2026 UDFA Thread - aka Best Thread Of The Year

[rkarp1]

I didn’t ask about Berrios, but he did make an All Pro team as a return man.

Let’s use Danny Amendola as a barometer. Multiple seasons of 60-70 catches with 600-700 yards. That would be successful in the slot.

you also told me Marcus Jones was a pro bowl CB

 

[rkarp1]

Will you change your mind if Chism becomes a productive NFL slot receiver, here or elsewhere?

for me, my mind does not need to be changed
Chism might become a really good, maybe great, WR in the NFL
to date, he has done absolutely nothing
he hasn't been able to force his way onto the field in front of a jag like Pop, or a rookie who has been lost like WIlliams.
to rely on Chism, or assume the coaches see something, is simply false
any one of a few udfa's could be on the roster ahead of Chism

 

[Wozzy]

Mac Jones made the All Pro team. Meaningless. Berrios is (was) a JAG.

No, Mac Jones was a Pro Bowl alternate when nobody else would go to the game. The All Pro team doesn’t have a game or alternates.

So you think E Chism is Berrios? Or Amendola? So you don't think Chism is Edelman or Welker?

You mentioned Berrios, nobody else did.

I don’t think Chism is anybody yet. But he has a mix of Amendola/Welker type athleticism… so you saying he couldn’t possibly succeed because he isn’t athletic enough is not supported by the science.

 

[Wozzy]

on offense?
which game?

In two regular season games he contributed: 3 targets, 3 catches, 75 yards and a TD. He played minimally in the playoffs but caught a nice 20 yard reception against the Chargers. He made the most of his minimal opportunities. That’s all he can do.

 

[Wozzy]

you also told me Marcus Jones was a pro bowl CB

I told you Marcus Jones is a Pro Bowl caliber slot CB if the Pro Bowl had a specific designation for slot CB’s. And he is… he’s one of the best slot CB’s in the NFL.

You told us before this season began Alex Austin was going to beat out Marcus Jones as the starting slot CB… and that was dumber than a bag of bildos.

 

[Wozzy]

for me, my mind does not need to be changed
Chism might become a really good, maybe great, WR in the NFL
to date, he has done absolutely nothing
he hasn't been able to force his way onto the field in front of a jag like Pop, or a rookie who has been lost like WIlliams.
to rely on Chism, or assume the coaches see something, is simply false
any one of a few udfa's could be on the roster ahead of Chism

Pop led this team in every WR category in 2024, McDaniels and Drake started to unlock his potential in the latter half of last season. He’s far from a jag. That’s just dumb.

To date nobody here has made any statement about what Chism has done, or prediction about what he will become. Most have just pointed out he has the prerequisite athleticism to become a solid slot WR and potential punt returner. The science of measurables don’t lie.

He already made an NFL roster, so saying he won’t because he isn’t athletic enough is laughable.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No, Mac Jones was a Pro Bowl alternate when nobody else would go to the game. The All Pro team doesn’t have a game or alternates.

You mentioned Berrios, nobody else did.

I don’t think Chism is anybody yet. But he has a mix of Amendola/Welker type athleticism… so you saying he couldn’t possibly succeed because he isn’t athletic enough is not supported by the science.

There is no science. LOL

I never said he couldn't possibly succeed. That is how you discuss issues, by assigning phrases or opinions that are extreme that were never expressed.

The coaches say E Chism has a lot of heart and tries hard. You have to give him that. I am not anti-Chism, but the support Chism gets on this Board is absurd. I hope the kid makes it, but I highly doubt it. He is just too slow. Watching his kickoff returns was painful. Could Chism be a JAG? Maybe. He did make the 53 last year, but the bottom end of our roster last year was really weak. See Westover.

 

[Wozzy]

There is no science. LOL

Measurables can be considered part of a broader sports science framework, combining data analytics, biomechanics, and performance evaluation to assess player potential and performance.

I never said he couldn't possibly succeed. That is how you discuss issues, by assigning phrases or opinions that are extreme that were never expressed.

He already made this roster, now you say he can’t. You just said he wasn’t fast enough to succeed, when others with similar speed have.

Stop pretending you didn’t say something when you clearly did.

The coaches say E Chism has a lot of heart and tries hard. You have to give him that. I am not anti-Chism, but the support Chism gets on this Board is absurd. I hope the kid makes it, but I highly doubt it. He is just too slow. Watching his kickoff returns was painful. Could Chism be a JAG? Maybe. He did make the 53 last year, but the bottom end of our roster last year was really weak. See Westover.

Westover was the starting FB, that wasn’t the bottom of the roster. There was one FB on the roster and he was weak.

You seem to be anti-Chism. And I’m not even super high on Chism, I like a few of the UDFA WR’s they brought in this offseason better, but I can’t deny Chism has the upper hand because he already showed the coaches something. You don’t accidentally end up returning kickoffs or making the gameday roster. There were any number of other guys they could have used but didn’t.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Measurables can be considered part of a broader sports science framework, combining data analytics, biomechanics, and performance evaluation to assess player potential and performance.

Sports science is a marketing term. Noone on PatsFans is combining data analytics, biomechanics, and performance evaluations. What are you talking about?

He already made this roster, now you say he can’t.

I never said he can't. Again putting words in other poster's mouths.

You just said he wasn’t fast enough to succeed, when others with similar speed have.

I never said he wasn't fast enough to succeed. Again making stuff up. I said he was painfully slow.

Stop pretending you didn’t say something when you clearly did.

I said Chism is very slow and that is not an independent trait to quickness on the football field. They are inter-related on the field.

You read and interpret posts incorrectly, and it appears you truly believe you errant interpretations. Glad you have confidence.

Westover was the starting FB, that wasn’t the bottom of the roster. There was one FB on the roster and he was weak.

