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I was sitting around thinking about this team and it was either do a mock offseason or beat the dog (I really love my dog), so here it is. The players listed under the positions are under contract, according to over the cap we have 43 under contract and $132.5M in cap space. I made 7 FA signings and 3 rounds of the draft and it will leave us roughly 20M. Please criticize away. Sorry the format looks crazy.

QB
RB
WR
TE
OT
OG
C
DT
OLB
ILB
CB
S
K
P
LS
May​
Mondre​
KB​
Henry​
Lowe​
Owenu​
Andrews​
Godchaux​
Jennings​
Bentley​
Gonzo​
Dugger​
Baringer​
Cardona​
Milton​
Gibson​
Polk​
Bell​
Wallace​
Strange​
J Andrews​
Barmore​
Tavai​
TakiTaki​
Marcus Jones​
Peppers​
Baker​
Sow​
L Smith​
White​
Leo​
Jacobs​
Dial​
Schooler​
Booty​
Layden​
E Johnson​
Bolden​
Mapu​
Pop​
robinson​
Roy​
Pettus​
FA​
Tee 3/90​
Hooper 1/3.5​
Robinson 2/40​
Smith 4/86​
Odeyingbo 3/20​
Austen 1/3.185 ROFR​
Slye 2/5.5​
Adebo 3/30​
Draft​
Tet​
Taylor​
Conerly​
Kennard​
Stutsman​
 
I was sitting around thinking about this team and it was either do a mock offseason or beat the dog (I really love my dog), so here it is. The players listed under the positions are under contract, according to over the cap we have 43 under contract and $132.5M in cap space. I made 7 FA signings and 3 rounds of the draft and it will leave us roughly 20M. Please criticize away. Sorry the format looks crazy.

QB
RB
WR
TE
OT
OG
C
DT
OLB
ILB
CB
S
K
P
LS
May​
Mondre​
KB​
Henry​
Lowe​
Owenu​
Andrews​
Godchaux​
Jennings​
Bentley​
Gonzo​
Dugger​
Baringer​
Cardona​
Milton​
Gibson​
Polk​
Bell​
Wallace​
Strange​
J Andrews​
Barmore​
Tavai​
TakiTaki​
Marcus Jones​
Peppers​
Baker​
Sow​
L Smith​
White​
Leo​
Jacobs​
Dial​
Schooler​
Booty​
Layden​
E Johnson​
Bolden​
Mapu​
Pop​
robinson​
Roy​
Pettus​
FA​
Tee 3/90​
Hooper 1/3.5​
Robinson 2/40​
Smith 4/86​
Odeyingbo 3/20​
Austen 1/3.185 ROFR​
Slye 2/5.5​
Adebo 3/30​
Draft​
Tet​
Taylor​
Conerly​
Kennard​
Stutsman​
Thanks for the effort. No idea how to read and respond.
 
I was sitting around thinking about this team and it was either do a mock offseason or beat the dog (I really love my dog), so here it is. The players listed under the positions are under contract, according to over the cap we have 43 under contract and $132.5M in cap space. I made 7 FA signings and 3 rounds of the draft and it will leave us roughly 20M. Please criticize away. Sorry the format looks crazy.

QB
RB
WR
TE
OT
OG
C
DT
OLB
ILB
CB
S
K
P
LS
May​
Mondre​
KB​
Henry​
Lowe​
Owenu​
Andrews​
Godchaux​
Jennings​
Bentley​
Gonzo​
Dugger​
Baringer​
Cardona​
Milton​
Gibson​
Polk​
Bell​
Wallace​
Strange​
J Andrews​
Barmore​
Tavai​
TakiTaki​
Marcus Jones​
Peppers​
Baker​
Sow​
L Smith​
White​
Leo​
Jacobs​
Dial​
Schooler​
Booty​
Layden​
E Johnson​
Bolden​
Mapu​
Pop​
robinson​
Roy​
Pettus​
FA​
Tee 3/90​
Hooper 1/3.5​
Robinson 2/40​
Smith 4/86​
Odeyingbo 3/20​
Austen 1/3.185 ROFR​
Slye 2/5.5​
Adebo 3/30​
Draft​
Tet​
Taylor​
Conerly​
Kennard​
Stutsman​
It's interesting. Hard for me to know who is who when looking at the more unfamiliar names, without first names. Not excited about the OT lineup.. I can see about 15 members of the current crop that I'm not sold onl
 
My big FA signings would be Trey Smith, Jedrick Wills, and Tee Higgins in that order...This team is so bad though, I think every position group can be improved upon
 
I cleaned it up to make it more readable. The players are not in any particular order, if they have yr/money they are a FA and if there is a round being the name they were in the 4-round mock. I think I hit several of the "needs" for this team other than coaching staff. The contracts can be structured to use or push cap space, so if desired they could end up with around 30M left in space after all of this.

