Brady Sr - Brady's Future in New England is Up to Bill

PatsBoy12 · Dec 6, 2019

Isn't this what most of us thought already? I know I did.

Boomer B · Dec 6, 2019

It’s a weird situation. If Bill decides to move on from Brady who’s he moving on to? There’s no other elite QB on the market so whoever we move on to is gonna be a step back. We have a SB caliber D, we add a few pieces we can have a competent O. We move on from Brady we are not sniffing another SB until we get someone really good to replace him.

Ring 6 · Dec 6, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I’ll say it again: not giving Brady the extension he wanted was a bad move by the Patriots. For the first time, the Patriots themselves are “the doubters” that motivate Brady. He has talked about playing into his mid-40s for years. He has taken so many hometown discounts and increased the value of this franchise in a massive way. The Patriots should be bending over backwards to let Brady decide how long he wants to play for. While most NFL players don’t have the luxury of making these decisions, Brady is the greatest ever and one of the most beloved athletes in sports history (by his fans.). Instead he is uncertain about the next few years, whether he will need to put his kids into new schools and relocate the family, etc.

If for a couple of years the Patriots aren’t 1000% competitive due to their loyalty to Brady, then so be it. The guy has been far from Brett Favre in his overtures about wanting to continue playing...they have already moved on from Jimmy G. to ride out the Brady train. Brady is just synonymous with this dynasty and the Patriots greatest run in pro sports history. Don’t put the fans in a scenario where he’s playing for another team. Do the Lakers regret overpaying Kobe for his last few years? The Yankees with Derek Jeter? Absolutely not. This is one case where a year too late is indeed better than a hear too early. Fandom is a huge part of the NFL, and this is such an enormous thing for so many Patriots fans, keeping #12 though his retirement.

They gave him an extension

Ring 6 · Dec 6, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Yes, a fake extension that voids so isn’t a real extension is exactly what he wanted

He signed it.

Ross12 · Dec 6, 2019

I've really been wondering why the hell they've been carrying Cody Kessler almost all year long. It just occurred to me that Bill may be grooming Kessler as the backup next year, or possibly to set up a QB competition between him and Stidham if he really likes Kessler.

Obviously we all love Brady, but if Bill thinks Stidham (or I guess Kessler) is at least above average then Bill frees up quite a lot of cap space for several years to make some substantial moves. QB gets worse but your line might get better, you can get a TE... He may think he can win with defense and trust his young QB to keep things above water and make some plays at the end like in the old days before Tom was Tom.

Just thinking out loud.

mgteich · Dec 6, 2019

OPEN QUESTION
Do the patriots have a better chance to win in 2020 and 2021 with Brady at QB, or with $30M a year available to sign other players?

The alternative for 2020 at QB would be Stidham, Kessler and a draft choice.
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I see no reason for the patriots to change their approach: $25M-$30M a 3 year contract with Year 2 and Year 3 being voidable years. This wasn't a competitive deal last year, and it won't be this year. Obviously, it is possible that Belichick won't even offer this much.

I suspect that Brady expected Gronk to stay this year. In 2020, he MAY have Edelman back, and no other WR's and TE's that he can depend on.

Ross12 said:
I've really been wondering why the hell they've been carrying Cody Kessler almost all year long. It just occurred to me that Bill may be grooming Kessler as the backup next year, or possibly to set up a QB competition between him and Stidham if he really likes Kessler.

Obviously we all love Brady, but if Bill thinks Stidham (or I guess Kessler) is at least above average then Bill frees up quite a lot of cap space for several years to make some substantial moves. QB gets worse but your line might get better, you can get a TE... He may think he can win with defense and trust his young QB to keep things above water and make some plays at the end like in the old days before Tom was Tom.

Just thinking out loud.

denverpatsfan · Dec 6, 2019

If it was up to Bill he would have been gone already. I thought that was the story? Confused here with this team.

Jlaff · Dec 6, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
Had TWO opportunities to draft Lamar Jackson

Jackson 25 TD 5 INT, 109 passer rating...950 yards rushing

Belichick would never draft someone at the quarterback position with a near all time low Wonderlic score and the physical characteristics of fetal alcohol syndrome.

BaconGrundleCandy · Dec 6, 2019

Jlaff said:
Belichick would never draft someone at the quarterback position with a near all time low Wonderlic score and the physical characteristics of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Ouch, I take it you thought Jackson was a 7th Rd WR?

mgteich · Dec 6, 2019

Kessler will compete with Stidham in 2020. I don't think that more reason is needed. As an aside, this is true no matter what happens to Brady.

Ross12 said:
I've really been wondering why the hell they've been carrying Cody Kessler almost all year long. It just occurred to me that Bill may be grooming Kessler as the backup next year, or possibly to set up a QB competition between him and Stidham if he really likes Kessler.

Obviously we all love Brady, but if Bill thinks Stidham (or I guess Kessler) is at least above average then Bill frees up quite a lot of cap space for several years to make some substantial moves. QB gets worse but your line might get better, you can get a TE... He may think he can win with defense and trust his young QB to keep things above water and make some plays at the end like in the old days before Tom was Tom.

Just thinking out loud.

upstater1 · Dec 6, 2019

sean10mm said:
Why are people here just assuming that Brady wants kookoo bananas insane contract terms when he's never done that before? Where is this even coming from? Did somebody post a rumor on twitter that everybody's just taking as gospel or something?

