PostGame Thread 2023 Week 8: Patriots fall 31-17 to the Dolphins

[venecol]

Wouldn't it be funny if Mac had a solid career after us?

That's not happening. There's a reason a lot of teams passed on him. He needs perfect conditions to excel. Not realistic.

 

[lancerman]

Wouldn't it be funny if Mac had a solid career after us?

Can we be real? There's almost no chance Mac or anyone in his camp is happy he is on this team right now. He has junk weapons, a junk offensive line, and 3 different OC's in 3 years. On top of that, he's constantly compared to Brady and the run they had here with him. Like look at the game today, he threw as many INT's as the opposing QB, the opposing QB also looked like crap whenever he had pressure, the difference was Hill and Waddle burned our defense when it mattered. People in here still think he's the main problem with the loss.

They are probably dying to get him somewhere else with talent and hope he gets a chance to get on the field. It would also be very hard for him to do worse somewhere else right now. Even if he ultimately never becomes a solid franchsie QB, this isn't the place for him or anybody else to succeed right now.

 

[venecol]

Bottom line: our offensive line is a dumpster fire and completely substandard! offensive plays do not have time to develop and our receivers struggle to create separation!

MIA OL was worse than ours. Didn't affect Tua.

 

[lancerman]

That's not happening. There's a reason a lot of teams passed on him. He needs perfect conditions to excel. Not realistic.

He's never had perfect conditions. He had a winning record in 2021 with a decentish squad that was nothing special.

The only QB that is guaranteed to win on this team right now is Mahomes. And it at best would be a .500 level team. Any other good QB and it's such a steep decline in talent that you can't even give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[lancerman]

MIA OL was worse than ours.

Mostert, Hill, Waddle make plays. And honestly, their offensive line is injured to hell and they were still pretty much on par with ours. Which is frankly a sad indictment of our players.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I understand they had a group pm with Ashley and she'd do their bidding too. Glad that's at least done, although they've seemed to do fine effecting their will in other ways.

I think I read from Ross or Ian said that didn’t happen. But, Ashley clearly had a hit list and was banning guys for no reason. She had plenty of warnings from posters to cool it, before they opened the floodgates on her which prompted her meltdown.

His profile comes up as empty for me.

And Crawhammer definitely had that ADHD.

It says the profile is unavailable so you might be right that he was banned. Usually I see “banned” under their name when you see their posts.

Maybe Kontra returns, but I could sense he was losing interest on this board as he mentioned a few times and his tagline of his “retirement tour”.

It’s a shame because this board is going to get more stale as posters age out and the Pats continue to lose.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

What this always neglects though is that they've spent 20 years with each other.

The only one that compares to this is Shula's 16 years with Marino. But they didn't win a single SB in that time. I consider Marino one of the 3 greatest QBs.

All the other top coaches we're talking about actually had a chance to try coaching other QBs during their prime. Chuck Noll for instance. Even Shula had many QBs before Marino.

To say he was only successful with Brady is to ignore the 20 years they spent together. If Brady had a 12 year career and Belichick did nothing for another 8 years, it would make more sense.

In Cleveland, they made the playoffs and even beat Parcells and the Patriots, before the owner pulled the rug out from under the team.

Of course. No other coach did more with their QB. But the issue is that the gap is TOO MUCH. I don't expect Bill to win a bunch of rings post Brady. But having 0 division titles and very few playoff appearances is just not acceptable.


Landry only had 10 years with Staubach as a starter. He made the NFL championships and NFC title games before and after him, over a span of 25 years.

Chuck Noll had only like 14 years with Bradshaw, whose elbow fell off. The Steelers still made an AFC title appearance afterwards

So those other guys could have won more if they had more time together. And they at least did something impressive or go far.

It's just hurts Bill's GOAT case, espeically since the reasons for his struggles are factors that were there even in Brady's prime

 

[Jlaff]

Good. It’s about time that scumbag was banned. Hopefully it’s permanent. This isn’t the first time that he has gone over the line and made comments about other poster’s family members.

