PostGame Thread 2024 Preseason Game One: Patriots Win 17-3 over Carolina

[Lavictoire]

Struggling to understand zappe getting so much playing time. As for joint practices a yr ago they were criticized for too much fighting.

I was thinking they want him as the backup after Brissett.

 

[n1997y]

@Wozzy Nice analysis

Agreed.

Wozzy, if you keep that up you’ll be an excellent replacement for PatsFanKen’s posts.

 

[n1997y]

I think Zappe is out there that long for two reasons:
1) for them to get a sense of if his experience and brief flashes are enough that he warrants a place on the team at QB2/3. The OLine is not great, and QB injuries are a legitimate risk. I don’t think he did. The 12-20 for a little more than 100 yards is a reminder of who he is.
2) they are auditioning him to teams for a potential trade/draft swap: Zappe and a 7th for a 6th. That also seems less likely to me now.

I think it was also they know what Zappe is so he gave them a good baseline to evaluate the rest of the offense without putting Brissett or Maye at risk in the rain. They know how they’re going to handle QB, Briskett will be starting and Maye won't, so no need to play either of them behind a questionable OL in bad weather.

 

[n1997y]

Maye is raw and needs as many reps as he can get. I noticed opposing mediocre to bad teams doing this during the dynasty years where they'd pull their guys after a drive or so while Brady would be playing an entire half. Last night was a "be careful what you wish" for moment. While I was getting tired of Bill, I knew I had to be careful for what was to come next and this new regime just looks lost. They're going to get a rude awakening week 1 in Cincy.

Maye has a whole year to get reps before he’ll be starting.

 

[n1997y]

Got to coach better, got to execute better...oh wait that was last seasons post game pressers. Sure as hell won't miss those.

Both valid points.

 

[pazrul72]

Football is a curious sport. Your coaches suck, the OL sucks, when your QB sucks. Conversely, your coaches look great, and so does your OL, when your QB is great.

I'm going to say something blasphemous on here: Scarnecchia coached an OL that played in front of Brady. They were bringing guys in off the scrapheap. Compton, Jennings, Donald Thomas, finding guys in the 7th round, Koppen, off the street, Connolly, Neal, etc. He was either the greatest OL in history or he coached an OL in front of a guy that got rid of the ball in 2 seconds.

See this is the sort of Brady was a god we win zero super bowls without him crap that pisses me off. Ask anyone who knows OL play Scar was at least top 5 OL coach ever if not #1. The reason being he got scrap heap replacement level players to seamlessly sub in at a starter level quality. Im not saying he made everyone an all pro, he didnt, there is only so much magic that can be done but go rewatch some 2007 footage, the only reason Brady had the year he had was the brick ****ing wall in front of him, giving him 5-8 seconds routinely. I was surprised how good it was on rewatch as i had forgotten what those no names did. Listen to the man himself, what did Brady say at his Pats HOF speech about OL play? He teared up and said from the bottom of my heart thank you for doing everything in your power to keep me safe. IMO it was the most real genuine thing he said the entire 20 mins he was talking. More then coaching, RBs, TEs, WRs he was most appreciative of the big guys in front of him. Dismissing them because they turned into no names after they left should reinforce how good Scar was at getting them to play as a unit better then thier parts.

 

[upstater1]

See this is the sort of Brady was a god we win zero super bowls without him crap that pisses me off. Ask anyone who knows OL play Scar was at least top 5 OL coach ever if not #1. The reason being he got scrap heap replacement level players to seamlessly sub in at a starter level quality. Im not saying he made everyone an all pro, he didnt, there is only so much magic that can be done but go rewatch some 2007 footage, the only reason Brady had the year he had was the brick ****ing wall in front of him, giving him 5-8 seconds routinely. I was surprised how good it was on rewatch as i had forgotten what those no names did. Listen to the man himself, what did Brady say at his Pats HOF speech about OL play? He teared up and said from the bottom of my heart thank you for doing everything in your power to keep me safe. IMO it was the most real genuine thing he said the entire 20 mins he was talking. More then coaching, RBs, TEs, WRs he was most appreciative of the big guys in front of him. Dismissing them because they turned into no names after they left should reinforce how good Scar was at getting them to play as a unit better then thier parts.

The lame thing about this discussion is that it's all or nothing with you guys.

Let me say this again: I never said your first sentence at all.

Why do people do this?
Read what's written and then respond.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Clearly Mac was not good. He was functional with JMD, his demise and the total collapse of the offense corresponded with the coaching mess. Despite the issues, this year feels much better with upgrades at QB and a coaching staff that has clear roles and much less discord.

