2018 Training Camp Thread - Day 14* (8/14/18)

[maineman209]

Patterson hasn't been doing PR's during camp and hasn't done it much during his career.

Point of fact: Patterson has returned exactly one punt in the NFL regular season. Nine yards.

 

[Mack Herron]

One WR called out positively:

Devin Lucien has been one of the Patriots' most impressive receivers. This is his third training camp in New England, and he clearly has improved each year. Lucien is well-built at 6-foot-2, 200 pounds. He's a smooth route-runner who possesses speed to stretch the field. He might have a case to make the 53-man roster.

Patriots training camp wrap-up: Impressions at each position

 

[PatsFan2]

Great for Devin Lucien would love to hear him working with Brady and the ones.

 

[PatsFan2]

One WR called out positively:


Patriots training camp wrap-up: Impressions at each position

WR Riley McCarron better show something tomorrow night and next Friday. He's been consistently with the ones but plays like he should be with the threes.

 

[Deus Irae]

Your making my point we have a trio as good as the 7 best you just listed yet I'm supposed to panic because Dorsett, Britt, or Patterson aren't Danny Amendola.

I didn't make your point at all. I showed your claim to be false. You're now embarrassing yourself. I suggest you take a lap.

 

[signbabybrady]

I didn't make your point at all. I showed your claim to be false. You're now embarrassing yourself. I suggest you take a lap.

I never claimed there weren't other good trios so I don't think you showed anything. You on the other hand present 7 groups that you yourself said were right up there then still want to panic.

 

[TomPatriot]

Patterson have been absolute garbage WR in every place he's been and some here was acting like he's the second coming. If he couldn't perform in more simplistic Offense: there is no way in hell he was going to perform here.

To call him absolute garbage is unfair. The guy has been to the Pro Bowl twice as a KR and he’s only played for two teams. BB thinks he can coach him up and that’s why he acquired his services. Patterson spent two months before camp working with Jed Hardigan on speed and performance and had an intense three day sesssion with Rich Mann on route running. He learned stuff about route running no one ever taught him before. In camp, he does everything they ask of him. He has Dez Bryant’s size and Brandin Cooks’ speed. That’s why “some here” are high on him.

 

[maineman209]

One WR called out positively:


Patriots training camp wrap-up: Impressions at each position

Duffy completely skipped Ryan Lewis.

 

[catent]

Duffy completely skipped Ryan Lewis.

And claimed Duke Dawson didn't play any snaps in the preseason opener, an objectively false statement.

Not the best journalism it appears.

 

[luuked]

BB thinks he can coach him up and that’s why he acquired his services.

I think you are referring to the infamous "we will make you the player you should be" quote from BB. Right ? According to Curran/Perry that was a total fabrication that never happened.



He was acquired first and foremost for his ST contributions and potential as a KR under new rules.

He has Dez Bryant’s size and Brandin Cooks’ speed.

The problem is that he seems also to have Dez's issue with route running. Also despite Cooks speed he seems to have issue separating creating separation. He is athletically a gifted player but just not a good wide receiver.

 

[goheels22002]

At WR? Or in general?

I'd say in general this team has top end talent - 8 straight AFCC appearances and three SB appearances in four years would suggest this is not a flash in the pan team with average or below talent. Teams can only pay so many top guys.

Who? Brady, Gronk, Edelman, White, Andrews, Hightower, McCourty, Gilmore, Chung, Slater, Gostkowski, Allen

The coaching staff certainly has top end talent - Belichick, Scarnecchia and McDaniels are arguably the best at their jobs in the NFL.

But so what? Belichick correctly points out, particularly in the salary cap era, "We're building a team, not collecting talent." If you asked the question, which teams in general have the best depth players, the Patriots are in the top three. When guys like Eric Decker, Jason McCourty, Vince Valentine, Deatrich Wise, Kenny Britt, Duron Harmon, Mike Gillislee, and Danny Shelton are on your second team or may get cut because they're being challenged by less heralded players, the depth is good.

 

[maineman209]

I think you are referring to the infamous "we will make you the player you should be" quote from BB. Right ? According to Curran/Perry that was a total fabrication that never happened.



He was acquired first and foremost for his ST contributions and potential as a KR under new rules.



The problem is that he seems also to have Dez's issue with route running. Also despite Cooks speed he seems to have issue separating creating separation. He is athletically a gifted player but just not a good wide receiver.

At this point, I'd guess that Patterson sees 12-24 tgts and +/- 12 handoffs for the season. However, he may see a fair amount of snaps above that if his blocking is as good as it's reputed to be. If nothing else, McD seems likely to exploit Patterson's ability to line up almost anywhere as another misdirection tool.

