Jared Wilson will move to Center

patfanken · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
"Both of these guys have less than 50% chance of making the Practice Squad." - Mgteich

You didn't even say the 53, you said they wouldn't make the practice squad.

A third of the league isn't a small percentage.

You have no clue about these players. You're just being a negative Nancy.

Sorry Wozz, but the true number is closer to 15-20%. A third is a significant number in any numeric configuration. You might have a higher percentage on the 90 man roster, but when it gets down to 53, that number will drop. With up to 11 rookies in this draft, it will be even harder for an UDFA to make this team. Plus we have a few recoveries from the Foxboro Flu coming back as well.

moosekill · Apr 3, 2026

Approximately 25% to 30% of NFL rosters are composed of
Undrafted Free Agents (UDFAs or NDFAs). While roughly 260 players are drafted annually, another 450-500 are signed as UDFAs immediately after, although only about 20% of those signees tend to make an initial 53-man roster.

moosekill · Apr 3, 2026

it’s nice when we have these little computers in our hands so we can check stuff quickly.

DaBruinz · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
You’re missing two prospects here. Sebastian Gutierrez and Lorenz Metz shouldn’t be completely dismissed from the conversation.

Sebastian Gutierrez is a tiny school prospect but he’s really athletic. A project to be sure but the kid can motor, had decent strength and should be stronger. He might be a dark horse candidate to backup at guard.

Lorenz Metz didn’t start playing football until he turned 18, he is pretty athletic, strong and massive at 6’9” 330 pounds plus he has a 84” wingspan. Added to Marcus Bryant he provides another potential depth player at tackle.

Both of these guys arrived in the NFL as UDFA’s but this front office did a great job at identifying small school talent and bringing them in. They’re longshots but talented, they can’t just be written off.

Gutierrez is no prospect. He'll be 28 on July 6th. He was signed as a UDFA in 2022 by the Broncos, was cut and then signed to the Pats Practice Squad in October 2022. He's also been on the Raiders, Chiefs, back to the Raiders, 49ers, Browns, Colts, back to the 49ers, back to the Browns and back to the Patriots. He's taken a total of 10 in-game snaps. 3 on Offense at RT and 7 as a special teamer.

Metz is one of the players from the NFL's International Pathways Program. Metz was a redshirt Sr in 2023 for the U of Cincinnati. The U of Cincinnati is not a "small school". Metz signed with the Bears, but was cut and then got a try-out with the Giants, but wasn't signed,. Metz then was signed to the Bucs as part of the International Pathway program. As noted below, Metz spent all of 2024 and a good portion of 2025 with the Bucs before they released him after the end of the regular season. The Pats added Metz for the play-off run and then signed him to a future's deal. He won't count against the 90 or the PS. Metz just turned 29 on March 7th. Not sure how much of a prospect he really is..

Both are camp bodies. Metz may stick around the Practice Squad because he won't actually count against the 16 player max.

DaBruinz · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
"Both of these guys have less than 50% chance of making the Practice Squad." - Mgteich

You didn't even say the 53, you said they wouldn't make the practice squad.

A third of the league isn't a small percentage.

You have no clue about these players. You're just being a negative Nancy.

You shouldn't say other people have no clue about players when you clearly don't either.

Gutierrez will be 28 in July and Metz is already 29. Neither are "prospects". They are marginal players who have bounced around numerous teams. Gutierrez has been on 8 teams in his 4 year career. 5 of those teams twice. Metz is on his 3rd team since entering the league in 2023..

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

patfanken said:
Sorry Wozz, but the true number is closer to 15-20%. A third is a significant number in any numeric configuration. You might have a higher percentage on the 90 man roster, but when it gets down to 53, that number will drop. With up to 11 rookies in this draft, it will be even harder for an UDFA to make this team. Plus we have a few recoveries from the Foxboro Flu coming back as well.

While only about 20% of UDFAs make a team’s initial 53-man regular season roster, the retention rate increases when practice squads are included. Around 40% of UDFAs remain affiliated with NFL teams when practice squad placements are factored in. According to Cap & Trade, from 2012 to 2023, an average of 2.79 UDFAs per team made Week 1 active rosters, and 4.12 per team landed on practice squads.

