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You are the one who can’t let it go. You made a comment, I gave my opinion backed with factual information, you stated crying. And you keep responding.
A different level of aggressiveness is a different philosophy and scheme.
And how has he already “called it differently” if:
Seems you are contradicting yourself.
Time for you to give up.
Gilleslie dropped his head anticipating the hit from defender didn’t he?! He didn’t drop his head aggressively I don’t think.....anyways Zo trying to insinuate that Gilleslie initiated contact? I’m confused
To be fair it is impossible to know how Patricia would call his defense if he had Clayborn, Rivers and a year-2 version of Wise. Not saying we won't be more aggressive but you can't just compare two different personnel groups and the calls that are being made.
But what definitely sounds to be happening if you listen to the player iviews is that the concepts are being simplified relative to Patricia to make players think less and play faster maybe at the expense of countering what the offense is doing perfectly. But this is an optimization problem anyway and needs to be balanced.
You might have the perfect play against each formation an opponent can come up with but you can't expect your players to keep all of those in their mind and work perfectly in sync. At the same time if your defense becomes too generic (i.e. play the same defense against everything) your players might be fast and know what to do at all times but will not be in ideal position to stop certain plays.
To be fair it is impossible to know how Patricia would call his defense if he had Clayborn, Rivers and a year-2 version of Wise. Not saying we won't be more aggressive but you can't just compare two different personnel groups and the calls that are being made.
But definitely sounds to be happening if you listen to the player iviews is that the concepts are being simplified relative to Patricia to make players think less and play faster maybe at the expense of countering what the offense is doing perfectly. But this is an optimization problem anyway and needs to be balanced.
You might have the perfect play against each formation an opponent can come up with but you can't expect your players to keep all of those in their mind and work perfectly in sync. At the same time if your defense becomes too generic (i.e. play the same defense against everything) your players might be fast and know what to do at all times but will not be in ideal position to stop certain plays.
Don't have to compare two different groups to see that a different style of defense is being employed.
For example, Flores has his players play a lot closer to the line than Patricia does (part of this "aggressiveness"). That's one of the difference in their styles which has nothing to do with personnel or "schemes."
I never thought I would say this but Jordan Richards showed exactly how to play when you get beat. Don't panic and try to make a play on the ball. The first one especially when he just lost track of the ball and ran into the Philly WR way too early was totally unnecessary.
But it will be a great learning opportunity for him. He looked solid for what he was tasked with.
Richards is one of the smartest players on the field with lots of experience. Give Crossen that time and he'll make that play as well. The difference is (albeit at different position) that Crossen is always around the ball, competitive every snap, almost never misses an angle when tackling .. unlike Richards unfortunately
Id guess his competitive route defending on most part and impressive solo tackling record outweigh his DPIs by significant margin in Flores' book.
And as you say . it was a great learning experience.
If you want to put a DB in the down/bad column you have Wiltz as a clear frontrunner and a bunch of weak showings throughout the 2-3 string board incl. JC unfortunately..
Well last nights did not answer our concerns at WR it left more questions ??? Decker looks Done can't get open against guys who will be in the unemployment line. I expect some sort of Trade in a day or two we have extra draft picks. Seriously BB cannot do this to Brady our WR's minus Edelman and Hogan is embarrassing. IF Coraderralle Patterson is looking like a comparable WR that tells you how bad the rest are.
To be fair it is impossible to know how Patricia would call his defense if he had Clayborn, Rivers and a year-2 version of Wise. Not saying we won't be more aggressive but you can't just compare two different personnel groups and the calls that are being made.
Don't have to compare two different groups to see that a different style of defense is being employed.
For example, Flores has his players play a lot closer to the line than Patricia does (part of this "aggressiveness"). That's one of the difference in their styles which has nothing to do with personnel or "schemes."
Don't have to compare two different groups to see that a different style of defense is being employed.
For example, Flores has his players play a lot closer to the line than Patricia does (part of this "aggressiveness"). That's one of the difference in their styles which has nothing to do with personnel or "schemes."
Richards is one of the smartest players on the field with lots of experience. Give Crossen that time and he'll make that play as well. The difference is (albeit at different position) that Crossen is always around the ball, competitive every snap, almost never misses an angle when tackling .. unlike Richards unfortunately
Id guess his competitive route defending on most part and impressive solo tackling record outweigh his DPIs by significant margin in Flores' book.
And as you say . it was a great learning experience.
If you want to put a DB in the down/bad column you have Wiltz as a clear frontrunner and a bunch of weak showings throughout the 2-3 string board incl. JC unfortunately..
I have given up on Wiltz to be honest. Same with Travis after this game. Not really worth to mention them anymore. They are developmental projects at best.
You two also need to remember that it’s preseason and the schemes are vanilla, for the most part. We’ve seen more “aggressive” defenses from Patricia in preseasons past only to see them revert to GTFB during the regular season.
You two also need to remember that it’s preseason and the schemes are vanilla, for the most part. We’ve seen more “aggressive” defenses from Patricia in preseasons past only to see them revert to GTFB during the regular season.
Well last nights did not answer our concerns at WR it left more questions ??? Decker looks Done can't get open against guys who will be in the unemployment line. I expect some sort of Trade in a day or two we have extra draft picks. Seriously BB cannot do this to Brady our WR's minus Edelman and Hogan is embarrassing. IF Coraderralle Patterson is looking like a comparable WR that tells you how bad the rest are.
I know you prefer to worry so I don't want to be too much of distraction there . but last night certainly showed Patterson will have a role and impact in this offence and that the fact he was not practicing more and playing more with Tom simply means he will be used in a way you don't want to put on tape early and you start adding in the late part of TC.
It also showed Hollister will be legit receiving option.
It also confirmed this O does not depend on WR play (even without Gronk). Everybody's receiving, everybody's blocking and there was some solid running after the catch..
Looks like Dorsett will be used to stretch the field on occasion even if he doesn't produce much. The fact that he remains quiet in his routs and more importantly shows poor effort after catching the ball is clearly not the best sign..
McCarron showed some slot blood so we'll see if he can take some of Jules absence . but its not like this O will depend on that..
You two also need to remember that it’s preseason and the schemes are vanilla, for the most part. We’ve seen more “aggressive” defenses from Patricia in preseasons past only to see them revert to GTFB during the regular season.
Agreed. If you're looking for optimism based on this game, I think you can look at some of the new or younger players winning their matchups as a good sign that they CAN be a little more aggressive, but nothing was revealed today about the Pats overall defensive philosophy. I'm not even sure they will know what that is until October or so.
Agreed. If you're looking for optimism based on this game, I think you can look at some of the new or younger players winning their matchups as a good sign that they CAN be a little more aggressive, but nothing was revealed today about the Pats overall defensive philosophy. I'm not even sure they will know what that is until October or so.
Absolutely. For me watching preseason games is about fundamentals and individual performances because everything is so basic. So far I have seen enough positives from young players of defense to be pretty optimistic.
I hope it is not that first down where they tried to setup a screen, Brady led him too far inside and Brown was already set up to block outside. That's the only (inbounds) reception I can remember and that was not on him the timing on that play was just totally off.
Edit: On rewatch Brady didn't lead him insight but the timing of blocks and the reception was off. Anyway juicy thing to discuss in rewatch thread.
