Patriots Rumor A.J. Brown trade rumors heat up - Should Patriots get him?

Patriots1993 said:

Feels like we're going to box ourselves into either overpaying for Brown or giving our young QB little help at WR again...

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The latter

mgteich said:

especially a late 2nd

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If pats are the only team bidding they should not bid against themselves.

Patriots1993 said:

Feels like we're going to box ourselves into either overpaying for Brown or giving our young QB little help at WR again...

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Don't worry. They'll lose out on Brown and then find some second tier guy who is slightly over the hill but interesting enough to try to keep hopes up for the season. Then when it doesn't work out we'll be in the exact same situation for a team that can't draft WR's but is scared to death of paying or trading market value for them

VJCPatriot said:

I feel like there's a lot of negotiation and posturing going on. It's likely a 2nd would get it done but maybe the Patriots only want to give a 3rd this year or next year's 2nd. Philly might be shopping for better offers.

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The 2026 draft is not even an option for Philly. Its not going to happen prior to June 1 if it happens at all. Pats made an offer. It was rejected. Plan B is now on the clock.

Seen the tweets that brown’s camp made it clear to philly he prefers ne. Not sure how legit but That makes it a bit tougher for them to play hardball, If they can’t unload him at a fair price it could get ugly there

PatsFan2 said:

I guess we are passing because A.J. Brown will be 29 at seasons end: not exactly spring chicken territory. So Alec Peirce it is.

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Good.

Am I in the rare that prefers Pierce over Brown?

If Philly did indeed turn down a 1st and 3rd offer, then they can go pound sand.

slash83 said:

Am I in the rare that prefers Pierce over Brown?

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There are many of us who would prefer not to give up a draft choice.

mike_usagisan said:

I have to think Pierce's agent knows what each team is willing to offer at this point.

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Agree. I find it hard to believe that agents don't talk to the teams. Probably nothing in writing until Monday but lots of discussions.

Steve102 said:

Had a buddy texted me he read somewhere they offered a 2 and a 5. I haven't read that, but it sounds right.

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DJ Moore to the Bills was a 2nd and 5th. Seems like an overpay.

slash83 said:

Am I in the rare that prefers Pierce over Brown?

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I'm convinced he'll end up being a bad signing even if we didn't give up the pick. A guy who gets frustrated about targets playing on the defending champs isn't gonna tolerate low target days with the Patriots.


I'm not super high on Pierce either but at least he doesn't rob us of the chance to spend a pick on the OL which is, by far, the most glaring problem on this team.

slash83 said:

Am I in the rare that prefers Pierce over Brown?

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You are not. I prefer AJ's talent and body size, but not age. His decline has begun. I don't even care about his salary. Its the picks that kill me. Alec is 25, entering his prime in the next few years and he comes free of any picks. We need them. I would guess Alec will get $30 million a year, but thats the going rate. Top receivers get 40+.

I’m not interested in Brown for a 1+3. There are a few concerns - age, injuries etc. if Brown was worth that cost Philly wouldn’t be happy to offload him. It’s actually more than they paid in his prime. I’d do a 2 and something else on top. Pickens, Metcalf, Moore all went relatively cheaply. If another team wants to pony up a 1 then fair play to them.

slash83 said:

Am I in the rare that prefers Pierce over Brown?

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No I prefer Pierce. Just think it will be AJ though

lancerman said:

Don't worry. They'll lose out on Brown and then find some second tier guy who is slightly over the hill but interesting enough to try to keep hopes up for the season. Then when it doesn't work out we'll be in the exact same situation for a team that can't draft WR's but is scared to death of paying or trading market value for them

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You are the last person I expected to see conflating Belichick's problems drafting wide receivers with Vrabel. This regime hit free agency and the draft out of the park on their first season. They went into free agency last year with loser stink all over them and came away with the best haul in the league. I honestly don't understand why so many Patriot fans are so negative about Vrabel's ability to build a team when he took them from total dogshit to the Super Bowl in his first year. They went from the least desirable franchises to play for to one of the best, if not the best, destinations in football. They are clearly making moves pre free agency to set themselves up for another strong offseason, and they have been making tough decisions and getting rid of popular locker room players that don't fit into their future plans, and they have opened up opportunities to improve at positions they need to improve at. I absolutely expect them to have another excellent free agency period and draft, and I believe they will enter next season considerably stronger than the 25' team. Feel free to make the argument that they don't know what they are doing if you want to, but I'm not seeing any evidence to suggest that's the case.

