3-4 returns.

[Ring 6]

I could see Deaderick as an OLB, they did it a lot in the first game with Anderson.

Dearerick and Anderson are completely different players. Andersons only position in a 34 alignment is OLB, and Deadericks only is DE.

But I don't want Fletcher in the middle over Spikes, not after rewatching the game today. Fletcher was terrible and ultimately replaced by White who didn't fare much better.

This is the kind of team Spikes is here to blow up.
Fletcher will probably play in sub packages.

Hopefully Nink doesn't get sucked in so easy, something he has been getting better at, but is still an issue, especially in the first game.

We went with a lot of different fronts in that game, but we didn't solely go with the 3-4. There was some 4-3, 4-2, 3-4 with Anderson playing OLB with his hand down.

IIRC, and I may not but I think we started in the 34 but then went to 43.

And to the folks that don't think that an OLB can play with his hand down, I would tell you that the front isn't neccesarily determined by if the player has his hand down or not. In our case if the center is playing over center and two other lineman are over the tackles/TE and then you have a 4th guy lined up wide with his hand down he is probably playing OLB. Once you recognize that the LB's themselves will give you the final answer.

The defense isn't identified as a 34 or 43. The same players are often on the field in either. Traditionally the 34 covers the C and the 43 covers the Gs, but that is not a hard and fast rule at all. Many of our alignments could correctly be called 34 or 43.

 

[mgcolby]

Dearerick and Anderson are completely different players. Andersons only position in a 34 alignment is OLB, and Deadericks only is DE.

I understand that, but if you put Deaderick out there to set the edge in the wide split or 9 (whatever the cool term is these days) and funnel everything back inside is doable when the Broncos line up tight with 12 or 22 personnel.

This is the kind of team Spikes is here to blow up.
Fletcher will probably play in sub packages.

Yup, but even Fletcher's zone play was terrible against the Broncos. And I love Fletch, but he had a really bad game.

IIRC, and I may not but I think we started in the 34 but then went to 43..

We started in the 43 and started to mix some 34 in during the second quarter, then used a combination of 43,42 nickel; 2 man front with dime; and 34.

The defense isn't identified as a 34 or 43. The same players are often on the field in either. Traditionally the 34 covers the C and the 43 covers the Gs, but that is not a hard and fast rule at all. Many of our alignments could correctly be called 34 or 43.

That is pretty much what I said.

 

[Ring 6]

I understand that, but if you put Deaderick out there to set the edge in the wide split or 9 (whatever the cool term is these days) and funnel everything back inside is doable when the Broncos line up tight with 12 or 22 personnel.

Except he cannot play LB. He should be the RDE in a 43.

Yup, but even Fletcher's zone play was terrible against the Broncos. And I love Fletch, but he had a really bad game.

All young players have bad games. His skillset is a good fit for that role.

That is pretty much what I said.

Yes. I know.

 

[Patspsycho]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but didn't the Steelers prove in OT yesterday that only one safety back is a bad idea?

Using your only high safety to come to the line to sell blitz was the bad idea. Tebow is usually slow to throw and I guess Pittsburgh was thinking this, but the one thing I don't understand about that OT play is why they put Thomas in one on one press, because that is just courting disaster when you have nobody above him.

 

[Ring 6]

We started in the 43 and started to mix some 34 in during the second quarter, then used a combination of 43,42 nickel; 2 man front with dime; and 34.

Actually that is incorrect. I am rewatching now.
We came out and played 43 the first 3 plays then 34 all but 1 or 2 plays the rest of the first (TD) drive. On the 2nd TD drive we were in 43 for only 1 play.
Thats as far as I am now, but the gameplan early was 34.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually that is incorrect. I am rewatching now.
We came out and played 43 the first 3 plays then 34 all but 1 or 2 plays the rest of the first (TD) drive. On the 2nd TD drive we were in 43 for only 1 play.
Thats as far as I am now, but the gameplan early was 34.

3rd drive was 8 plays in 34, 1 in 43 and 1 in nickel.
Carter was injured on the second to last play in that drive.

 

[Ring 6]

3rd drive was 8 plays in 34, 1 in 43 and 1 in nickel.
Carter was injured on the second to last play in that drive.

4th drvie was fumble on 1st play out of 34

5th drive was a play in 34, a play in 43 then 2 in nickel when they spread the field.

We were playing 3-3 nickel with 2 ILBs and 1 OLB, btw.

Almost all of the success running the ball came vs the 34 and aside from the 1st 3 plays we barely played any 43 in the first half.

 

[VrabelJr]

Brandon deaderick is not a mother effing olb in a 3-4. End of story. Drop it.

 

[Ring 6]

Brandon deaderick is not a mother effing olb in a 3-4. End of story. Drop it.

However, you can take your 3-4 with Ellis, Wilfork, Love and Ninko, Mayo, Spikes and insert Deaderick in the 7th spot that would be an OLB in the 34, and play a 43 that is big and will be stout vs the run.

