2017 Draft Prospect Thread

[TBR]

"I can't believe I have to lay this out for you . . ."

It's called differing opinions. I also don't expect football players to be saints. I have an extremely strict moral code for my personal life, but I certainly don't impose that on others who might not share my beliefs. Otherwise I'd fire most people on this team, other than Matthew Slater, who is a fine man and someone I respect immensely.

How is Vick's situation not comparable? You do know that Mixon was sentenced, right? He served 100 hours of community service and still goes to counseling. He was also suspended from the team for a year. That's pretty similar. The difference is that Vick was part of something premeditated, and he persisted over time in breaking numerous laws as well as abusing animals, whereas Mixon got angry and punched back to an absurdly disproportionate degree when someone hit him. I'm not even remotely defending what he did -- it was awful judgement and he definitely deserved to be punished. Why are you arguing as though I'm excusing his actions? But he paid for his crimes, so why should he be further punished?

Okay, let's throw out the murders and rape and everything else that's not on video. There are still numerous players who have been jailed or at least convicted of crimes. That's inarguable, so I'm not even sure why you are mentioning that Vick is unique. It's not deflecting to discuss similar situations. I don't condone any part of what they did, but there are players on every single team who have questionable pasts. If they still have a chance at playing in the league, then I don't see why Mixon can't, either. What makes the NFL special, or some unique defender of morality? Should Mixon have the right to work at McDonald's? Or would you prefer that he not do anything at all? Where do you draw the line?

You mentioned the video, so I'll ask: how does seeing something on video make it worse than simply knowing it happened? If you know what occurred, but don't take exception to it unless there's a video, isn't that hypocritical? It seems like considerable cognitive dissonance. And if the league really cared about violence, then why is Tyreek Hill allowed to play? I would be pretty upset if the Patriots brought him in, to be honest; what he did is really terrible. That said, I'm not interested in taking away anyone's income. The Chiefs decided to pay him, so good for him. I hope he and his family have worked through the horrendous problems they face.

Oh, and I don't believe for a moment that the league actually takes a tough stance against domestic violence. The NFL probably shouldn't even be involved in legal matters, but since they do interfere, then they should be more consistent about it.

Let's talk about Randy Moss:


So, he hospitalized someone in a fight when he was 18. Sound familiar? How can you claim that it's not comparable? Did you cheer for him when he was here? If so, then why would you oppose Mixon ever getting a chance?

"You know very well this isn't a matter of his "right to employment" at all. It's purely moral."

Purely moral? This from a guy who regularly swears at our own players, and calls them "putrid" or "garbage"? I find that morally reprehensible on multiple levels. First of all, I don't approve of (or use) profanity. Also, what gives you the right to degrade another human being, just because they make a mistake in a game that you watch for entertainment? You're supposed to be a fan of this team, not someone who tears them down. Your sense of morality is pretty crazy, imo.

But beyond our personal disagreement on right and wrong, I'm not sure why you insist that I "know very well" that it's not about his right to employment, when that's exactly how I feel about it. There's nothing sacred about the NFL. They aren't moral gatekeepers. So let the kid play. He's talented. He should get a shot at using his skills to earn a living. Isn't that what's so great about America? Second chances?


Official Game Day Thread- Week 14 Ravens @ Pats

Official Game Day Thread- Week 14 Ravens @ Pats

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Floyd's crime was victimless, you say, so therefore he gets a second chance. Magnanimous of you, but it still seems like a double standard. For the record, I'm glad Floyd is here, from a football perspective; but from a life perspective, I think he should be checked into rehab. I sincerely hope he gets his life together. But I should point out that he hasn't even been prosecuted or charged yet. He has a pending legal case. Mixon's already concluded the legal case. He is still dealing with the civil suit, but he has had his day in court, and he pleaded guilty and has paid for his crime. That's why we have a rule of law. Holding something against someone after the conclusion of the matter seems pretty uncharitable.