You are agreeing with me?

You seem to be anti-Chism.

But I am not anti-Chism. He seems like a great guy. Why do you repeatedly interpret posts incorrectly?

And I’m not even super high on Chism, I like a few of the UDFA WR’s they brought in this offseason better, but I can’t deny Chism has the upper hand because he already showed the coaches something. You don’t accidentally end up returning kickoffs or making the gameday roster. There were any number of other guys they could have used but didn’t.

Yup, the coaches like him, but he was replaced as the returner because he was slow, and I am guessing the coaches didn't see much improvement over the games he returned kickoffs, so he was replaced.

 

[Wozzy]

Sports science is a marketing term. Noone on PatsFans is combining data analytics, biomechanics, and performance evaluations. What are you talking about?

We discuss combine and pro day data regularly. This data is science, not a “marketing term.” Not even sure what that means.

I never said he can't. Again putting words in other poster's mouths.

Won’t is the same as can’t in this case.

I never said he wasn't fast enough to succeed. Again making stuff up. I said he was painfully slow.

So were Danny Amendola and Welker… seems it wasn’t that big a problem.

You read and interpret posts incorrectly, and it appears you truly believe you errant interpretations. Glad you have confidence.

No, you’re dancing.

You are agreeing with me?

Is this ^ really your next pivot?

But I am not anti-Chism. He seems like a great guy. Why do you repeatedly interpret posts incorrectly?

Yup, the coaches like him, but he was replaced as the returner because he was slow, and I am guessing the coaches didn't see much improvement over the games he returned kickoffs, so he was replaced.

“Like” had nothing to do with him beating other players out for the job.

There’s no misinterpretation, you said something and now you’re backtracking or trying to blame my ability to comprehend. We wouldn’t be this far into the conversation if you didn’t post some strong convictions.

 

[rkarp1]

We discuss combine and pro day data regularly. This data is science, not a “marketing term.” Not even sure what that means.

Won’t is the same as can’t in this case.

So were Danny Amendola and Welker… seems it wasn’t that big a problem.

No, you’re dancing.

Is this ^ really your next pivot?

“Like” had nothing to do with him beating other players out for the job.

There’s no misinterpretation, you said something and now you’re backtracking or trying to blame my ability to comprehend. We wouldn’t be this far into the conversation if you didn’t post some strong convictions.

just saying that Chism was the KR because 2 other players were injured

 

[DaBruinz]

You don't understand. You never change your opinion. There is no reason to engage in a discussion with you.

I've changed my opinion plenty of times. You just can't handle the fact that you're wrong on the subject.

 

[DaBruinz]

you screen shot the stats yourself.
he was inactive for 9 games
for 3 games he saw 2 offensive snaps
for 2 additional games he saw 4 and 5 offensive snaps
he played in 2 blowout wins, and when Hollins was injured
your lie is that you make him out to seeing offensive playing time. he never did other than the blowout wins

The only person LYING is you. Just like you're changing your story again.

YOU said he only saw offensive snaps in the TWO BLOWOUT WINS. I proved that you were wrong and stated that Chism saw Offensive snaps in every game he played. Which is FACT.

 

[upstater1]

Can't believe people are still slagging Marcus Jones after the season he had.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mac Jones made the All Pro team. Meaningless. Berrios is (was) a JAG.

So you think E Chism is Berrios? Or Amendola? So you don't think Chism is Edelman or Welker?

Mac Jones never made an All Pro team.

 

[DaBruinz]

AJ Brown is the worst kept secret in the NFL. I guess it depends if you think Diana Russini had a solid source. Boutte, Hollins and Douglas are also up for new contracts… nothing is certain here.

AJ Brown being traded isn't a secret. No one has a clue where he's being traded. Assuming that it's the Patriots when other teams have the capacity to trade for him is where many of the fans on this site are wrong.

 

[Wozzy]

just saying that Chism was the KR because 2 other players were injured

Garbage. Antonio Gibson got hurt. There was no other injured guy.

They could have used anyone already on the team and did, they could have signed a street free agent, they could have traded for someone.

Chism made the gameday roster and kept it through the playoffs. Facts aren’t your friend.

 

[PatsFan2]

Pop led this team in every WR category in 2024, McDaniels and Drake started to unlock his potential in the latter half of last season. He’s far from a jag. That’s just dumb.

To date nobody here has made any statement about what Chism has done, or prediction about what he will become. Most have just pointed out he has the prerequisite athleticism to become a solid slot WR and potential punt returner. The science of measurables don’t lie.

He already made an NFL roster, so saying he won’t because he isn’t athletic enough is laughable.

The only way either Pop or Chism makes it: is if we intend on carrying Six WR's *somewhat unlikey*. There's only so much room in he Inn.
AJB - Doubs - Boutte - Williams and Barefoot.
IF Kyle Williams makes the jump he has a legit #2 ceiling with his Elite Speed.

 

[DaBruinz]

Mac Jones made the All Pro team. Meaningless. Berrios is (was) a JAG.

So you think E Chism is Berrios? Or Amendola? So you don't think Chism is Edelman or Welker?

You love being wrong.

Mac Jones was NEVER an ALL PRO. As a rookie, he was in the Pro Bowl as an injury Sub and he received votes in the Associated Press's (AP) Offensive Rookie of the Year voting.

 

[DaBruinz]

Garbage. Antonio Gibson got hurt. There was no other injured guy.

They could have used anyone already on the team and did, they could have signed a street free agent, they could have traded for someone.

Chism made the gameday roster and kept it through the playoffs. Facts aren’t your friend.

After Gibson went down, Terrell Jennings became the Kick Returner. He was then Hurt.

The Pats attempted Kyle Williams there, but went to Efton Chism instead. It wasn't until later that they went to D'Ernest Johnson