 

[luuked]

At this point, I'd guess that Patterson sees 12-24 tgts and +/- 12 handoffs for the season. However, he may see a fair amount of snaps above that if his blocking is as good as it's reputed to be. If nothing else, McD seems likely to exploit Patterson's ability to line up almost anywhere as another misdirection tool.

I agree that if things go somewhat to plan his snaps-to-target ratio might be totally whacky as I think he is more useful as chess piece than as an actual receiving option.

Now if despite everything he can actually put a couple of reception on tape things become very interesting.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree that if things go somewhat to plan his snaps-to-target ratio might be totally whacky as I think he is more useful as chess piece than as an actual receiving option.

Now if despite everything he can actually put a couple of reception on tape things become very interesting.

Depends on the kind of targets. I could see him getting a lot of WR screens, short slants and shallow crossing patterns to get the balll in his hands and make him a runner.
Despite someone misstating a comment B.B. was supposed to have made it’s a fact that he tries to get the most out of every players skillset. Patterson may not see many traditional WR looks, but there are ways to use what he does well.

 

[Kontradiction]

I'd say in general this team has top end talent - 8 straight AFCC appearances and three SB appearances in four years would suggest this is not a flash in the pan team with average or below talent. Teams can only pay so many top guys.

Who? Brady, Gronk, Edelman, White, Andrews, Hightower, McCourty, Gilmore, Chung, Slater, Gostkowski, Allen

The coaching staff certainly has top end talent - Belichick, Scarnecchia and McDaniels are arguably the best at their jobs in the NFL.

But so what? Belichick correctly points out, particularly in the salary cap era, "We're building a team, not collecting talent." If you asked the question, which teams in general have the best depth players, the Patriots are in the top three. When guys like Eric Decker, Jason McCourty, Vince Valentine, Deatrich Wise, Kenny Britt, Duron Harmon, Mike Gillislee, and Danny Shelton are on your second team or may get cut because they're being challenged by less heralded players, the depth is good.

Tom Brady.

If we're judging talent to be "top end", I would say...

1. Offense: Brady, Gronk, Edelman (best "slot" receiver in the league [though he often lines up outside]), Trent Brown.
2. Defense: Gilmore, Hightower, McCourty.
3. ST: Gost.

Defensively, Wise could make that jump to "top end" talent this year depending on how his second year in the league goes. Maybe you could make the argument for Flowers as well although, to this point, he's seemed to be a better complimentary piece. I would suppose that our definitions of "top end" talent might differ, but I would never list White, Andrews, Chung, Slater, or Allen on that list. Those are reaches. Furthermore, even without a lot of "top end" talent elsewhere, the GOAT has traditionally been able to cover up personnel weaknesses with his play.

 

[maineman209]

I agree that if things go somewhat to plan his snaps-to-target ratio might be totally whacky as I think he is more useful as chess piece than as an actual receiving option.

Now if despite everything he can actually put a couple of reception on tape things become very interesting.

The first time that Patterson turns a 3-yd reception into a 15-20yd gain by running through and over defenders, it sets up everything that comes after that.

 

[TomPatriot]

I think you are referring to the infamous "we will make you the player you should be" quote from BB. Right ? According to Curran/Perry that was a total fabrication that never happened.



He was acquired first and foremost for his ST contributions and potential as a KR under new rules.



The problem is that he seems also to have Dez's issue with route running. Also despite Cooks speed he seems to have issue separating creating separation. He is athletically a gifted player but just not a good wide receiver.

Made it up? Really? Here is Patterson making that statement: Cordarrelle Patterson: Bill Belichick told me 'we'll make you the player you should be'

He says he was paraphrasing but he wasn't making it up. They way he talked about it is pretty credible to me.

He's working on route running and part of that is to get off the line quicker, which he worked on for two months. We'll see and you may wind up right, but I think there is reason for optimism.

 

[PatsFan2]

On Patterson Gadget plays don't work every time and when a Team uses it: most times it's to catch the D off Guard. So when Patterson is in there I expect the D to take notice...they get paid to play too.

 

[Bruins29]

I expect the D to take notice...

Yes! That's the idea. If you took less time being a negative idiot about everything on here you would see the stupidity in a lot of your posts.

 

[PatsFan2]

Made it up? Really? Here is Patterson making that statement: Cordarrelle Patterson: Bill Belichick told me 'we'll make you the player you should be'

He says he was paraphrasing but he wasn't making it up. They way he talked about it is pretty credible to me.

He's working on route running and part of that is to get off the line quicker, which he worked on for two months. We'll see and you may wind up right, but I think there is reason for optimism.

Patterson still catching Balls with CB's draped over him no separation if you can't gain separation it's going to be tough sledging in this league. CB's who use their hands well and most are taught to will just negate Patterson more times than not. The news out of Foxboro is that Patterson haven't connected with Brady or been with ones since the first week of Preseason.