You're free to have your own opinion, but I don't really appreciate you acting like we're a bunch of morons for not agreeing with you. So it goes.


Rodney disagrees with BB claiming Floyd

Rodney disagrees with BB claiming Floyd

Truly a laughable defense of an unequivocal woman beater. You've done nothing but deflect, throw around logical fallacies and of course, ad-hominems by bizarrely linking to month old posts of mine from a week 14 game day thread. I think that's pretty telling.

Keep going.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

More rationalizing and deflecting. Social/psych disorders? Seriously? Don't even try to equate that to knocking out a woman.

And you cannot confidently claim there is one unequivocal murderer or rapist in this league. You're trying hard to bring one (1) lone guy like Vick into this for "dog fighting", which isn't a comparable situation whatsoever (served jail time, long suspension). Then Roethlisberger, like it or not, is not an unequivocal "rapist" either. His first incident seemed especially bogus.

Like it or not, the video of Mixon makes a huge difference. It's not just "alleged" or clouded in hearsay or unsubstantiated claims like many others are. It's on video, we KNOW it happened. We SAW it happen.

Ray Rice? Gone. Josh Brown? Gone. Greg Hardy? Gone & won't be back, after the Cowboys embarrassed themselves with that signing. Why should a team even bother bringing Mixon into the league? Especially now that the league has since taken multiple anti-domestic violence stances with sponsored commercials & all.



You know very well this isn't a matter of his "right to employment" at all. It's purely moral.

I can't believe I have to lay this out for you, but guys in the league with "character concerns" (whether it be Jamie Collins, Dominique Easley or Randy Moss at one point) or someone who's been arrested for a victimless crime like Floyd, aren't remotely comparable.

There's no defending Mixon. You guys certainly haven't yet... only deflections and logical fallacies.

Not sure why this is a personal affront to you. We have been talking about this for weeks, and weighing all the available information.

I think he will get a shot and flourish, but i understand some teams not wanting to deal with the circus that will go with it. Many people will be conflicted about mixon for good reason, while others will always loathe him for this incident.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Truly a laughable defense of an unequivocal woman beater. You've done nothing but deflect, throw around logical fallacies and of course, ad-hominems by bizarrely linking to month old posts of mine from a week 14 game day thread. I think that's pretty telling.

I never set out to defend him. I'm trying to make sense of your position of morality vis-à-vis play playing in the NFL, and it's all a bit tangled up. Please point out the logical fallacies in my post. I tried to answer you point for point, and I'd appreciate the same courtesy in response. My main point has been that if he wants to work, then who are we to judge him when the courts already have?

The only reason I mentioned your previous posts are because they bothered me at the time, and they still do. Now you're judging someone else, when I sometimes find your attitude and communication offense. Yet I'm willing to listen to you. Why did you start off insulting our intelligence and demeaning our moral framework, if you're just going to point fingers when told that your behavior seems poor?

I quoted posts that have stuck with me, since they seemed relevant to your judge of moral character. If that bothers you, though, then I can remove them -- I don't intend to be personally antagonist to you, just because we disagree. We're rooting for the same team here, and we probably have very similar views about a variety of things. Sorry if I've offended you.

 

[TBR]

Not sure why this is a personal affront to you.

That's a pretty baseless assumption. Another ad-hominem. Speaks volumes about the general inability in here to defend the guy.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

That's a pretty baseless assumption. Another ad-hominem. Speaks volumes about the inability to defend the guy.

Why do I have to be his lawyer? I don't understand your need to be contrarian or feel like you have a moral high ground.

We are all just football fans from very different backgrounds. He's a prospect that did something horrible years ago.

the fact of the matter, there are a number of players drafted recently who have done similar acts. That doesn't make it right, but it does mean it's likely he will get drafted.

This is a draft board. He is a prospect. We talk about prospects.

The end.

 

[TBR]

Why do I have to be his lawyer? I don't understand your need to be contrarian or feel like you have a moral high ground.

