a pay cut, I'd expect him to tell the Patriots that he'll respectfully decline.

And that's fine. I fully expect him to be with another team next year. Same with Adalius Thomas.

 

[Kontradiction]

Why do we need to malign Sanders just because other players are doing a great job? Sanders has been a dependable player for the team, and he earned his contract. If the team decides to release him from his contract after this season, he'll go elsewhere and, probably, find himself a job as a starter. Hell, he can call up Pioli and go start for the Chiefs, or he can call McDaniels and become part of a 3 man rotation there in Denver.

I love the idea of questioning everything, but this fan base has got to get past the notion that any Patriots player who's not the very best at his position is some overpaid stiff that needs to go. It's just not a realistic approach to the game.

:ditto::agree::yeahthat:

 

[JFK]

This is why it's a no-brainer that we're going to keep Sanders. I'd rather have JAG's as backups, not stars because you get less trouble and bickering that way.

I don''t think its a no brainer. If i was Sanders, i'll ask for a trade or something. I can't be a back up when i can be starting else where in the league. It makes no sense.

 

[mayoclinic]

I don''t think its a no brainer. If i was Sanders, i'll ask for a trade or something. I can't be a back up when i can be starting else where in the league. It makes no sense.

I think there's a decent chance that Sanders, Matt Light and Adalius Thomas all get traded in the offseason. All have starting value for other teams, all are under contract, and all will not be worth their cap hit.

There should be some really nice guys slipping to the 3rd round this year. Guys like Corey Wootton, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, Austen Lane, Noel Devine, Dexter McCluster, Toby Gerhart, Mike Johnson, Mike Pouncey, Eric Decker, Dennis Pitta and Rob Gronkowski could possibly be available in that territory. That Pats could stack up on some nice positional depth if they had a few picks in the 3rd round.

 

[NickOGS20]

Why do we need to malign Sanders just because other players are doing a great job? Sanders has been a dependable player for the team, and he earned his contract. If the team decides to release him from his contract after this season, he'll go elsewhere and, probably, find himself a job as a starter. Hell, he can call up Pioli and go start for the Chiefs, or he can call McDaniels and become part of a 3 man rotation there in Denver.

I love the idea of questioning everything, but this fan base has got to get past the notion that any Patriots player who's not the very best at his position is some overpaid stiff that needs to go. It's just not a realistic approach to the game.

Has anyone really maligned Sanders, or even really taken issue with him being offered the contract he was? Seems to me all people are saying is that events (namely the impact and progress of McGowan and Chung) have conspired in such a way that looking at things now, he looks overpaid for the role he's playing, which isn't maligning him at all really.

In fact, with the greatest of respect, your criticism of the fanbase in the second paragraph (while quite possibly accurate in a general sense) seems an out of kilter response to the posts that preceded it, including the opener.

 

[farn]

Deus is right - this is crazy.

From accounts, one of the reasons they got the contract done asap was that there were other teams looking for his services. Secondly, BB has been a fan - praising him for his leadership in the backfield. And, as mentionned, it's great that Chung and McGowan have played so well that Sanders' time has been affected.

Are we not the same people who have been bashing the backfield depth in recent years ? Let's rejoice in the newfound vitality !

 

[mayoclinic]

Deus is right - this is crazy.

From accounts, one of the reasons they got the contract done asap was that there were other teams looking for his services. Secondly, BB has been a fan - praising him for his leadership in the backfield. And, as mentionned, it's great that Chung and McGowan have played so well that Sanders' time has been affected.

Are we not the same people who have been bashing the backfield depth in recent years ? Let's rejoice in the newfound vitality !

I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one am not bashing Sanders at all. He's a fine player, and fabulous depth as the #4 safety. Depth which we would quickly appreciate if any of the other 3 guys ahead of him get injured.

To my mind, however, he will remain the #4 safety as long as Meriweather, McGowan and Chung are healthy and on the roster. And the question is simply whether that justifies a $3M salary, or whether we could use that money better in other ways - resigning Vince Wilfork, Mankins, or Bodden for example. I'd rather keep Leigh Bodden, for example, and pair him with Butler at CB and have Lockett as our #4 safety than keep Sanders and lose Bodden. JMHO. Sanders' salary might be the difference of making a competitive vs. a non-competitive offer. Plus we could probably get something for Sanders in trade.

 

[NickOGS20]

Deus is right - this is crazy.

From accounts, one of the reasons they got the contract done asap was that there were other teams looking for his services. Secondly, BB has been a fan - praising him for his leadership in the backfield. And, as mentionned, it's great that Chung and McGowan have played so well that Sanders' time has been affected.

Are we not the same people who have been bashing the backfield depth in recent years ? Let's rejoice in the newfound vitality !

Again though - where is anyone bashing Sanders, or our backfield depth, or the decision to offer him the contract we did when we did? Very few, if any, are doing that here. The general theme is - as mayoclinic has beaten me to saying - discussing whether, in the cold light of day, we can justify the current outlay for our #4 safety and whether the money could be better utilised elsewhere (even if we may be headed into an uncapped year).

I know players/staff etc do regularly get bashed on here, often with little/no justification, but we shouldn't assume every thread or poster that questions or second-guesses decisions is looking to do so.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

Again though - where is anyone bashing Sanders, or our backfield depth, or the decision to offer him the contract we did when we did? Very few, if any, are doing that here. The general theme is - as mayoclinic has beaten me to saying - discussing whether, in the cold light of day, we can justify the current outlay for our #4 safety and whether the money could be better utilised elsewhere (even if we may be headed into an uncapped year).

I know players/staff etc do regularly get bashed on here, often with little/no justification, but we shouldn't assume every thread or poster that questions or second-guesses decisions is looking to do so.

