Seahawks got SB advice from source with conflict of interest

[Ross12]

MacDonald is doing the Mayo walk back. Nobody in the NFC West would have any intel on this current Pats team. It was Brady.

When did he say the person with a conflict gave him intel on the Patriots?

This was the whole exchange:

Dan: "Who did you seek advice from going into the Super Bowl that might surprise me?"

Mike: "Well I don't know about surprised -- I called, John Harbaugh and I talked, he was great. Um ... Probably can't mention one guy that really helped us out that had some conflict of interest (laughs)"

Dan: "Can we guess?"

Mike: "Um, sure, I don't know if I'm gonna tell you but go ahead."

Dan: "Bill Belichick?"

Mike: "I'm not that cool."

Dan: "(laughs) You wouldn't, you wouldn't have --"

Mike: "No no, I've had a beer with Coach Belichick and that was pretty cool. That was a pretty cool day."

Dan: "Who else would we guess. Kyle Shanahan?"

Mike: "(laughs) No, no no. But a lot of it was like hey, there was a lot of like, I think one of the biggest themes of last year that we changed from year one to year two was like, we need to stick to who we are outside the circumstance but the Super Bowl is different. So you do have to like concede that the process is different throughout like the media and you know, there's things like halftime and pregame and stuff like that. But um, that's the way we framed it to our team. And frankly, for me, for a guy that hasn't been to a Super Bowl, it simplified it. You know? It simplified things. It took pressure off you that you had to do everything 'right'. You know, and you gotta be perfect all week. It's like, no, just relax, take a deep breath. Let's go be us, you know, different setting, let's just go be us and you know, not worry about all the extra stuff."

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To me it sounds like his "conflict of interest" person just helped with prepping for the big event itself, not with anything to do with scheme. So that could be anyone who's been there and done that. Doesn't seem like it has anything to do with game planning. People seem to be snipping a couple sentences out of the exchange and then inventing some implication that it had to do with scheme even though no one ever mentioned such a thing and the question was around general advice.

 

[Tunescribe]

When did he say the person with a conflict gave him intel on the Patriots?

This was the whole exchange:

Dan: "Who did you seek advice from going into the Super Bowl that might surprise me?"

Mike: "Well I don't know about surprised -- I called, John Harbaugh and I talked, he was great. Um ... Probably can't mention one guy that really helped us out that had some conflict of interest (laughs)"

Dan: "Can we guess?"

Mike: "Um, sure, I don't know if I'm gonna tell you but go ahead."

Dan: "Bill Belichick?"

Mike: "I'm not that cool."

Dan: "(laughs) You wouldn't, you wouldn't have --"

Mike: "No no, I've had a beer with Coach Belichick and that was pretty cool. That was a pretty cool day."

Dan: "Who else would we guess. Kyle Shanahan?"

Mike: "(laughs) No, no no. But a lot of it was like hey, there was a lot of like, I think one of the biggest themes of last year that we changed from year one to year two was like, we need to stick to who we are outside the circumstance but the Super Bowl is different. So you do have to like concede that the process is different throughout like the media and you know, there's things like halftime and pregame and stuff like that. But um, that's the way we framed it to our team. And frankly, for me, for a guy that hasn't been to a Super Bowl, it simplified it. You know? It simplified things. It took pressure off you that you had to do everything 'right'. You know, and you gotta be perfect all week. It's like, no, just relax, take a deep breath. Let's go be us, you know, different setting, let's just go be us and you know, not worry about all the extra stuff."

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To me it sounds like his "conflict of interest" person just helped with prepping for the big event itself, not with anything to do with scheme. So that could be anyone who's been there and done that. Doesn't seem like it has anything to do with game planning. People seem to be snipping a couple sentences out of the exchange and then inventing some implication that it had to do with scheme even though no one ever mentioned such a thing and the question was around general advice.

The whole MacDonald thing is oddly circumspect. Then there's the below report allegedly from "film study" but then you wonder WHO might've told them what to specifically look for ...

