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reflexblue said:
He needs to at least get stronger
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You can get as strong as hercules but if your center of gravity is all jacked up, you will get decleated. He got decleated guys. That is the death knell for any OL at any level. Sharks starts to smell blood.
 
Betterthanmost said:
You can get as strong as hercules but if your center of gravity is all jacked up, you will get decleated. He got decleated guys. That is the death knell for any OL at any level. Sharks starts to smell blood.
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I understand that but hes not exactly built like Volmer or matt light. there wasn't much flab on those guys.
 
Interesting to catch up on this thread after the loss.

As I said before the game, if the Pats win it will because of Maye and the D, and if they lose it's because the OL didn't do their jobs.

I wasn't expecting Campbell to be shown up this much but I think it was the ENTIRE line - especially the left side - though I will probably wait for PatsfanKen to give me his play by play rather than rewatching it all myself.

Which brings us back to the original hot debate around here of whether Campbell is an LT or should move to LG

I've been open to him moving to LG since Day One if they have someone better at LT. This season they did not.

Some made clear they felt that would make him a wasted pick at #4 - although I'd remind them that he wouldn't be the first LG we drafted at #4 and no one would call HIM a wasted pick!

As we've known from the start of this season they will be investing big $ in the OL this offseason and that could likely include their first round pick. I'd think they'd focus on free agents or college players who can play both LT or LG and I think we'd all be happy to see competition at LT to see who can protect Maye the best.

Campbell is still young so he'll get better - but he and our OL showed just how far they have to go before we're truly back
 
Betterthanmost said:
You can get as strong as hercules but if your center of gravity is all jacked up, you will get decleated. He got decleated guys. That is the death knell for any OL at any level. Sharks starts to smell blood.
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This is a bs post and video. On the first play, Wilson clearly knocks the rusher off Campbell's block, not Will's fault in any way. And the 2nd play was blown dead, so what's the point of showing that he got hit after the whistle? He drew the motion penalty cause he moved in response to the defense moving in the center of the line.
 
Will Campbell would get absolutely destroyed at Guard. He lacks strength and you guys want him going up against DTs instead of DEs?!
 


"Overall, I think there is a good left tackle here. I think he should have a long career. Patsfans I know it was a tough postseason for him, but I think you should still be optimistic for the future."
 
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Should we reassess our oline coaching.

If Campbell issues are technical what was Doug Marrone doing?
 
reflexblue said:
He needs to at least get stronger
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That's what see as the real issue, and I expect the combination of their strength and conditioning program, and his work no ethic to resolves that issue. I think the knee injury, length of season, and not enough strength, s well as facing 4 of the best pass rushes in football in the playoff run made for a tough January/February for him.
 
Toofy said:
Should we reassess our oline coaching.

If Campbell issues are technical what was Doug Marrone doing?
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Jeff Stoutland former Philly OL coach is available. He would be an absolute home run hire if we made the switch.
 
Ras-IR Dowling said:
Jeff Stoutland former Philly OL coach is available. He would be an absolute home run hire if we made the switch.
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I remember reading last year that Marrone was one of the best O line coaches out there, so is coaching the problem?
 
Everyone keeps bringing up Campbell's supposed lack of strength. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought Campbell looked more than strong enough all through the pre season and early in the year. I did see some technique issues especially with his hand placement and a tendency to let the pass rushers beat him to his inside hand but he was a rookie. Since everyone keeps talking about his lack of strength, I looked back to see what his weight room numbers were. He did 35 reps in the bench press at his pro day. Which is more than most Offensive tackles. (his "short arms" help him here.) For example Joe Alt (27) and Rashawn Slater (33) of the Chargers are not mentioned as lacking strength. Also Matt Light (26) and Sebastian Vollmer (33) of the Patriots recent past are not considered weak. Also, he has a famous video of him raw squatting 616 pounds very easily. I am of the opinion that he is a very diligent weight room aficionado and was suffering from some nagging injury even before he suffered from the significant MCL tear in week 12. I don't have access to his medical files but I would not be surprised if we find out he undergoes a serious surgery (or 2) this offseason. It looked to me (especially in the Super Bowl) that he just could not anchor to his inside. The knee would not let him do that. Because he could not anchor, he had to lean and overcompensate. That screws up the timing of his hands, which takes away the power of his punch, etc. Think back to early in the year. Was he having any problem anchoring? He got beat a few times, but it wasn't some linebacker bull rushing him back into the QB. Having tried playing on a severely sprained ankle which I had numbed up and taped, I know for a fact that if you can't anchor, you are f-ed. I think Campbell tried to give it a go at 50-70% and it wasn't good enough. Why did Vrabel and Marrone kept him in there? I think the kid wanted to be out there with his teammates and they figured even at 50% he was better than Verderian Lowe. Besides, the Super Bowl is a big deal and you never know if or when you will ever get a chance to play in it again. We'll see. Like I said, it would not surprise me if Campbell(and Maye) have surgeries. this offseason.
 