lancerman said:

Don't worry. They'll lose out on Brown and then find some second tier guy who is slightly over the hill but interesting enough to try to keep hopes up for the season. Then when it doesn't work out we'll be in the exact same situation for a team that can't draft WR's but is scared to death of paying or trading market value for them

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How did signing Diggs work out for them last season? You make it sound like he was a bust.

lancerman said:

Don't worry. They'll lose out on Brown and then find some second tier guy who is slightly over the hill but interesting enough to try to keep hopes up for the season. Then when it doesn't work out we'll be in the exact same situation for a team that can't draft WR's but is scared to death of paying or trading market value for them

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Huckleberry1 said:

How did signing Diggs work out for them last season? You make it sound like he was a bust.

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I think the team felt signing Diggs was a risk. He was and is a ticking time bomb. We're lucky that the police and the courts take months to do their thing. I think it wasn't luck that his contract was set up to be one-and-done unless he had an amazing season, and he didnt. As others point out, he didn't exactly shine in the playoffs.

I think the team took the risk knowing they were a 4-13 team wanting/needed to make a splash. He did raise the profile of the program. Now that the team is coming off an AFC Championship it'll be interesting if they continue to think they need to take risks, or if they feel they have things moving in the right direction and just need to keep things going.

I think it's a hard read. No one really, really knows what Vrabel thinks of AJ Brown in general and in adding him to this team in particular. He may think this is the one thing we really need, or may think the negatives outweigh the positives.

Personally I'm a pessimist and I think trading a 1st and a 2nd for a 29 year old WR draining his knee twice a week who gets WR1 money and creates more than his share of drama is something I would not do. Also I think whatever Vrabel thinks of him as a player, in the end, it's just too much to spend for what you get back. He'd rather have the 1st, the 2nd, and the cap space.

Personally, I think it's the classic way to screw up team building. You don't want to invest big into a guy on his 3rd contract (rookie contract plus two extensions) and at the peak of his performance since decline is so likely. You're paying top of market in terms of salary cap and draft choices but not likely to get the value, IMO.

So, now that I wrote this, they'll make the move to get Brown, so people who hate on my post will win too.

Bill Lee said:

I think the team felt signing Diggs was a risk. He was and is a ticking time bomb. We're lucky that the police and the courts take months to do their thing. I think it wasn't luck that his contract was set up to be one-and-done unless he had an amazing season, and he didnt. As others point out, he didn't exactly shine in the playoffs.

I think the team took the risk knowing they were a 4-13 team wanting/needed to make a splash. He did raise the profile of the program. Now that the team is coming off an AFC Championship it'll be interesting if they continue to think they need to take risks, or if they feel they have things moving in the right direction and just need to keep things going.

I think it's a hard read. No one really, really knows what Vrabel thinks of AJ Brown in general and in adding him to this team in particular. He may think this is the one thing we really need, or may think the negatives outweigh the positives.

Personally I'm a pessimist and I think trading a 1st and a 2nd for a 29 year old WR draining his knee twice a week who gets WR1 money and creates more than his share of drama is something I would not do. Also I think whatever Vrabel thinks of him as a player, in the end, it's just too much to spend for what you get back. He'd rather have the 1st, the 2nd, and the cap space.

Personally, I think it's the classic way to screw up team building. You don't want to invest big into a guy on his 3rd contract (rookie contract plus two extensions) and at the peak of his performance since decline is so likely. You're paying top of market in terms of salary cap and draft choices but not likely to get the value, IMO.

So, now that I wrote this, they'll make the move to get Brown, so people who hate on my post will win too.

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I just don't understand the pessimism of Patriot fans. If you can't believe in this team after what happened over the last year then you can't believe in anything imo.

n1997y said:

Good.

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Who is the choice if no Brown or Pierce?