We are all just football fans from very different backgrounds. He's a prospect that did something horrible years ago.

the fact of the matter, there are a number of players drafted recently who have done similar acts. That doesn't make it right, but it does mean it's likely he will get drafted.

This is a draft board. He is a prospect. We talk about prospects.

The end.

Being opposed to this guy playing in the NFL makes me a contrarian? What planet are you on?

a number of players drafted recently who have done similar acts.

A number? Maybe a small handful. Most of which would be alleged instances, not unequivocal & on video.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Being opposed to this guy playing in the NFL makes me a contrarian? What planet are you on?

Google Tyrell hill.

Google frank Clark

Those two guys are going to be instrumental to their teams playoff success this year. They got drafted in 14 and 15.

Mixon is going to be playing on Sunday's next year whether you or I or anyone else here thinks he shouldn't. Talent has always outweighed incidents, especially when those incidents happened in the distant past before they were pro's.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

More rationalizing and deflecting. Social/psych disorders? Seriously? Don't even try to equate that to knocking out a woman.

And you cannot confidently claim there is one unequivocal murderer or rapist in this league. You're trying hard to bring one (1) lone guy like Vick into this for "dog fighting", which isn't a comparable situation whatsoever (served jail time, long suspension). Then Roethlisberger, like it or not, is not an unequivocal "rapist" either. His first incident seemed especially bogus.

Like it or not, the video of Mixon makes a huge difference. It's not just "alleged" or clouded in hearsay or unsubstantiated claims like many others are. It's on video, we KNOW it happened. We SAW it happen.

Ray Rice? Gone. Josh Brown? Gone. Greg Hardy? Gone & won't be back, after the Cowboys embarrassed themselves with that signing. Why should a team even bother bringing Mixon into the league? Especially now that the league has since taken multiple anti-domestic violence stances with sponsored commercials & all


You're trying way too hard and you're terrible at it.

No one is deflecting or trying to equate anything. That's you putting words in my mouth.

And to top it off you're 100% wrong.

Are you really trying to say there's no rapists or murderers in the league?

So basically you believe in any statistics at all? Look at the people that play in the league and where they come from. Yes 1000000 ****in % there are most certainly those types in the league.

Maybe you should join us in the 2000's bc athletes have been charged with this very recently.


You bring up Vick. Wonderful, that only shows how naive you are. You think Michael Vick is the only guy associated w/ that?

Honestly do you watch football besides the Patriots? Have you heard about some of the guys around the league?

1) Do some research before commenting on things you clearly have no clue about.

2) Its a draft prospect thread and Mixon is a 1st talent.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Google Tyrell hill.

Google frank Clark

Those two guys are going to be instrumental to their teams playoff success this year. They got drafted in 14 and 15.

Mixon is going to be playing on Sunday's next year whether you or I or anyone else here thinks he shouldn't. Talent has always outweighed incidents, especially when those incidents happened in the distant past before they were pro's.

I was literally going to bring up their names and more but this person has no clue what their talking about.

 

[TBR]

Google Tyrell hill.

Google frank Clark

Those two guys are going to be instrumental to their teams playoff success this year. They got drafted in 14 and 15.

Mixon is going to be playing on Sunday's next year whether you or I or anyone else here thinks he shouldn't. Talent has always outweighed incidents, especially when those incidents happened in the distant past before they were pro's.

I don't have to Google them. I already know who they are. And nice try @BaconGrundleCandy. Next time, learn to quote properly, along with the difference between their/there.

Like it or not, the fact there's a video of him makes a difference.

 

[TBR]

Why are some of you so hopeful and eager to tell me this guy will be playing next year?

Report: Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon expected to go undrafted

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I don't have to Google them. I already know who they are. And nice try @BaconGrundleCandy. Next time, learn to quote properly, along with the difference between their/there.

Like it or not, the fact there's a video of him makes a difference.

It does make a difference.