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

DaBruinz said:
Gutierrez is no prospect. He'll be 28 on July 6th. He was signed as a UDFA in 2022 by the Broncos, was cut and then signed to the Pats Practice Squad in October 2022. He's also been on the Raiders, Chiefs, back to the Raiders, 49ers, Browns, Colts, back to the 49ers, back to the Browns and back to the Patriots. He's taken a total of 10 in-game snaps. 3 on Offense at RT and 7 as a special teamer.

Metz is one of the players from the NFL's International Pathways Program. Metz was a redshirt Sr in 2023 for the U of Cincinnati. The U of Cincinnati is not a "small school". Metz signed with the Bears, but was cut and then got a try-out with the Giants, but wasn't signed,. Metz then was signed to the Bucs as part of the International Pathway program. As noted below, Metz spent all of 2024 and a good portion of 2025 with the Bucs before they released him after the end of the regular season. The Pats added Metz for the play-off run and then signed him to a future's deal. He won't count against the 90 or the PS. Metz just turned 29 on March 7th. Not sure how much of a prospect he really is..

Both are camp bodies. Metz may stick around the Practice Squad because he won't actually count against the 16 player max.

We’re quibbling over the definition of prospect now?

They’re a prospect to make the team.

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

DaBruinz said:
You shouldn't say other people have no clue about players when you clearly don't either.

Gutierrez will be 28 in July and Metz is already 29. Neither are "prospects". They are marginal players who have bounced around numerous teams. Gutierrez has been on 8 teams in his 4 year career. 5 of those teams twice. Metz is on his 3rd team since entering the league in 2023..

Age doesn’t end careers, injury, wear and tear ends careers. There are 26 year old rookies who enter the league.

Gutierrez came from Minot State, division two. Metz didn’t start playing football until 18 and came from Germany… I said both of these things earlier.

So basically you’re repeating things back to me that I already said and telling me I have “no clue.” I didn’t say these guys were locks to make the roster. Someone posted the current depth chart and didn’t include them. I pointed out that omission.

Again, stop chasing me around like a jealous ex girlfriend. You don’t have to let a disagreement on another thread bleed over into every conversation. Grow up.

Zuma · Apr 3, 2026

Gutierrez and Metz don't stand a chance to make the 53 man roster. They will either be on a PS somewhere or out of the league.

Sebastian Gutierrez's (28 yo) career snap count...

Lorenz Metz's (29 yo) career snap count...
NOTHING

PatsFan2 · Apr 3, 2026

patfanken said:
Sorry Wozz, but the true number is closer to 15-20%. A third is a significant number in any numeric configuration. You might have a higher percentage on the 90 man roster, but when it gets down to 53, that number will drop. With up to 11 rookies in this draft, it will be even harder for an UDFA to make this team. Plus we have a few recoveries from the Foxboro Flu coming back as well.

Not really injuries play a part in this and some UDFA's can more than Flash in TC.

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

PatsFan2 said:
Not really injuries play a part in this and some UDFA's can more than Flash in TC.

UDFA Ponder beat out drafted Swinson last preseason, Wes Welker is our franchise career catches leader… but people dismiss undrafted players as having little chance. Sounds legit…

PatsFan2 · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
UDFA Ponder beat out drafted Swinson last preseason, Wes Welker is our franchise career catches leader… but people dismiss undrafted players as having little chance. Sounds legit…

Some Decent Prospects will go UnDrafted: I hope we grab more than a few.

mgteich · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
Bryant already made the 53.

Yes, he did. We are talking about the 2 players you have discussed, Bryant and the 2026 roster.

Of course, Bryant was drafted and is one of several draftees unlikely to make the 53 (Bryant, Minor, Wallace). I believe that they are more likely than almost any of the UDFA's that have been signed since the season started.

mgteich · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
While only about 20% of UDFAs make a team’s initial 53-man regular season roster, the retention rate increases when practice squads are included. Around 40% of UDFAs remain affiliated with NFL teams when practice squad placements are factored in. According to Cap & Trade, from 2012 to 2023, an average of 2.79 UDFAs per team made Week 1 active rosters, and 4.12 per team landed on practice squads.