Seattle Seahawks star says Mike Macdonald found a ‘tell’ in the Patriots offense to exploit

A Seattle Seahawks defender has detailed how preparation and coaching helped unlock an edge against New England in the Super Bowl. Devon Witherspoon pointed to head coach Mike Macdonald as the key figure in identifying a tendency that Seattle was able to exploit.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

this thread is so ****ing embarrassing as usual

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

First I've seen of that report. So assuming MacDonald is being truthful, the mystery continues.

Is that your apology for being a ****ing moron?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

A guy who hasn’t played for Josh McDaniels in seven seasons and hasn’t played in the NFL in three seasons, gave some magical secret to the Seattle Seahawks in order to secure an offensive coordinator for his new team as an owner? Such secret has never been given out before to anyone else, but was saved up until now.

Oh, by the way, that guy is also the greatest player in NFL history and did this to get back at the team he played for almost his entire career just because,

Holy ****

 

[Wozzy]

You're arguing that Brady wasnt looking at teams far from his parents when Miami is 3000 miles from there. Also, tax rate is of importance according to you, but Brady was wanting to buy in with Kraft in the Commie of Massachusetts.

There's been rumors this happened. That's it. I don't frankly care one way or the other.

And you acting like tax free living is some Wozzy conspiracy is odd. I didn't list that as the only reason, or even the first.... the hundreds of millions dollar more cost probably had something to do with it.

Another dead end.

When presented with truth and facts ignorance is plead.

You're arguing with yourself over dumb sht and pretending we're in a debate. We're not.

Just admit that every silly exchange from you to me now will be an attack post, and it's not over anything I say... it's because I made you look foolish in the past over something you said. We'd all appreciate the honesty.

 

[Tunescribe]

Is that your apology for being a ****ing moron?

this thread is so ****ing embarrassing as usual

Your childish predilections notwithstanding, take a running jump.

 

[1960Pats]

A guy who hasn’t played for Josh McDaniels in seven seasons and hasn’t played in the NFL in three seasons, gave some magical secret to the Seattle Seahawks in order to secure an offensive coordinator for his new team as an owner? Such secret has never been given out before to anyone else, but was saved up until now.

Oh, by the way, that guy is also the greatest player in NFL history and did this to get back at the team he played for almost his entire career just because,

Holy ****

The negative reaction toward Brady (the greatest QB in NYFL history) when he left here was sickening. Ian was nice enough to give his fans a place to go and that wasn't enough. Some fans, and even a mod, still had to go there and cause ****. One of them was bragging about going there to troll the fans, and he did.

This is just round two for some of those clowns.

 

[rkarp1]

I firmly believe the Seahawks could have had some help/intel that was not Bill or Brady.
Steve B was in Seattle and could be friendly with some on the Seahawks staff
the intel also could have come from a Raiders player or coach that over lapped Josh

 

[XLIX]

I haven’t said a single bad word about Brady, and I’m not going to. Arguably no one in the history of sports has done more for one city than he.

Having said that….

He is a professional and is now involved with another team. He doesn’t owe us anything and his loyalties rest with his new situation, period.

The reason why I think Brady is the insider is because we know the lines of communication between he and Seattle were wide open this past January. LV interviewed, and hired, the Seattle OC. LV may have spoken to MacDonald for a recommendation.

I find it very easy to believe they continued their communications throughout the month. I just don’t think it’s a big deal.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The jilted lover thing fans have with Tom Brady is kinda tired at this point. If the org wanted loyalty from him they would have just given him the multi years he wanted to retire here instead of playing games after years of him taking below market rate to help the team reach unprecedented heights. Expecting him to be loyal and not have his own business interests now is just silly

That's 100% on Belichick. Kraft would have given Brady a 5 year deal had Belichick wanted it.

 

[Tunescribe]

The negative reaction toward Brady (the greatest QB in NYFL history) when he left here was sickening. Ian was nice enough to give his fans a place to go and that wasn't enough. Some fans, and even a mod, still had to go there and cause ****. One of them was bragging about going there to troll the fans, and he did.

This is just round two for some of those clowns.

Look, no one in their right mind can dispute or disparage Tom Brady's GOAT status as a player. That doesn't place him above reproach since moving on with other interests, including those directly opposed to Patriots fortunes. Only the blindest of pearl-clutching fanboys believe otherwise.