So does the fact that he just turned 18
Has no other incidents
Was not a domestic violence situation
Whatever else happened during the incident (spitting, slapping, and/or racist remarks)

No situation happens within a vacuum. There are plenty of reasons to believe teams will look at this as a terrible thing that has only happened once. Right or wrong, it's their job to put together a team, and they will know far more than us about what happened that night, and since to make an informed decision.

 

[TBR]

It does make a difference.

So does the fact that he just turned 18
Has no other incidents
Was not a domestic violence situation
Whatever else happened during the incident (spitting, slapping, and/or racist remarks)

No situation happens within a vacuum. There are plenty of reasons to believe teams will look at this as a terrible thing that has only happened once. Right or wrong, it's their job to put together a team, and they will know far more than us about what happened that night, and since to make an informed decision.

Are you supposed to magically learn not to knock out women when you're 18?

It's obvious the guy has low impulse control. He's had other smaller incidents as well where he lost his cool (off field).

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

That's a pretty baseless assumption. Another ad-hominem. Speaks volumes about the general inability in here to defend the guy.

You're getting owned in terms of making a defense, and completely contradicting yourself with every post. It's pretty annoying, something of a middle school girl. If you want to argue with him, at least respond to his talking points and dispute what he's trying to prove.

And if you don't care to spend your time arguing with him, just agree to disagree, you know, like a civilized adult. Don't briefly repeat the same point over and over again like it's your way or the highway. If that's the case, hit the highway.

 

[TBR]

You're getting owned in terms of making a defense, and completely contradicting yourself with every post. It's pretty annoying, something of a middle school girl. If you want to argue with him, at least respond to his talking points and dispute what he's trying to prove.

And if you don't care to spend your time arguing with him, just agree to disagree, you know, like a civilized adult. Don't briefly repeat the same point over and over again like it's your way or the highway. If that's the case, hit the highway.

"Oh there's already criminals in the NFL" is not an argument. "Oh look at player x & z" is not an argument.

 

[Username]

Can this **** get taken to a different thread? This awesome thread has been utterly derailed. We get it, you don't think Mixon should be drafted. You've made that abundantly clear. Nobody will change your mind and that's fair enough. Message received loud and clear. Now can it just be dropped or taken elsewhere so we can get back to discussing draft prospects. Let's move on....

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Apologies for the derailment, guys.

The championship game confirmed my concerns about Tim Williams. He couldn't get off blocks. I don't think he made a single impact play all night. Reminds me too much of Aaron Maybin. Maybe he just needs the right coach or scheme, though; even Maybin had six sacks and four forced fumbles as a designated pass rusher for Rex.

Humphreys had some issues playing the ball. I like his cover skills, but he seemed to lose track of the throw more often than I expected. Could be coached up, I guess. Made me nervous though.

Gallman finished with pretty poor numbers, but he ran hard and forced Bama to respect the run. Ultimately I think that's what opened up the pass. Unfortunate fumble, but he was giving it his all. I wouldn't mind him here.

Ryan Anderson had as good a game as I've seen from a linebacker this year. I'll take him on this team any day.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Yep. Tim williams is the one guy that doesn't match up with the hype.

He looks dangerous when the interior guys wreck the pocket and he just has to get around the corner, but he's pretty useless otherwise.

Allen had a great first quarter, and barely noticed him after. Foster was around the play all night, but for all his bone crushing hits, not making the tackle on watsons td run stood out as a negative.

Mike Williams playing lob ball all fourth quarter must have been infuriating for bama fans. Another clear pro playing college football. But man did he ever get roughed up all game.

Just a really fun game, outlining how any college team would get destroyed by a pro team.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

While not about a 2017 prospect, this article about Le'Veon Bell's running style is pretty fascinating. I don't think I've ever seen someone quite like him in college. Le'Veon Bell Doesn't Just Want to Dominate the NFL. He Wants to Revolutionize It

 

[manxman2601]

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