Free Agency thoughts: We have to address the OL because it needs immediate help and the draft alone will not fix it, I chose Cam Robinson for LT because I feel like he is the one that will not be resigned right away. I went with Trey Smith because he played LG in college and well, he is just good, both Robinson and Smith get good push in the run game, so this should also help our RB's.
Bringing in Higgins is a no brainer, admittedly I was against signing Tee earlier in the year but after watching several of our WRs dropping passes and seemingly not fight really hard for the ball through contact it makes a tall sure-ish handed physical WR a need. The DL has been very lack putting pressure on the QB, so I added Odeyingbo who is 6'5 about 290 and has had 5,8,4 sacks the last 3 years respectively. I think Alex Austen is very promising and gave him a Right Of First Refusal offer and then Paulsen Adebo is a 6'1 CB with decent ball skills so not necessarily a shutdown (has been targeted 57 times and allowed 34 receptions. Then Slye just because we need a kicker.

Draft: I view Tet as a Tee Higgins type player with less physicality, but having 2 6'5 WRs should improve our RZ efficiency and allow our other WRs to play more in their appropriate positions. Josh Conerly is, imo the 2nd best LT in the draft but reviews on Conerly are all over the place. I had them get Robinson in FA kind of as a bridge LT in preparation for Conerly to take the reigns. We have 2 picks in the 3rd and I looked at the defense to grab Kennard who has 11.5 sacks this year, not very good in coverage so I am not married to this pick. The other 3rd rounder is Danny Stutsman who is essentially a Bentley replacement, very good against the run and scraping off trash at his feet. Then back to the offense for a TE with Mason Taylor mostly so Dolphin great Jason Taylor has to cheer for the Patriots. lmao
Please criticize and eviscerate as you see fit



QB​
Maye​
Milton​
RB​
Mondre​
Gibson​
WR​
KB​
Polk​
Baker​
Booty​
Pop​
Tee Higgins (4/$120M)​
Tet McMillan (1st round)​
TE​
Henry​
Bell​
Hooper (1/$3.5M)​
Mason Taylor(4th round)​
OT​
Lowe​
Wallace​
Cam Robinson (2/$40M)​
Josh Conerly (2nd round)​
OG​
Owenu​
Strange​
Layden Robinson​
Tyrese Robinson​
Sow​
Trey Smith (4/$86M)​
C​
D. Andrews​
Jake Andrews​
Lecitus Smith​
DL​
Godchaux​
Barmore​
White​
Eric Johnson​
Jaquelin Roy​
Dayo Odeyinbo (3/$20)​
OLB​
Jennings​
Tavai​
Titus Leo​
Kyle Kennard(3rd round)​
ILB​
Bentley​
Takitaki​
Curtis Jacobs​
Danny Stutsman(3rd round)​
CB​
Marcus Jones​
Marcellus Dial​
Isiah Bolden​
Alex Austen (1/$3.185M ROFR)​
Paulsen Adebo(3/$30M)​
Gonzo​
S​
Dugger​
Peppers​
Schooler​
Mapu​
Pettus​
K​
Slye (2/$5M)​
P​
Barringer​
LS​
Cardona​
 
@dliverey44 Why not Three to Fours years on Cam Robinson?? He'll be 30 plenty Football left.
 
@dliverey44 Why not Three to Fours years on Cam Robinson?? He'll be 30 plenty Football left.
My thinking was that Conerly would be ready for the starting role by then and it would be coming up on time to pay Maye, so the cheaper option is really the only reason. I would love then to get Ronnie Stanley over Cam Robinson, If they could get Stanley and Smith the left side of the OL would be a runners paradise. lol
 
i like the draft. wouldn't mind some beef at center and dline in later rds. if we end up at 1 i'm torn between hunter and trading a few spots back and not getting him tho tet would be a nice consolation.
 
I cleaned it up to make it more readable. The players are not in any particular order, if they have yr/money they are a FA and if there is a round being the name they were in the 4-round mock. I think I hit several of the "needs" for this team other than coaching staff. The contracts can be structured to use or push cap space, so if desired they could end up with around 30M left in space after all of this.