It's like a clique of posters here just started taking it for granted that Brady is acting in bad faith trying to crap on the team out of nowhere and it's confusing as hell.

It could be that Brady always took longterm deals below market, but when the Patriots decided they would not extend his contract for more than a year, he asked for a salary increase instead. This makes sense since the 1 year contract limits the team's risk, but you have to pay for that limit on the back end. Brady probably felt slighted. As in, "I've been taking below market pay forever, and now you're giving me a one year contract??"

Ian · Dec 6, 2019

Ross12 said:
I've really been wondering why the hell they've been carrying Cody Kessler almost all year long. It just occurred to me that Bill may be grooming Kessler as the backup next year, or possibly to set up a QB competition between him and Stidham if he really likes Kessler.

Obviously we all love Brady, but if Bill thinks Stidham (or I guess Kessler) is at least above average then Bill frees up quite a lot of cap space for several years to make some substantial moves. QB gets worse but your line might get better, you can get a TE... He may think he can win with defense and trust his young QB to keep things above water and make some plays at the end like in the old days before Tom was Tom.

Just thinking out loud.

Kessler is here because Brady's been banged up and sitting out practices, so they brought in another player to help break up the reps so that Stidham wouldn't have to run everything. I recall Mike Reiss talking about it a while ago and it makes sense. I also recall Brady even admitting recently he's had to miss a few practices over the last month after getting nicked up. So that's likely the reason.

Ross12 · Dec 6, 2019

Ian said:
Kessler is here because Brady's been banged up and sitting out practices, so they brought in another player to help break up the reps so that Stidham wouldn't have to run everything. I recall Mike Reiss talking about it a while ago and it makes sense. I also recall Brady even admitting recently he's had to miss a few practices over the last month after getting nicked up. So that's likely the reason.

I suppose that makes sense, but curious why that player has to be on the 53 to do so and can’t be someone on the practice squad. Seems like there’s at least slightly more investment in the player from Bill beyond just having someone to help Stidham.

PatsFanSince74 · Dec 6, 2019

condon84 said:
I doubt Brady needs the extra money. Maybe he still feels underappreciated. Seems odd that he all of a sudden wants to get paid more money when this team really needs the salary cap room to sign players who may be able to help him.

I've been fortunate to know people with a lot of money (a lot more than Brady has).
At some point, it's "all about the money" for all of them.
Whether we like it or not, money is the yardstick. Yes, Rings and Lombardi's matter...of course they do. But, in the end, it's "Follow the money."

Joker · Dec 7, 2019

PatsFanSince74 said:
I've been fortunate to know people with a lot of money (a lot more than Brady has).
At some point, it's "all about the money" for all of them.
Whether we like it or not, money is the yardstick. Yes, Rings and Lombardi's matter...of course they do. But, in the end, it's "Follow the money."

and so?....you wanna SHARE some of that good fortune with the rest of us poor slobs? I'll work as chauffeur/gardener/Man Friday/bodyguard and dog sitter for the right price...

TheBostonStraggler · Dec 7, 2019

Froob said:
Breaking: Brady possibly staying in New England?

Yea, that pretty much nails it. HUGE! Storyline: if Patriot GM doesn't want Brady, Brady won't be a Patriot and may play somewhere else, and some teams may be interested in signing him.

At least from what quotes the OP posted, there's virtually no story there unless you do a Sports Media cutting and pasting of phrases. For example: Huge! Headline: Tom Brady Sr says "some other teams want to sign Brady". Weak...

cmasspatsfan · Dec 7, 2019

I believe TB wants to play here next year, I believe BB wants TB next year, how much money is the issue that will determine if hes here next year, simple as that.

PatsFanSince74 · Dec 7, 2019

Joker said:
and so?....you wanna SHARE some of that good fortune with the rest of us poor slobs? I'll work as chauffeur/gardener/Man Friday/bodyguard and dog sitter for the right price...

It ain't my good fortune, it's their's...most people with that kind of money aren't into "sharing."

PP2 · Dec 7, 2019

PatsFanSince74 said:
I've been fortunate to know people with a lot of money (a lot more than Brady has).
At some point, it's "all about the money" for all of them.
Whether we like it or not, money is the yardstick. Yes, Rings and Lombardi's matter...of course they do. But, in the end, it's "Follow the money."

Couldn't agree more. I've been around filthy rich people who use money as the barometer by which everything else is measured, and it's disgusting.

Those who put an uncommon value on money are condemned to live by it, and to make things worse, being rich is its own curse- the more you have of it, the more you want of it.

That's the reason why, even though an ******* like Bezos is pocketing $6 billion a month, he is putting his nose to the grind even more- slashing health care benefits for part time workers, cutting corners else where, still trying to max out profit margins, suddenly getting jacked, getting eye correction surgery and face surgery.

Because money... yeah sure, that brings you happiness.

Doctor DDS · Dec 7, 2019

If BB let's Brady go then he either thinks Stidham is further along than most of us think and/or no longer believes Brady is elite and worth the contract. The 2020 Patriots are set up to be Super Bowl contenders with a top QB so it would be a massive risk to turn the keys over to Stidham.

I have believed for years that the Pats could have been very successful in the regular season with a top 15 QB instead of Brady but would not have been nearly as successful in the post season. 2014 Ravens, 2014 Seahawks, 2016 Falcons, 2017 Jacksonville, 2018 Chiefs do not happen w/o Brady. Too big of a risk in my opinion to move on at this time. Maybe after next year.

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