uh-oh Dwayne Allen finds offense very hard to learn

Biffins is going to have an "I don't care, I can't stand it!" level thread about something within the first quarter of the season. That's my stone cold lock of the week, folks.

he's sayign that now, after camp and OTAs, means its not easy, but that he's accomplishing it

we knew from like day 2 that galloway, Ocho, and Wayne couldn't handle it

PatsFan37 said:

I agree. He said all the right things. Plus, TEs have a harder time than receivers if they're expected to do everything a TE can do (that is, not just block and run up the seam). TE has one of the broadest scopes of any skill position on the team. If Gronk is injured, Allen could see the field on almost every snap and be expected to line up all across the LOS. It's a lot to know.

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BB has said that TE is the second hardest position on the offense after QB.

Why does it always seem to be ex Colts that struggle in the Pats system?

Possible roster cut. Anyone rooting for OShaugnassey or Hollister to make the team has to be thinking about this roster spot.

I'm missing Martellus

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Minitron said:

I'm just gonna leave that here. Watch from 1:16.
Good Morning Football

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Confused what this has to do with the thread.

Allen knows a lot of fake punt plays, though.

TheFlyingWedge said:

Why does it always seem to be ex Colts that struggle in the Pats system?

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Their system is too simple?

I already posted a thread in how Bennett's departure will hurt us. I continue to be profoundly pessimistic about this season, which is starting to remind me more and more of '02.

neckroll#14 said:

The offense cannot simultaneously be complex and expected to provide a tangible competitive advantage and be easy to learn. If it were, then opposing coaches (smart ones at least) would quickly figure out how to defend it...

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That syllogism doesn't follow, since a simple offense could be hard to defend too.

The correct reasoning is that if the offense were not complex, the other teams could copy (not defend) it. Since it's been so successful, we know teams want to copy it: they can't due to its complexity.

K. Dog said:

I already posted a thread in how Bennett's departure will hurt us. I continue to be profoundly pessimistic about this season, which is starting to remind me more and more of '02.

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While emotionally I too miss this great team guy who played hurt and was more talented than this season's #2 TE, the TE position is not my concern for 2017. Starter & depth at DE is current #1 concern given current health status of all positions. Next to that, various concerns about OL, as always. Gotta protect The Franchise(s).
I get ZERO 2002 vibe. None.

K. Dog said:

I already posted a thread in how Bennett's departure will hurt us. I continue to be profoundly pessimistic about this season, which is starting to remind me more and more of '02.

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You continue to prove why you are easily the stupidest poster here.

rookBoston said:

Possible roster cut. Anyone rooting for OShaugnassey or Hollister to make the team has to be thinking about this roster spot.

I'm missing Martellus

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They just shelled out a pick and has guaranteed money coming his way.

He isnt going anywhere.

K. Dog said:

That syllogism doesn't follow, since a simple offense could be hard to defend too.

The correct reasoning is that if the offense were not complex, the other teams could copy (not defend) it. Since it's been so successful, we know teams want to copy it: they can't due to its complexity.

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Some of it can be a style preference by the coach as well. The (fittingly) over-simplified way I see it is, there are two general schools of thought when it comes to coaching in the NFL:

A) You have a complex system that requires a lot of differently responsibilities from each player, all of which have to identify that requirement in real time as situations evolve. This has the advantage of being more adaptable and harder to gameplan against, but also requires more cerebral players and can lead to more breakdowns.

B) You focus on a simpler scheme, and rely on superior athleticism as well as the idea that you can (theoretically) practice these simpler plays with more regularity and really perfect them. I see a team like Seattle on defense and think this way. They don't do a lot of exotic things on defense, they're just so well regimented in it and have such good talent at key positions that it's hard to beat.

Where I think Belichick succeeds more than others is he has been able to implemented "A" style systems, while still minimizing the catastrophic breakdowns. Brady helps this on the offensive side of course.

K. Dog said:

I already posted a thread in how Bennett's departure will hurt us. I continue to be profoundly pessimistic about this season, which is starting to remind me more and more of '02.

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My goodness.

I'm not sure what you are basing this on?

They just won the SB with a roster 10x more talented than 2001.

This offense isn't easy to learn but it is a lot easier for RBs and TEs. I think he will be okay. So far no RB or TE has been unable to learn it.

robertweathers said:

My goodness.

I'm not sure what you are basing this on?

They just won the SB with a roster 10x more talented than 2001.

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He is a stupid troll ****y. Worred about complete nonsense. A few weeks ago it was the Patriots did something completely non-Patriot like and shelled out big money for Gilmore while using examples of Moss etc or previous big signings.

He had no clue who Adalius Thomas was and what that deal was etc etc.

Just laugh at him like everyone else does.

im a

Minitron said:

I'm just gonna leave that here. Watch from 1:16.
Good Morning Football

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i've been watching and im at 1:38 and they are talking about the vikings?

PatsWickedPissah said:

While emotionally I too miss this great team guy who played hurt and was more talented than this season's #2 TE, the TE position is not my concern for 2017. Starter & depth at DE is current #1 concern given current health status of all positions. Next to that, various concerns about OL, as always. Gotta protect The Franchise(s).
I get ZERO 2002 vibe. None.

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Well, you're wrong. This team doesn't have the cohesion, intelligence, drive of '16 (which to be fair was unprecedented in those respects).

Between the OL, the DE situation, aging at a number of speed- and quickness-sensitive positions, the loss of the 4-game rest period, the loss of Long and Bennett (and Ryan, and Blount), the uncertain Gronk durability, the unknown effect on chemistry of the unprecedented Gilmore contract (probably already hampering the DE search) not to mention Gilmore himself. Not enough genius new players, or experienced vets, for the complicated schemes to work this year. Not just on offense, think of all those DL shifts and fake blitzes in say the Ravens game. And let's face it, 5 was about something more than a trophy, the players were playing for something greater than themselves.

K. Dog said:

Well, you're wrong. This team doesn't have the cohesion, intelligence, drive of '16 (which to be fair was unprecedented in those respects).

Between the OL, the DE situation, aging at a number of speed- and quickness-sensitive positions, the loss of the 4-game rest period, the loss of Long and Bennett (and Ryan, and Blount), the uncertain Gronk durability, the unknown effect on chemistry of the unprecedented Gilmore contract not to mention himself. Not enough genius new players or vets in their plan for the complicated schemes to work this year. Not just on offense, think of all those DL shifts and fake blitzes (Butler blitzing at one point) in say the Ravens game. And let's face it, 5 was about something more than a trophy, the players were playing for something greater than themselves.

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You telling someone else they are wrong, particularly PWP who has forgotten more about football than you could ever hope to dream to know is LAUGHABLE.

Also I see you are AGAIN trying to claim that this 17 team does not have the cohesion or intelligence of last years team. How the fuk do you know? Are you at the player meetings and with them on the field?

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