SteveKiner said:
Everyone keeps bringing up Campbell's supposed lack of strength. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought Campbell looked more than strong enough all through the pre season and early in the year. I did see some technique issues especially with his hand placement and a tendency to let the pass rushers beat him to his inside hand but he was a rookie. Since everyone keeps talking about his lack of strength, I looked back to see what his weight room numbers were. He did 35 reps in the bench press at his pro day. Which is more than most Offensive tackles. (his "short arms" help him here.) For example Joe Alt (27) and Rashawn Slater (33) of the Chargers are not mentioned as lacking strength. Also Matt Light (26) and Sebastian Vollmer (33) of the Patriots recent past are not considered weak. Also, he has a famous video of him raw squatting 616 pounds very easily. I am of the opinion that he is a very diligent weight room aficionado and was suffering from some nagging injury even before he suffered from the significant MCL tear in week 12. I don't have access to his medical files but I would not be surprised if we find out he undergoes a serious surgery (or 2) this offseason. It looked to me (especially in the Super Bowl) that he just could not anchor to his inside. The knee would not let him do that. Because he could not anchor, he had to lean and overcompensate. That screws up the timing of his hands, which takes away the power of his punch, etc. Think back to early in the year. Was he having any problem anchoring? He got beat a few times, but it wasn't some linebacker bull rushing him back into the QB. Having tried playing on a severely sprained ankle which I had numbed up and taped, I know for a fact that if you can't anchor, you are f-ed. I think Campbell tried to give it a go at 50-70% and it wasn't good enough. Why did Vrabel and Marrone kept him in there? I think the kid wanted to be out there with his teammates and they figured even at 50% he was better than Verderian Lowe. Besides, the Super Bowl is a big deal and you never know if or when you will ever get a chance to play in it again. We'll see. Like I said, it would not surprise me if Campbell(and Maye) have surgeries. this offseason.
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I thought he had consistent problems being bull rushed into the QB all year. Even early on when he was still playing at an ok level. Maybe saying he lacks strength in general is wrong, but his functional play strength was meh at best all year and looked worse throughout the year. Hopefully for his sake the injury exasperated the issue and that can be fixed with surgery/rest. But his body looks kind of frumpy by NFL OL standards so I'm guessing there's still a lot of work he can do in the weight room and with his diet if he really wants to be great.
 
CB Devon Witherspoon says HC Mike Macdonald found a tell on the Patriots’ guards & tackles,
 
rads2005 said:
Every pass protection rep from Will Campbell. It’s not great, and he’s lacking strength (knee injury can’t have helped), but I don’t see 14 pressures here?

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After seeing this and the video breakdown on Maye's performance posted by @ViperGTS , I don't feel as bad about Will's play in the SB. He had a couple of really bad reps, but he had more good reps than I thought. There were enough good reps that Maye should have taken advantage off.

I think Will's footwork is the real issue. Good rushers get to his upper body faster than he can set his lower body. Get healthy and work on technique in the off-season.

We all know Vrabel is not gonna give up on him so I expect him to be our LT next year.
 
Iceman said:
They have to go back to the drawing board, Campbell is not the answer, I think he is flat out terrible. As the season went on I've become less and less impressed with the rookie class outside of Woodson (kicker's been ok too).
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So the team went from four wins to a berth in the Super Bowl, and you're whining. You must have a pantytwisting puddle of goo during the Mayo experience.
 
SteveKiner said:
Everyone keeps bringing up Campbell's supposed lack of strength. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought Campbell looked more than strong enough all through the pre season and early in the year. I did see some technique issues especially with his hand placement and a tendency to let the pass rushers beat him to his inside hand but he was a rookie. Since everyone keeps talking about his lack of strength, I looked back to see what his weight room numbers were. He did 35 reps in the bench press at his pro day. Which is more than most Offensive tackles. (his "short arms" help him here.) For example Joe Alt (27) and Rashawn Slater (33) of the Chargers are not mentioned as lacking strength. Also Matt Light (26) and Sebastian Vollmer (33) of the Patriots recent past are not considered weak. Also, he has a famous video of him raw squatting 616 pounds very easily. I am of the opinion that he is a very diligent weight room aficionado and was suffering from some nagging injury even before he suffered from the significant MCL tear in week 12. I don't have access to his medical files but I would not be surprised if we find out he undergoes a serious surgery (or 2) this offseason. It looked to me (especially in the Super Bowl) that he just could not anchor to his inside. The knee would not let him do that. Because he could not anchor, he had to lean and overcompensate. That screws up the timing of his hands, which takes away the power of his punch, etc. Think back to early in the year. Was he having any problem anchoring? He got beat a few times, but it wasn't some linebacker bull rushing him back into the QB. Having tried playing on a severely sprained ankle which I had numbed up and taped, I know for a fact that if you can't anchor, you are f-ed. I think Campbell tried to give it a go at 50-70% and it wasn't good enough. Why did Vrabel and Marrone kept him in there? I think the kid wanted to be out there with his teammates and they figured even at 50% he was better than Verderian Lowe. Besides, the Super Bowl is a big deal and you never know if or when you will ever get a chance to play in it again. We'll see. Like I said, it would not surprise me if Campbell(and Maye) have surgeries. this offseason.
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Despite the bad ending, Campbell and Wilson had good rookie seasons. The Patriots were the first team to field two rookies on the left side of the line because they played well enough to help their team win. When Campbell's injury happened everyone was devastated because it looked like a very promising season was over. Even though he returned to the field, his season was over from the performance perspective. Campbell did not look the same after returning. As you point out the coaches thought that a limited Campbell was the better option. This situation highlights a depth issue at LT as opposed to having a starter perform poorly due to injury.
 
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