From his interview with Dan Patrick, Macdonald invited speculation re. the unnamed "conflicts of interest" source aiding his team's Super Bowl preparations. For multiple reasons, chiefly his institutional knowledge of the Pats and Josh McDaniels' offense, Brady became a plausible target of that speculation (see link below).



It wasn't until a subsequent interview surfacing just recently via Zach Gelb that Macdonald clarified his comment to exclude Brady.

Says PFT's Mike Florio: "That may not change the minds of pissed-off Pats fans. Many will assume Macdonald is simply putting the toothpaste back in the tube. (We've got no reason to think Macdonald isn't telling the truth, but nowadays truth is irrelevant to what people choose to believe.)

"Although Brady last played for the Patriots in 2019, the team still uses the system he knows better than any — the Josh McDaniels offense. And Brady, who was poised to hire Seahawks offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak to coach the Raiders, presumably preferred having the new coach bring the cachet of a Super Bowl win to a franchise that hasn't been to one in 24 years, and that has had only two one-and-down playoff appearances since then.

"If it wasn't Brady, who was it? It would have been someone who would have been able to help either with the McDaniels offense or Patriots coach Mike Vrabel's defense, with enough of a connection to get Macdonald to call it a 'conflict of interest.'"

Report: Mike Macdonald wasn't referring to Tom Brady as the person who provided Super Bowl help

If it wasn't Brady, who was it?

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Ross12]

"If it wasn't Brady, who was it? It would have been someone who would have been able to help either with the McDaniels offense or Patriots coach Mike Vrabel's defense, with enough of a connection to get Macdonald to call it a 'conflict of interest.'"

Macdonald specifically said the person helped with prepping for the event itself, not scheme, so no it does not have to be someone with intel on the Patriots schemes. That is something people just imagined in their heads despite Macdonald expressly stating otherwise.

 

[upstater1]

When did he say the person with a conflict gave him intel on the Patriots?

This was the whole exchange:

Dan: "Who did you seek advice from going into the Super Bowl that might surprise me?"

Mike: "Well I don't know about surprised -- I called, John Harbaugh and I talked, he was great. Um ... Probably can't mention one guy that really helped us out that had some conflict of interest (laughs)"

Dan: "Can we guess?"

Mike: "Um, sure, I don't know if I'm gonna tell you but go ahead."

Dan: "Bill Belichick?"

Mike: "I'm not that cool."

Dan: "(laughs) You wouldn't, you wouldn't have --"

Mike: "No no, I've had a beer with Coach Belichick and that was pretty cool. That was a pretty cool day."

Dan: "Who else would we guess. Kyle Shanahan?"

Mike: "(laughs) No, no no. But a lot of it was like hey, there was a lot of like, I think one of the biggest themes of last year that we changed from year one to year two was like, we need to stick to who we are outside the circumstance but the Super Bowl is different. So you do have to like concede that the process is different throughout like the media and you know, there's things like halftime and pregame and stuff like that. But um, that's the way we framed it to our team. And frankly, for me, for a guy that hasn't been to a Super Bowl, it simplified it. You know? It simplified things. It took pressure off you that you had to do everything 'right'. You know, and you gotta be perfect all week. It's like, no, just relax, take a deep breath. Let's go be us, you know, different setting, let's just go be us and you know, not worry about all the extra stuff."

---

To me it sounds like his "conflict of interest" person just helped with prepping for the big event itself, not with anything to do with scheme. So that could be anyone who's been there and done that. Doesn't seem like it has anything to do with game planning. People seem to be snipping a couple sentences out of the exchange and then inventing some implication that it had to do with scheme even though no one ever mentioned such a thing and the question was around general advice.

Well what would be the conflict of interest then? If it was general advice.

 

[jdlboot14]

If true, that's a disappointing move by Brady. Not because his tips actually made the difference in the game, but because the motive in doing that at all would only be to preserve his legacy as the only Patriot QB to win SB's. And keep himself at the top of mind for sports fans. And that's to the direct detriment to the team & community that he swore "he will always be a Patriot" to.
It's one thing to be committed now to the Raiders to win. But, not to make sure the Patriots lose when Raiders aren't involved in any way. That wreaks of narcism.