Free Agency thoughts: We have to address the OL because it needs immediate help and the draft alone will not fix it, I chose Cam Robinson for LT because I feel like he is the one that will not be resigned right away. I went with Trey Smith because he played LG in college and well, he is just good, both Robinson and Smith get good push in the run game, so this should also help our RB's.
Bringing in Higgins is a no brainer, admittedly I was against signing Tee earlier in the year but after watching several of our WRs dropping passes and seemingly not fight really hard for the ball through contact it makes a tall sure-ish handed physical WR a need. The DL has been very lack putting pressure on the QB, so I added Odeyingbo who is 6'5 about 290 and has had 5,8,4 sacks the last 3 years respectively. I think Alex Austen is very promising and gave him a Right Of First Refusal offer and then Paulsen Adebo is a 6'1 CB with decent ball skills so not necessarily a shutdown (has been targeted 57 times and allowed 34 receptions. Then Slye just because we need a kicker.

Draft: I view Tet as a Tee Higgins type player with less physicality, but having 2 6'5 WRs should improve our RZ efficiency and allow our other WRs to play more in their appropriate positions. Josh Conerly is, imo the 2nd best LT in the draft but reviews on Conerly are all over the place. I had them get Robinson in FA kind of as a bridge LT in preparation for Conerly to take the reigns. We have 2 picks in the 3rd and I looked at the defense to grab Kennard who has 11.5 sacks this year, not very good in coverage so I am not married to this pick. The other 3rd rounder is Danny Stutsman who is essentially a Bentley replacement, very good against the run and scraping off trash at his feet. Then back to the offense for a TE with Mason Taylor mostly so Dolphin great Jason Taylor has to cheer for the Patriots. lmao
Please criticize and eviscerate as you see fit



QB​
Maye​
Milton​
RB​
Mondre​
Gibson​
WR​
KB​
Polk​
Baker​
Booty​
Pop​
Tee Higgins (4/$120M)​
Tet McMillan (1st round)​
TE​
Henry​
Bell​
Hooper (1/$3.5M)​
Mason Taylor(4th round)​
OT​
Lowe​
Wallace​
Cam Robinson (2/$40M)​
Josh Conerly (2nd round)​
OG​
Owenu​
Strange​
Layden Robinson​
Tyrese Robinson​
Sow​
Trey Smith (4/$86M)​
C​
D. Andrews​
Jake Andrews​
Lecitus Smith​
DL​
Godchaux​
Barmore​
White​
Eric Johnson​
Jaquelin Roy​
Dayo Odeyinbo (3/$20)​
OLB​
Jennings​
Tavai​
Titus Leo​
Kyle Kennard(3rd round)​
ILB​
Bentley​
Takitaki​
Curtis Jacobs​
Danny Stutsman(3rd round)​
CB​
Marcus Jones​
Marcellus Dial​
Isiah Bolden​
Alex Austen (1/$3.185M ROFR)​
Paulsen Adebo(3/$30M)​
Gonzo​
S​
Dugger​
Peppers​
Schooler​
Mapu​
Pettus​
K​
Slye (2/$5M)​
P​
Barringer​
LS​
Cardona​
Good job on this, much easier to follow with the reformat. I’d be fine with the moves you project here, I like the idea of the Higgins-McMillen combination to hopefully force defenses to game plan and focus on the threat they’d pose. I’m not as high on Conerly as you but he certainly didn’t have any trouble last night that I saw against Abdul Carter who I’ve seen listed quite high in 2025 draft rankings. As much as they need a future LT1 at least Conerly has demonstrated he can play that position at the high end college level.

Since I’m not expecting Stanley or Alaric Jackson to get to free agency, I’d really like to see them land Robinson who I view as the best available LT prospectively coming on the market this next offseason. Regarding Trey Smith, that would be great also, anything to **** around with the Chiefs but is he proven as a LG? I don’t love the idea of Bob Kratch 2.0 signing for big money and not being able to play on the left side, the Pats have that already with Onwenu.

With that being said, I am deeply concerned that the Pats are still lacking in regard to OL coaching. So farthe Scott Peters record is (in my rather unastute view) one notable success getting Lowe to the point where he’s a serviceable player you’d expect them to keep as a backup. I’m OK with the Robinson project, overspending to keep Big Mike, taking a shot with Wallace. I certainly don’t blame Peters for Strange and Jake Andrews getting injured. My biggest grip with Peters is the mess they have with Sow this year. Additionally I assume Peters had some say in the debacle that was last offseason signing Okorafor and Leverett, keeping Anderson and Wheatley.
 
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Good job on this, much easier to follow with the reformat. I’d be fine with the moves you project here, I like the idea of the Higgins-McMillen combination to hopefully force defenses to game plan and focus on the threat they’d pose. I’m not as high on Conerly as you but he certainly didn’t have any trouble last night that I saw against Abdul Carter who I’ve seen listed quite high in 2025 draft rankings. As much as they need a future LT1 at least Conerly has demonstrated he can play that position at the high end college level.