Back in early 2022, we were arguing back-and-forth about some topic and things got a little bit heated. Kontra decided to take it two levels lower and for no reason other that being a nasty, despicable person at his core wrote multiple lewd comments about my wife in posts. In 15 years as a member here, I had never sent a message directly to Ian to complain about another poster but this time I did, because he disrespected a family member. Not sure if he was suspended at that time but he should’ve been.

F*ck that guy. Good riddance.

I guess now the healing can begin.

 

[lancerman]

We can trade w/ CAR to #2.

The trade from 4 to 2 is still going to be a lot. When the Jets went from 6th to 3rd with the Colts to get Darnold, it cost them their 6th overall, the 37th overall, and the 49th overall.

We can do it. But it's going to be a lot steeper than people realize.

 

[ralmat55]

we still have Mac supporters in the house?

Me.

 

[PATS16N0]

He's never had perfect conditions. He had a winning record in 2021 with a decentish squad that was nothing special.

The only QB that is guaranteed to win on this team right now is Mahomes. And it at best would be a .500 level team. Any other good QB and it's such a steep decline in talent that you can't even give them the benefit of the doubt.

This is legit genuine Mac Jones support delusion. Where TF do you even get this **** from? ****ing goober, Mac Jones, can’t win with this team so Mahomes barely scrapes .500 with it?

He had training wheels on his rookie season. You inflate the importance of some statistical positives when he didn’t do **** but get Tebow-stomped out of the playoffs.

But I’m sure that would have happened to Mahomes, too. I mean if Mac ****ing Jones can’t do it, obviously the cybernetic fusion of Tom Brady, Michael Vick and Superman wouldn’t stand a chance either.

 

[sb1]

Of course. No other coach did more with their QB. But the issue is that the gap is TOO MUCH. I don't expect Bill to win a bunch of rings post Brady. But having 0 division titles and very few playoff appearances is just not acceptable.


Landry only had 10 years with Staubach as a starter. He made the NFL championships and NFC title games before and after him, over a span of 25 years.

Chuck Noll had only like 14 years with Bradshaw, whose elbow fell off. The Steelers still made an AFC title appearance afterwards

So those other guys could have won more if they had more time together. And they at least did something impressive or go far.

It's just hurts Bill's GOAT case, espeically since the reasons for his struggles are factors that were there even in Brady's prime

I say Bill is the GOAT coach because I’m a Pats fan. Realistically there are several worthy arguments to make on both sides of that debate. But I think people are raising eyebrows right now that BB can’t seem to figure it out without TB12. Maybe getting a different GM so the 71 year old HC can focus on one job will help,

 

[RobertWeathers]

Me.

Ok. You are in the minority and thats fine.

Question though: Assuming he has an above average o-line, RB, WR corps and competent OC what is his ceiling? Top 10 QB?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Watched the end. After sack, Vaginas ran the ball 3 times and missed a fg. With <1 min & no TO left Wilson drove them between a couple of long passes and penalties to kick tying fg w/ 0:01 left. In OT vaginas went 3 & out, bad punt, then jete drove a bit & kicked winning fg.

The MetLife **** Bowl

It was one of the very worst advertisements for American football one could imagine.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I say Bill is the GOAT coach because I’m a Pats fan. Realistically there are several worthy arguments to make on both sides of that debate. But I think people are raising eyebrows right now that BB can’t seem to figure it out without TB12. Maybe a different GM so the 71 year old HC can focus on one job will help,

He absolutely is the GOAT coach but it doesn't mean he is the right coach for right now.

 

[sb1]

He absolutely is the GOAT coach but it doesn't mean he is the right coach for right now.

Couldn’t agree more. The job shouldn’t be a lifetime achievement award.