 

[Clonamery]

When did he say the person with a conflict gave him intel on the Patriots?

This was the whole exchange:

Dan: "Who did you seek advice from going into the Super Bowl that might surprise me?"

Mike: "Well I don't know about surprised -- I called, John Harbaugh and I talked, he was great. Um ... Probably can't mention one guy that really helped us out that had some conflict of interest (laughs)"

Dan: "Can we guess?"

Mike: "Um, sure, I don't know if I'm gonna tell you but go ahead."

Dan: "Bill Belichick?"

Mike: "I'm not that cool."

Dan: "(laughs) You wouldn't, you wouldn't have --"

Mike: "No no, I've had a beer with Coach Belichick and that was pretty cool. That was a pretty cool day."

Dan: "Who else would we guess. Kyle Shanahan?"

Mike: "(laughs) No, no no. But a lot of it was like hey, there was a lot of like, I think one of the biggest themes of last year that we changed from year one to year two was like, we need to stick to who we are outside the circumstance but the Super Bowl is different. So you do have to like concede that the process is different throughout like the media and you know, there's things like halftime and pregame and stuff like that. But um, that's the way we framed it to our team. And frankly, for me, for a guy that hasn't been to a Super Bowl, it simplified it. You know? It simplified things. It took pressure off you that you had to do everything 'right'. You know, and you gotta be perfect all week. It's like, no, just relax, take a deep breath. Let's go be us, you know, different setting, let's just go be us and you know, not worry about all the extra stuff."

---

To me it sounds like his "conflict of interest" person just helped with prepping for the big event itself, not with anything to do with scheme. So that could be anyone who's been there and done that. Doesn't seem like it has anything to do with game planning. People seem to be snipping a couple sentences out of the exchange and then inventing some implication that it had to do with scheme even though no one ever mentioned such a thing and the question was around general advice.

Kyle Van Noy? Played for Macdonald in Baltimore. Huge advocate for him getting the HC job in Seattle. Won 2 SB's with NE. Gave him advice on approach - 'Super Bowl is different;' and 'it simplified it.' Though conflict of interest drama is a letdown.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

FWIW....

Dan Patrick elaborated a bit this morning on his show, said that Macdonald told him off the record who it was, that he won't reveal it himself, but that it was NOT Tom Brady. He also said that it was NOT Diana Russini, which is I guess another rumor that has been out there. Finally he said it was someone who was not with the Patriots at any point in the season, which would have been 100x more unethical.

 

[XLIX]

FWIW....

Dan Patrick elaborated a bit this morning on his show, said that Macdonald told him off the record who it was, that he won't reveal it himself, but that it was NOT Tom Brady. He also said that it was NOT Diana Russini, which is I guess another rumor that has been out there. Finally he said it was someone who was not with the Patriots at any point in the season, which would have been 100x more unethical.

I don’t know that there’s anything unethical about an ex-player talking to Seattle. If you cut a guy, he’s a free bird.

This forum used to praise Belichick’s genius for doing precisely that…. Bringing in a player cut by the team we were facing that upcoming weekend, even just for a talk and not a signing.

 

[rkarp1]

FWIW....

Dan Patrick elaborated a bit this morning on his show, said that Macdonald told him off the record who it was, that he won't reveal it himself, but that it was NOT Tom Brady. He also said that it was NOT Diana Russini, which is I guess another rumor that has been out there. Finally he said it was someone who was not with the Patriots at any point in the season, which would have been 100x more unethical.

kind of leads you to someone with an axe to grind
Mayo?

 

[XLIX]

kind of leads you to someone with an axe to grind
Mayo?

Mayo knows as much about prepping a team for a Super Bowl as I do.

If it was just generic coach-to-coach speak on how to get ready for the Super Bowl and how prepping for the Super Bowl is different from other games, it leads one to theorize it could have been Belichick.

Yes I know that has been denied but that doesn’t mean I have to buy the denials.

Post Script: Theorizing Dianna Russini, which some people are, doesn’t make sense. At the time, she and Vrabel were happily banging each other. She had no axe to grind as their **** was still yet to hit the fan.