I believe that good teams have fewer UDFA's making the 53-man roster. But 2-3 is a reasonable expectation. Ponder was a truly excellent UDFA and worked hard in camp and beat out draftees and veterans. For me, Chism could have had the same season if he started on the Practice Squad.

Zuma · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
UDFA Ponder beat out drafted Swinson last preseason, Wes Welker is our franchise career catches leader… but people dismiss undrafted players as having little chance. Sounds legit…

UDFA Gutierrez and Metz have a total career snaps in the NFL of 7. 7 career snaps between the both of them and they are 28/29 years old? Are you insane?

mgteich · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
We’re quibbling over the definition of prospect now?

They’re a prospect to make the team.

I'll quibble over the word "quibble".

We understand your idea of prospect: anyone who is on the 90-man roster, now and through the final cut. You are certainly entitled to that understanding of the word.

Most of us have a bit different definition of the word. There is a difference between camp body and a prospect.

IMO, almost all the "prospects" to make the 53 were on the 53 sometime during last season, will be drafted, or will be among the "top 5" UDFA's signed in the couple of days after the draft.

Of course, there is also the first group of free agents signed in the beginning of the off-season. We all recognize those who replaced lost players and have a chance to compete for a roster spot.
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I suspect that there are 15 players on the current roster who very few of us would even notice if they were cut. And there will be 25 or more such players between now and camp. In my opinion, these players are NOT prospects. Of course, some players do surprise, but having a 1% chance doesn't make them a prospect.

We need camp bodies. It is that simple.
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TO BE CLEAR
I expect us to sign 5 or so UDFA's in the couple of days after the draft who are prospects to make the 53.

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

mgteich said:
Yes, he did. We are talking about the 2 players you have discussed, Bryant and the 2026 roster.

Of course, Bryant was drafted and is one of several draftees unlikely to make the 53 (Bryant, Minor, Wallace). I believe that they are more likely than almost any of the UDFA's that have been signed since the season started.

We’ll see who they add in the draft and remaining free agency. The team moved on from Mumford, that opens up an opportunity for someone else. The draft means nothing after its over, only performance matters at that point.

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

mgteich said:
I believe that good teams have fewer UDFA's making the 53-man roster. But 2-3 is a reasonable expectation. Ponder was a truly excellent UDFA and worked hard in camp and beat out draftees and veterans. For me, Chism could have had the same season if he started on the Practice Squad.

Chism wasn’t activated until week 6 then became their kick returner. Spillane, Ellis, Schooler are all starters or major contributors who came from undrafted ranks.

Good teams find good talent, regardless if it’s drafted or not. One team called Malcolm Butler when he was working the fry station at Popeye’s Chicken… one team, the best team in the NFL.

Wozzy · Apr 3, 2026

Zuma said:
UDFA Gutierrez and Metz have a total career snaps in the NFL of 7. 7 career snaps between the both of them and they are 28/29 years old? Are you insane?

I think the amount of time spent in the league limits the likelihood they will breakout at this point, but it doesn’t eliminate it.

When Lawrence Guy signed with the Pats in 2017 I called it a great signing. People told me he was a jag because he had barely any starts under his belt his first 7 years and was an UDFA originally.

He went on to be a great starter for us for 7 more years. Small school and unheralded UDFA players often have a longer path to relevance. It doesn’t always make them lesser players.

Zuma · Apr 3, 2026

Wozzy said:
I think the amount of time spent in the league limits the likelihood they will breakout at this point, but it doesn’t eliminate it.

When Lawrence Guy signed with the Pats in 2017 I called it a great signing. People told me he was a jag because he had barely any starts under his belt his first 7 years and was an UDFA originally.

He went on to be a great starter for us for 7 more years. Small school and unheralded UDFA players often have a longer path to relevance. It doesn’t always make them lesser players.

Lawrence Guy had over 2000 career snaps before he joined the Pats and was 27 years old. You're comparing someone who had over 2000 career snaps BEFORE he came to the Pats to someone who's had less then 10 career snaps and is 28/29 years old?

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