 

[venecol]

Can we be real? There's almost no chance Mac or anyone in his camp is happy he is on this team right now. He has junk weapons, a junk offensive line, and 3 different OC's in 3 years. On top of that, he's constantly compared to Brady and the run they had here with him. Like look at the game today, he threw as many INT's as the opposing QB, the opposing QB also looked like crap whenever he had pressure, the difference was Hill and Waddle burned our defense when it mattered. People in here still think he's the main problem with the loss.

They are probably dying to get him somewhere else with talent and hope he gets a chance to get on the field. It would also be very hard for him to do worse somewhere else right now. Even if he ultimately never becomes a solid franchsie QB, this isn't the place for him or anybody else to succeed right now.

I disagree on this. He scrambled for a 1st down and got out of the pocket and had completions. His throws were quick, accurate & with a lot of zip. I've watched QBs across the league that make plays when under pressure. Mac is just not good at it. He panics. His passes on the run are dangerous.

I agree conditions aren't ideal for him, which is apparently what he needs to be consistent.

 

[lancerman]

This is legit genuine Mac Jones support delusion. Where TF do you even get this **** from? ****ing goober, Mac Jones, can’t win with this team so Mahomes barely scrapes .500 with it?

He had training wheels on his rookie season. You inflate the importance of some statistical positives when he didn’t do **** but get Tebow-stomped out of the playoffs.

But I’m sure that would have happened to Mahomes, too. I mean if Mac ****ing Jones can’t do it, obviously the cybernetic fusion of Tom Brady, Michael Vick and Superman wouldn’t stand a chance either.

I don't want Mac here next year, so I don't know where you think I support him. I just don't have a remedial football knowledge and desperately want to believe swapping him out is a fix.

This team is not good. Mahomes came on a team with Hill and Kelce. The best WR and best TE in the league at that time and probably still are. The man running his offense stayed Andy Reid. He always had good offensive lines until the one time they got injured to hell in the playoffs (and then he got blown out).

Again Tua had Hill, Waddle, and Mostert today. He had the same amount of INT's as Mac. He had one less sack than Mac. He had 1 more TD than Mac. Two of his TD's came on Hill and Waddle burning their defender. We don't have dynamic players that do that. Mac didn't even have a statistically bad game today. 65%, 2TD, 1INT, 88 passer rating is pretty average. You really think you flip the script and put Tua here and Mac there that the outcome is different? You are on crack if you think that. THAT is delusional.

Bill Belichick built a junk team. He is paying for it now with these results.

 

[PATS16N0]

Brady also had an Orca pod effect where all the other super-predators ****ed off and stayed clear of the AFC East, just like the NFC cleared out right after he won a Super Bowl with Tampa, going through Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes.

The Brady factor was scary important.

Belichick’s legacy has objectively taken a massive hit. If you don’t believe that, you’re flat out wrong because you’re not going to find anyone with any credibility still crediting the coach over the quarterback, like was the case before simply because it took a lot of shine off the Patriots dynasty for being an alleged result of schematics instead of men.

 

[VJCPatriot]

This is legit genuine Mac Jones support delusion. Where TF do you even get this **** from? ****ing goober, Mac Jones, can’t win with this team so Mahomes barely scrapes .500 with it?

The excuse-making for Mac Jones has been extreme. It reminds me of the constant defense of N'Keal Harry until that useless 1st round bust finally got shipped out of town.

I can understand the excuses for Mac Jones' year 2 because Patricia was completely clueless and should never have been named OC, that was BB's "brilliant" idea, but it's now year 3.

Mac has got a proper OC in BOB now. And he still can't step up. 2-6 is a 25% win rate. The Patriots offense has also failed to score even 20 points 75% of the time. Is it 'all' on Mac. No, but is it a 'lot' on Mac as the 'pilot' of the airplane? Yes it is, and continuing to deny the fact that you've got a backup level QB doesn't fix up his arm strength, his 'yips' in the face of pressure, or any other of his obvious flaws.