Mac collapsed at the end of his rookie year when defenses changed their approach. Mac was only functional the first few months of his rookie year until defenses stuffed the box. Mac's demise was clear way before there was any coaching change, but people want to tell that narrative so they keep repeating the same nonsense.

OBrien was always a great offensive coach. There was no coaching discord with OBrien.

Mac was not ruined. Mac is not an NFL starting QB. Mac sucks in the NFL. I have no idea why people are still defending Mac.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Mac collapsed at the end of his rookie year when defenses changed their approach. Mac was only functional the first few months of his rookie year until defenses stuffed the box. Mac's demise was clear way before there was any coaching change, but people want to tell that narrative so they keep repeating the same nonsense.

OBrien was always a great offensive coach. There was no coaching discord with OBrien.

Mac was not ruined. Mac is not an NFL starting QB. Mac sucks in the NFL. I have no idea why people are still defending Mac.

I agree that teams figured out Mac and that he is not going to be a good NFL starter. That said, nothing happens in a vacuum. Having giant clusters at QB, OL and WR coach did not help him play to his limited potential. The last two positions were not addressed until this year.

At the end of the day there were three related issues that took the team completely off the rails, the QB drafted to be the the starter did not cut it in the NFL, coaching gaps across the whole offense and lack of talent at key positions. It is not defending Mac to recognize that he was put in a tough position. His lack of mental toughness and leadership skills coupled with his limited physical skills were exposed over and over again. The irony is that the MP experiment saved Mac's job after year two because the coaching fiasco clouded the fact he was a major part of the problem. After seeing similar results under O'Brien there was no doubt about the QB.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I agree that teams figured out Mac and that he is not going to be a good NFL starter. That said, nothing happens in a vacuum. Having giant clusters at QB, OL and WR coach did not help him play to his limited potential. The last two positions were not addressed until this year.

At the end of the day there were three related issues that took the team completely off the rails, the QB drafted to be the the starter did not cut it in the NFL, coaching gaps across the whole offense and lack of talent at key positions. It is not defending Mac to recognize that he was put in a tough position. His lack of mental toughness and leadership skills coupled with his limited physical skills were exposed over and over again. The irony is that the MP experiment saved Mac's job after year two because the coaching fiasco clouded the fact he was a major part of the problem. After seeing similar results under O'Brien there was no doubt about the QB.

I agree with all of that except Max "was a major part of the problem". Mac was THE major problem.

How did Mac look good in the first months of his rookie year if the OL and WRs were so bad? The OL and WRs got worse during Mac's rookie year? Or was Mac THE major problem and talking about all the other minor issues clouds the major issue that Mac sucks?

 

[reflexblue]

Agreed.

Wozzy, if you keep that up you’ll be an excellent replacement for PatsFanKen’s posts.

Has PFK been cut?

 

[n1997y]

Has PFK been cut?

I thought he retired, in a major blow to the roster here.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I agree with all of that except Max "was a major part of the problem". Mac was THE major problem.

How did Mac look good in the first months of his rookie year if the OL and WRs were so bad? The OL and WRs got worse during Mac's rookie year? Or was Mac THE major problem and talking about all the other minor issues clouds the major issue that Mac sucks?

I actually want you to be right. There is no doubt that Mac was terrible, beyond having a weak arm. He sabotaged the team on a weekly basis. The last time the Pats had a QB that bad they got the #1 pick so there is a correlation. If it was that simple BB would still have a job and no one would be concerned about OL or WR this year.

 

[Lavictoire]

See this is the sort of Brady was a god we win zero super bowls without him crap that pisses me off. Ask anyone who knows OL play Scar was at least top 5 OL coach ever if not #1. The reason being he got scrap heap replacement level players to seamlessly sub in at a starter level quality. Im not saying he made everyone an all pro, he didnt, there is only so much magic that can be done but go rewatch some 2007 footage, the only reason Brady had the year he had was the brick ****ing wall in front of him, giving him 5-8 seconds routinely. I was surprised how good it was on rewatch as i had forgotten what those no names did. Listen to the man himself, what did Brady say at his Pats HOF speech about OL play? He teared up and said from the bottom of my heart thank you for doing everything in your power to keep me safe. IMO it was the most real genuine thing he said the entire 20 mins he was talking. More then coaching, RBs, TEs, WRs he was most appreciative of the big guys in front of him. Dismissing them because they turned into no names after they left should reinforce how good Scar was at getting them to play as a unit better then thier parts.

It's a team game, a team effort.