Since I’m not expecting Stanley or Alaric Jackson to get to free agency, I’d really like to see them land Robinson who I view as the best available LT prospectively coming on the market this next offseason. Regarding Trey Smith, that would be great also, anything to **** around with the Chiefs but is he proven as a LG? I don’t love the idea of Bob Kratch 2.0 signing for big money and not being able to play on the left side, the Pats have that already with Onwenu.

With that being said, I am deeply concerned that the Pats are still lacking in regard to OL coaching. So farthe Scott Peters record is (in my rather unastute view) one notable success getting Lowe to the point where he’s a serviceable player you’d expect them to keep as a backup. I’m OK with the Robinson project, overspending to keep Big Mike, taking a shot with Wallace. I certainly don’t blame Peters for Strange and Jake Andrews getting injured. My biggest grip with Peters is the mess they have with Sow this year. Additionally I assume Peters had some say in the debacle that was last offseason signing Okorafor and Leverett, keeping Anderson and Wheatley.
Thanks, my nerdy ass is probably going to do this every 3 weeks or so, because the team building aspect interests me the most.

As far as Trey Smiths position, it is a mixed back.
In 2017 at Tennessee he played LT and RG and was named 2nd all SEC
2018 started 7 games at LT and then missed rest of season with blood clots
2019 started at LG and named all SEC 1st team
2020 started 10 games at LG
Drafted in 2021 and moved to RG and has stayed there (I presume to keep Thuney at LG)

In summation, I don't know if he can play LG.
 
Good job on this, much easier to follow with the reformat. I’d be fine with the moves you project here, I like the idea of the Higgins-McMillen combination to hopefully force defenses to game plan and focus on the threat they’d pose. I’m not as high on Conerly as you but he certainly didn’t have any trouble last night that I saw against Abdul Carter who I’ve seen listed quite high in 2025 draft rankings. As much as they need a future LT1 at least Conerly has demonstrated he can play that position at the high end college level.

Since I’m not expecting Stanley or Alaric Jackson to get to free agency, I’d really like to see them land Robinson who I view as the best available LT prospectively coming on the market this next offseason. Regarding Trey Smith, that would be great also, anything to **** around with the Chiefs but is he proven as a LG? I don’t love the idea of Bob Kratch 2.0 signing for big money and not being able to play on the left side, the Pats have that already with Onwenu.

With that being said, I am deeply concerned that the Pats are still lacking in regard to OL coaching. So farthe Scott Peters record is (in my rather unastute view) one notable success getting Lowe to the point where he’s a serviceable player you’d expect them to keep as a backup. I’m OK with the Robinson project, overspending to keep Big Mike, taking a shot with Wallace. I certainly don’t blame Peters for Strange and Jake Andrews getting injured. My biggest grip with Peters is the mess they have with Sow this year. Additionally I assume Peters had some say in the debacle that was last offseason signing Okorafor and Leverett, keeping Anderson and Wheatley.
Lowe started his improvement at the end of last year.
 
Lowe started his improvement at the end of last year.
I am actually in Lowe's corner. He is much improved in pass pro, but in the the run game he is so bad. While I admit that I am very high on Conerly he lacks puch in the run game. Conerly walls off rather than wins the LOS in run game.
 
I am actually in Lowe's corner. He is much improved in pass pro, but in the the run game he is so bad. While I admit that I am very high on Conerly he lacks puch in the run game. Conerly walls off rather than wins the LOS in run game.
Lowe's played hurt all year. Don't know how much that has impacted his play.
 
I'm not crazy about the idea of spending such cap on Robinson. Compare his PFF grades to Lowe's.

Cam Robinson's PFF page

Vedarian Lowe's PFF page

Robinson is clearly an upgrade from Lowe. Still, Robinson's a low end starter with a limited ceiling, where Lowe is a servicable swing tackle playing out of his depth. That said, I'm not sure adding a low end established starter does much for this line. I'd rather bring in Morgan Moses to play RT, then draft an LT in the top 5, move Onwenu back to guard, and go into 2025 with Lowe and Wallace as backups with potential to take over the RT spot in a year or two.

This means giving up the dream of drafting Hunter or Tet McMillian. I agree that the WRs are more impactful, but I see chasing WR in free agency and drafting OL as the path to a more complete offense.
 
I'm not crazy about the idea of spending such cap on Robinson. Compare his PFF grades to Lowe's.

