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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.1. I like Freeling but not as much as you. He's certainly a late first possibility for me but not ahead of Parker.Pauvre Manx.
I'd rather have any of Freeling, Goosby, or Pierre.
If/when they decide to go back to school, I will probably be up the same creek as you.
That comes with maturity.All reasonable.
I am very trajectory oriented. I think you put more value on a high floor than I do. Parker, Ioane, Pregnon all high floor guys.
Clip this!I like 'em young
That is certainly true, something I've acknowledged as a possible flaw in my scouting before. I wanted to be more focused on ceiling this year, and I know we disagree on this, I just haven't seen that ceiling as being prevalent this year. Maybe that changes if Pierre, McDonald, Goosby declare.All reasonable.
I am very trajectory oriented. I think you put more value on a high floor than I do. Parker, Ioane, Pregnon all high floor guys.
I'm certainly on board with Mcdonald and Goosby. The other high ceiling pick I do like is Malachi Lawrence.There's no right answer.
My approach tends to focus on younger, higher trajectory prospects with "traits". Coach 'em up, move on from those that don't work out.
There is obviously balance needed, both from veterans and from older, more developed, and higher floor prospects. I tend to focus on those more day 3.
Yhonzae Pierre, Jelani McDonald, Kade Pieper, Monroe Freeling and Yrevor Goosby are all trajectory picks with high upside and traits.
I think I’d want an iOL higher than that and I don’t think Goosby is realistic but any draft containing Mesidor would make me very happy. The feels would be good with that draft though.I like Lawrence, too. Imagine something like:
Goosby/Freeling round 1.
Mesidor round 2.
Lawrence round 3.
Best DB and IOL round 4.
I agree with everything you've said. My only knock on him is the build. I don't know if he can handle the rigours of playing on the LoS on every down. He's more of an OLB to me. For that reason I see him more as a 3rd rounder for us. I do like that you recognised his motor, it's one of my favourite things about him. I also like that he stepped up from Coastal Carolina to Louisville without missing a beat and no-one can question his results - he's been one of the most successful pass rushers in CFB the last two years. I really like him, I just wish I could see him as a DE rather than an OLB and that's where I struggle.My breakdown of the oft overlooked Clev Lubin.
First let's talk about the bad. He is undersized and his run D suffers at times for it. I saw when play when he got matched up against what looked like a 330lb pulling guard with momentum going forward near the goal line with the RB coming behind it. It ended how you would expect. No chance there. So you need to just accept there are some things the 6'2-6'3 (whatever) 240-250lb (whatever) DE can't do. He is undersized for that role a bit and you need to keep him out of bad situations. But overall i was pretty happy with his run D given his size. It didn't come off to me as so bad he needs to be off the field in potential run situations. He held his own more than not. So i do not subscribe the the idea he has to be a pass rush specialist at the next level in the least. That ups his value a good deal.
Next... something dear to my heart. PDs. I LOVE a DE who gets a hand on the ball almost as much as i love an RB running a WR route. 5 PDs this year! 3 last year. Not coincidence at all, he gets his hand in the air and is always reading the QBs eyes. As a bonus he even knocks them up and not down. You have to love a defender who has a tendency to put a falling duck in the air on occasion. I also saw him disrupt a few passes even when he didn't get a hand on it just by making himself a pain to pass the ball over. It is constant.
Now on to the main dish, the pass rush. First off let's talk his bull rush, cause it probably won't get the love it deserves. For a smaller guy his bull rush is REALLY good. Speed to power. Acceleration to power. He puts a OL on his heels and get near the QB. i think this translates at the next level. He uses his shorter size to get low and win early, but doesn't often stay low, cause then he couldn't get all those PDs.
As for his speed and bend around the edge... Yes. I mean, what needs to be said here really? It is all very good. Speed, bend, first step. Check. Check. Check. His ability to change direction quickly is note worthy. Rarely does he out run a play, and when he does he has the speed to recover and maybe still make the play. As for his motor. He doesn't stop. He plays like a man dying of thirst and the only water in the world in inside the damn football. His hand fighting is okay, could use some work there... and i'd love to see the occasional spin through in. While he has a good cut back pass rush move going out to win, i think it is under utilized and can be further improved.
I have no idea why so people have him ranked in the 5th or 4th round. I have no idea what they are watching. David Bailey is a very similar player, and he is ranked by many as the top edge guy? What is the problem with Clev? Do they not like his face? Screw all that. The dude is a baller. I don't think he has the potential to improve as much on the run D side of things as Bailey, so he may need to take a seat more often, but he will see starter level snaps more or less all career long. IDK what anyone says. I love some Lubin. The man is a top 48 player. If you think not, I'd love to hear your reasoning for what i am missing.
Agreed with everything. Plus I think he’s a near perfect fit on this defense. He’s very similar to chaisson and Landry.My breakdown of the oft overlooked Clev Lubin.
First let's talk about the bad. He is undersized and his run D suffers at times for it. I saw when play when he got matched up against what looked like a 330lb pulling guard with momentum going forward near the goal line with the RB coming behind it. It ended how you would expect. No chance there. So you need to just accept there are some things the 6'2-6'3 (whatever) 240-250lb (whatever) DE can't do. He is undersized for that role a bit and you need to keep him out of bad situations. But overall i was pretty happy with his run D given his size. It didn't come off to me as so bad he needs to be off the field in potential run situations. He held his own more than not. So i do not subscribe the the idea he has to be a pass rush specialist at the next level in the least. That ups his value a good deal.
Next... something dear to my heart. PDs. I LOVE a DE who gets a hand on the ball almost as much as i love an RB running a WR route. 5 PDs this year! 3 last year. Not coincidence at all, he gets his hand in the air and is always reading the QBs eyes. As a bonus he even knocks them up and not down. You have to love a defender who has a tendency to put a falling duck in the air on occasion. I also saw him disrupt a few passes even when he didn't get a hand on it just by making himself a pain to pass the ball over. It is constant.
Now on to the main dish, the pass rush. First off let's talk his bull rush, cause it probably won't get the love it deserves. For a smaller guy his bull rush is REALLY good. Speed to power. Acceleration to power. He puts a OL on his heels and get near the QB. i think this translates at the next level. He uses his shorter size to get low and win early, but doesn't often stay low, cause then he couldn't get all those PDs.
As for his speed and bend around the edge... Yes. I mean, what needs to be said here really? It is all very good. Speed, bend, first step. Check. Check. Check. His ability to change direction quickly is note worthy. Rarely does he out run a play, and when he does he has the speed to recover and maybe still make the play. As for his motor. He doesn't stop. He plays like a man dying of thirst and the only water in the world in inside the damn football. His hand fighting is okay, could use some work there... and i'd love to see the occasional spin through in. While he has a good cut back pass rush move going out to win, i think it is under utilized and can be further improved.
I have no idea why so people have him ranked in the 5th or 4th round. I have no idea what they are watching. David Bailey is a very similar player, and he is ranked by many as the top edge guy? What is the problem with Clev? Do they not like his face? Screw all that. The dude is a baller. I don't think he has the potential to improve as much on the run D side of things as Bailey, so he may need to take a seat more often, but he will see starter level snaps more or less all career long. IDK what anyone says. I love some Lubin. The man is a top 48 player. If you think not, I'd love to hear your reasoning for what i am missing.
Edit: I want to note i did debate on top 48 or top 64. it was really close. So he is right on that value line. Personally I'd be okay taking him at 48 with a trade up.. but much happier with him at 64 were i think he'd be a better value.
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