 

[mgcolby]

Actually that is incorrect. I am rewatching now.
We came out and played 43 the first 3 plays then 34 all but 1 or 2 plays the rest of the first (TD) drive. On the 2nd TD drive we were in 43 for only 1 play.
Thats as far as I am now, but the gameplan early was 34.

I watched it earlier and posted what I saw in the broncos/pats matchup thread post 154. To long to repost. I think we saw much of the same thing. However I watched the 1st quarter left the house and then came back and wrote off memory. The other three quarters I wrote as I watched. I think we saw much of the same thing. But Every time I didn't count it as a 43 when Anderson was split wide with his hand down in what other wise would be a 34 look.

 

[mgcolby]

Brandon deaderick is not a mother effing olb in a 3-4. End of story. Drop it.

I don't think you are understanding what we are saying. Obviously we don't want him standing up playing in space or really playing in space at all. Kicking him out with his hand down makes the O line adjust to him and if you have Wilfork over tackle/Love over center/Brace over the other tackle or TE and then kick Deaderick out wide with his hand down in either the C or D gap. With Nink standing up outside of wilfork in the C or D gap, Mayo and Spikes head up over the guard.

Technically at that point Deaderick is playing OLB with his hand down. We do it a lot with Anderson and formerly Carter. And against 12 or 22 personnel Deaderick would in position to set the edge and force everything inside without having to move laterally. And puts a lot of pressure on the outside blockers trying to seal him inside as that is typically a WR or TE in the Broncos offense.

 

[Ring 6]

I watched it earlier and posted what I saw in the broncos/pats matchup thread post 154. To long to repost. I think we saw much of the same thing. However I watched the 1st quarter left the house and then came back and wrote off memory. The other three quarters I wrote as I watched. I think we saw much of the same thing. But Every time I didn't count it as a 43 when Anderson was split wide with his hand down in what other wise would be a 34 look.

I think the best determination is the alignment over the Gs and C. I agree if you have a DL over the T a LB over the G and and then a guy like Anderson out in the TE area, up or down, its a 34.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think you are understanding what we are saying. Obviously we don't want him standing up playing in space or really playing in space at all. Kicking him out with his hand down makes the O line adjust to him and if you have Wilfork over tackle/Love over center/Brace over the other tackle or TE and then kick Deaderick out wide with his hand down in either the C or D gap. With Nink standing up outside of wilfork in the C or D gap, Mayo and Spikes head up over the guard.

Technically at that point Deaderick is playing OLB with his hand down. We do it a lot with Anderson and formerly Carter. And against 12 or 22 personnel Deaderick would in position to set the edge and force everything inside without having to move laterally. And puts a lot of pressure on the outside blockers trying to seal him inside as that is typically a WR or TE in the Broncos offense.

I think that was understood., but Deaderick doesnt have that skillset. What are you hoping to accomplish with that move?

 

[NinjaZX6R]

You will probably see a 43 Heavy set or /and 34 reg set.

I also hope they use a cloud defense on Tebow's left side.

 

[satz]

I think that was understood., but Deaderick doesnt have that skillset. What are you hoping to accomplish with that move?

Stopping those plays where they are blocking the olb with a TE and pulling a gaurd and a tackle/gaurd combo block the other end. this is possible as OLB is not big enough to over power there big blocking TE.

I am letting the front 7 to stop the run ,. leaving to play zone in the back this means you are forcing him to throw accurately and also when running the beef is big enough to hold up and not collapse of the double OL combo blocks they use alot with TE sealing the edges.

 

[VrabelJr]

The balance of strength and speed of a "true" OLB versus that TE is a much better matchup than just the strength of Deaderick playing that spot. If that TE can slow down Deaderick a little bit the play is going to get taken outside for a big gain.

 

[satz]

The balance of strength and speed of a "true" OLB versus that TE is a much better matchup than just the strength of Deaderick playing that spot. If that TE can slow down Deaderick a little bit the play is going to get taken outside for a big gain.

Vince moved over to the anderson side to help to hold the LOS. the side that was struggling was the one on the other side with brace/warran as 3-4 DE with Nin/Lance moore as OLB.

Also fletcher shot the gap a few times to have get juked by tebow. i rather have them hold the LOS then open lanes by rushing .

 

[Ring 6]

Stopping those plays where they are blocking the olb with a TE and pulling a gaurd and a tackle/gaurd combo block the other end. this is possible as OLB is not big enough to over power there big blocking TE.

I am letting the front 7 to stop the run ,. leaving to play zone in the back this means you are forcing him to throw accurately and also when running the beef is big enough to hold up and not collapse of the double OL combo blocks they use alot with TE sealing the edges.

So your suggestion is to have a 290lb DL responsible for the area from the T to the boundary?
We would get gashed.

 

[Ring 6]

Vince moved over to the anderson side to help to hold the LOS. the side that was struggling was the one on the other side with brace/warran as 3-4 DE with Nin/Lance moore as OLB.

Also fletcher shot the gap a few times to have get juked by tebow. i rather have them hold the LOS then open lanes by rushing .

Thats not an accurate description of what happened in the game.