2018 Training Camp Thread - Day 12 (8/13/18)

[bbobbo]

If Eddie beats Richards for a roster spot, I may have to buy his jersey.

it would be a pleasant surprise
.

 

[Brick27]

it would be a pleasant surprise
.

What you did there....I see it.

 

[captain stone]

It's not "hatred". I don't "hate" the Jete. I just think their ownership is hopelessly (though, amusingly) stupid. The reason I said that Darnold looked like "The Sanchize" is that - in that game - he seemed extremely uncomfortable in the pocket, and seemed far more confident and accurate when he bolted to the outside, even when throwing on the run.

The parallel is there.

Also, "Not saying that Darnold can't get better," seems to me like it should have made it clear that I'm not predicting the same desultory career arc. However, there's another parallel - pretty much out of Darnold's control - that may make whatever "promise" he has less relevant. That circles back to Jete ownership.

If Johnson the Younger believes that the team risks losing significant revenue this season by making Bridgewater the starter over Darnold, then Darnold will start, despite any potential misgivings on the part of the coaching staff about how it might hurt his development. Again, that's not hatred. That comes from knowing what Jete ownership typically does. It's exactly what they did with (to) Sanchez.

And we can add the time-honored tradition of USC QBs being not exactly the hardest workers in the room. Distractions, and all that.

 

[captain stone]

Not sure he's the captain's "binky".

He's no Kenny Vaccaro, but if the choice becomes he or Glitch Richards, then...

EDDIE, MY MAN!!!

 

[maineman209]

And we can add the time-honored tradition of USC QBs being not exactly the hardest workers in the room. Distractions, and all that.

It's not referred to as the University of Spoiled Children for nuthin'.

 

[luuked]

Since there isn't a new daily thread yet I will put those two things here:



Sounds like we might get maybe 2-3 series where we can properly judge some of the WRs this time.



Sounds like Rosenhaus or Gronk Inc. is leaking.

 

[luuked]

Also this might be of slight importance:

 

[jah]

Also this might be of slight importance:

Patriots QB Pledges To Play At Least Through 2020 Season

 

[Kontradiction]

Both are not nfl WRs.

You used to say that about Edelman, too...

Is Keeping Hernandez and Gronkowski the Reason Welker is Without an Extension?

You are comparing one of the few most productive WRs in the NFL to a guy who makes his living on special teams and isn't an NFL caliber WR.
All white guys aren't the same.

Hopefully your take on one of those two goes as swimmingly as your Edelman take a few years ago.

 

[jah]

You used to say that about Edelman, too...

Is Keeping Hernandez and Gronkowski the Reason Welker is Without an Extension?



Hopefully your take on one of those two goes as swimmingly as your Edelman take a few years ago.

Let's be real though. Edelman had shown hundreds of times more at that point in time than McCarron has by now. "Edelman isn't an NFL caliber WR" was always a stupid take. "McCarron isn't an NFL caliber WR" is premature but we've seen just about no reason to believe it's not true.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Also this might be of slight importance:

I think we should set up a pool.

Do they let him play out 2019 under the current deal ($27m cap hit, $12m if gone, $0 hit in 2020) and franchise him at ~$23m in 2020?

Do they rip up 2019 and extend him through 2020?

 

[Kontradiction]

Let's be real though. Edelman had shown hundreds of times more at that point in time than McCarron has by now. "Edelman isn't an NFL caliber WR" was always a stupid take. "McCarron isn't an NFL caliber WR" is premature but we've seen just about no reason to believe it's not true.

I agree on McCarron but it’s too early to make that proclamation for Berrios.

 

[luuked]

I think we should set up a pool.

Do they let him play out 2019 under the current deal ($27m cap hit, $12m if gone, $0 hit in 2020) and franchise him at ~$23m in 2020?

Do they rip up 2019 and extend him through 2020?

It depends on how much Brady plays ball with respect to guarantees. 2 year deals at least give them some (limited) flexibility to play with structure a bit.

I would also not be surprised if the older Brady gets the more they try to split up various roster bonuses into stages of the preseason so they can have a good look at how much the offseason potentially affected him before he reaches the next stage of guarantees.

It all depends on how much of this Brady is comfortable with.

 

[long distance]

I think we should set up a pool.

Do they let him play out 2019 under the current deal ($27m cap hit, $12m if gone, $0 hit in 2020) and franchise him at ~$23m in 2020?

Do they rip up 2019 and extend him through 2020?

The one most likely to franchise Brady in 2020 would be Gisele

 

[long distance]

mature as advertised

Q: “You really stood out the other night . how do you build off of that performance going forward?“
B: “.. by not worrying about it...“

 

[maineman209]

The one most likely to franchise Brady in 2020 would be Gisele

I wonder how many modeling contracts she already has lined up for him.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It depends on how much Brady plays ball with respect to guarantees. 2 year deals at least give them some (limited) flexibility to play with structure a bit.

I would also not be surprised if the older Brady gets the more they try to split up various roster bonuses into stages of the preseason so they can have a good look at how much the offseason potentially affected him before he reaches the next stage of guarantees.

It all depends on how much of this Brady is comfortable with.

I dunna know. I think they'll try to accommodate Tom as much as they can but ultimately its not what Tom is comfortable with. As it pertains to managing the cap and cash payouts its up to the team.

 

[bormio]

You used to say that about Edelman, too...

Is Keeping Hernandez and Gronkowski the Reason Welker is Without an Extension?



Hopefully your take on one of those two goes as swimmingly as your Edelman take a few years ago.

I was not on the board then, but something told me a quote like this existed. I was not wrong.

 

[Kontradiction]

I was not on the board then, but something told me a quote like this existed. I was not wrong.

Quite a few of us were wrong about Edelman.

 

[luuked]

I dunna know. I think they'll try to accommodate Tom as much as they can but ultimately its not what Tom is comfortable with. As it pertains to managing the cap and cash payouts its up to the team.

That is kinda what I was attempting to say. The team will want to limit guarantees to points where they feel comfortable they can do an informed projection of him ( e.g. via OTAs or even camp) whereas he will want them guaranteed as soon as possible. If they can find some compromise (injury splits, incentives) then I see no reason why they can't continue multiyear extensions but it sounds like the current adjustment with those 5m incentives was already a months long struggle.