Exactly. Most people agree that AT THE TIME HE WAS SIGNED, it was a good deal. But right now it doesnt look so good considering McGowan quickly took over the starting spot and has looked much better than Sanders. Even Chung has passed Sanders on the depth chart and has shown he can make plays

 

[patsfan-1982]

no he is not over paid not if you go by what DB's are makeing now a day's

he was the starter 3 million a year for a starter is not a lot of money look at what some guy's are makeing he signed at a good price

the colts are paying 7 million a year for a run stoping SS that is never on the field in bob sanders

 

[RobertWeathers]

Again though - where is anyone bashing Sanders, or our backfield depth, or the decision to offer him the contract we did when we did? Very few, if any, are doing that here. The general theme is - as mayoclinic has beaten me to saying - discussing whether, in the cold light of day, we can justify the current outlay for our #4 safety and whether the money could be better utilised elsewhere (even if we may be headed into an uncapped year).

I know players/staff etc do regularly get bashed on here, often with little/no justification, but we shouldn't assume every thread or poster that questions or second-guesses decisions is looking to do so.

I get what you are trying to say, Nick but as you know at the time of the deal Sanders was the 1b safety and wa paid accordingly.

Certainly when the Pats make personnel/roster decisions they should be scrutinized, but the Sanders signing isn't a good example.

......and there are posters in this thread who aren't factoring in the risk and how BB mitigated it.

 

[The_Riddler]

If Sanders is asked to take a pay cut, I'd expect him to tell the Patriots that he'll respectfully decline.

And BB will respectfully say: "Don't let the door hit you in the arse"

 

[DaBruinz]

I do not like Sanders. He's currently the 4th Safety on our team. It seems even Chung is getting more snaps than him now.

He's being overpaid and will be asked to take a pay cut this offseason. No doubt about it. Wilfork, Mankins, Bodden, etc. We have bigger contracts to sign. Sanders and Adalius Thomas will both be gone if they dont agree to take huge pay cuts

I can pretty much guarantee you that Sanders won't be asked to take a pay cut. Jarvis Green and Kevin Faulk were never asked to take a pay cut though they were considered to be over-paid.

People like yourself don't take into consideration that there is no salary cap next season. So, it will be MUCH HARDER for teams to ask players to take a pay cut.

Also, why would they ask Sanders to take a pay-cut. He's only counting 2.95 Million against the cap? That is a very small amount when everything is considered.

 

[DaBruinz]

Has anyone really maligned Sanders, or even really taken issue with him being offered the contract he was? Seems to me all people are saying is that events (namely the impact and progress of McGowan and Chung) have conspired in such a way that looking at things now, he looks overpaid for the role he's playing, which isn't maligning him at all really.

In fact, with the greatest of respect, your criticism of the fanbase in the second paragraph (while quite possibly accurate in a general sense) seems an out of kilter response to the posts that preceded it, including the opener.

Yes. Several people have. The biggest one being DW Toys....

As for Deus Irae's statement about the fanbase, he's pretty dead on. And, Deus has been around long enough to be able form that particular opinion.

 

[DaBruinz]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one am not bashing Sanders at all. He's a fine player, and fabulous depth as the #4 safety. Depth which we would quickly appreciate if any of the other 3 guys ahead of him get injured.

To my mind, however, he will remain the #4 safety as long as Meriweather, McGowan and Chung are healthy and on the roster. And the question is simply whether that justifies a $3M salary, or whether we could use that money better in other ways - resigning Vince Wilfork, Mankins, or Bodden for example. I'd rather keep Leigh Bodden, for example, and pair him with Butler at CB and have Lockett as our #4 safety than keep Sanders and lose Bodden. JMHO. Sanders' salary might be the difference of making a competitive vs. a non-competitive offer. Plus we could probably get something for Sanders in trade.

Mayo - You do understand that there is no salary cap next year, yes? Even if the cap was in place, do you really think that the 2.25 Million that the Pats would save by trading Sanders will be the difference between a competitive offer and a non-competitive one? If 2.25 million is the difference then the Pats have much bigger issues than Sanders.

Your scenarios, while possible, really aren't well thought out. If there was a salary cap in place for 2010, the Pats would have 42 million in free cap space to spend.. With 39 players signed. And that is WITH the huge cap hit of Thomas on the books.

All of you who are saying that Thomas and Sanders are gone really aren't looking at the salary cap issues. Or you are ignoring part of it to suit you.

 

[satz]

This makes no sense, we play 3 safety as our primary package and for that you need 4 starting safety.

chung is young and also on a run heavy team we might need sanders in there over chung or even merriweather. He is a bit bigger and tackles .

At 1.75 million even if you get a vet minium guy for 1 million where is the saving?. you 750 what if that guy cannot play? or takes too long to learn.

what is no cap or even with a cap of 140 million is saving 750k a big issue.

 

[DaBruinz]

People claiming that Sanders will be gone because of his 2.95 million salary aren't thinking this through.

As I mentioned before, there is no cap next season as it stands right now. So there really is no reason to go to Sanders and threaten him with being cut over such a small amount. And yes, 2.95 million IS a small amount in comparison.

Thomas salary is really not that much either. 4.9 million. Might the Pats ask him to take a pay cut? Maybe, but I doubt it.. How many starting OLBs are making under 5 million in salary?

Could the Pats use the theoretical 132 million cap number as their budget for next season? Sure. And as it stands right now, they are between 40 and 45 million under that number with 39 people signed.

People also need to remember that some players who would normally be UFA, will only be RFA because of the change in the rules with no salary cap (less than 6 accrued seasons = RFA). So Mankins and Gostkowski won't be going anywhere.. unless someone is willing to cough up at least a 2nd round pick for Gost and a 1st round pick for Mankins (my lowball guesses to where the Pats tender them).