Cam Robinson's PFF page

Vedarian Lowe's PFF page

Robinson is clearly an upgrade from Lowe. Still, Robinson's a low end starter with a limited ceiling, where Lowe is a servicable swing tackle playing out of his depth. That said, I'm not sure adding a low end established starter does much for this line. I'd rather bring in Morgan Moses to play RT, then draft an LT in the top 5, move Onwenu back to guard, and go into 2025 with Lowe and Wallace as backups with potential to take over the RT spot in a year or two.

This means giving up the dream of drafting Hunter or Tet McMillian. I agree that the WRs are more impactful, but I see chasing WR in free agency and drafting OL as the path to a more complete offense.

I agree. Add Higgins in 2025 FA and another WR in the 2026 Draft.
 
I'm not crazy about the idea of spending such cap on Robinson. Compare his PFF grades to Lowe's.

Cam Robinson's PFF page

Vedarian Lowe's PFF page

Robinson is clearly an upgrade from Lowe. Still, Robinson's a low end starter with a limited ceiling, where Lowe is a servicable swing tackle playing out of his depth. That said, I'm not sure adding a low end established starter does much for this line. I'd rather bring in Morgan Moses to play RT, then draft an LT in the top 5, move Onwenu back to guard, and go into 2025 with Lowe and Wallace as backups with potential to take over the RT spot in a year or two.

This means giving up the dream of drafting Hunter or Tet McMillian. I agree that the WRs are more impactful, but I see chasing WR in free agency and drafting OL as the path to a more complete offense.


From everything I've heard recently, Lowe isn't a swing tackle, he is a backup LT at best....Robinson is at least a starting level LT.

We have to get the OLine up to at least NFL starting quality, not top 10 (that should be the goal) but at this point we just need to get all the positions up to starting quality. LT is going to be the hardest to take care of, Robinson maybe the only starting caliber LT that hits FA, and there are no true day one starters in the draft (unless Campbell comes out of the combine with 32 7/8s arms)
 
From everything I've heard recently, Lowe isn't a swing tackle, he is a backup LT at best....Robinson is at least a starting level LT.

We have to get the OLine up to at least NFL starting quality, not top 10 (that should be the goal) but at this point we just need to get all the positions up to starting quality. LT is going to be the hardest to take care of, Robinson maybe the only starting caliber LT that hits FA, and there are no true day one starters in the draft (unless Campbell comes out of the combine with 32 7/8s arms)
Can robinson is starter quality but i definitely wouldn’t want to pay him what most LTs are looking to be paid now. I think he is slightly above average at best. But you are right about the rest of the line. I think aside from owenu everybody is else should be considered backups next year(I’m not counting Cole strange cause I don’t know how he’ll be at center).
 
I have since pivoted from Robinson to Alaric Jackson because he has performed better vs the pass and in the run game and is much younger. I have been toying around with the roster and contracts on over the cap and we can pretty much completely rebuild our OL in FA if the players test the market.

LT- Alaric Jackson 4/88M
LG- Trey Smith 4/84M. He played some LG in college and if he can't move to the Left because he has played so much on the right then **** Owenu
C- Drew Dalman 3/30M
LT- Jaylon Moore 3/18 I think he played RT in college but not 100% sure. If he can't play RT then competent backup LT

After these moves we would still have 73.5M, but the contracts could be structured to use more or less cap space. I would be content not signing Higgins and pursuing some upgrades on defense like Josh Sweat and Zach Baun.
 
I have since pivoted from Robinson to Alaric Jackson because he has performed better vs the pass and in the run game and is much younger. I have been toying around with the roster and contracts on over the cap and we can pretty much completely rebuild our OL in FA if the players test the market.

LT- Alaric Jackson 4/88M
LG- Trey Smith 4/84M. He played some LG in college and if he can't move to the Left because he has played so much on the right then **** Owenu
C- Drew Dalman 3/30M
LT- Jaylon Moore 3/18 I think he played RT in college but not 100% sure. If he can't play RT then competent backup LT

After these moves we would still have 73.5M, but the contracts could be structured to use more or less cap space. I would be content not signing Higgins and pursuing some upgrades on defense like Josh Sweat and Zach Baun.
Josh Sweat and Zach Braun sound great.
 
Can robinson is starter quality but i definitely wouldn’t want to pay him what most LTs are looking to be paid now. I think he is slightly above average at best. But you are right about the rest of the line. I think aside from owenu everybody is else should be considered backups next year(I’m not counting Cole strange cause I don’t know how he’ll be at center).

The problem is that Robinson is probably the best LT that is going to be available, he is going to get paid.
 
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