How many coaches wouldn't take the league MVP? Answer that seriously. Somebody brought up this poll, then I responded to that person. Tell HIM to shut up. The question in the poll wasn't who is the most skilled QB, it was who would you pick for your team if you can pick anybody. Ask the same question now or in 2004, and you might find a completely different answer to the question, and that's a totally valid point. Manning was MVP three times...Brady once. The timing of the questions sure as sh!t DID play a part.
The argument in this thread is who is more skilled. As of 2008, most NFL coaches asserted that Brady was who they'd want as their QB: aka, he was the most skilled. If you want to say that that's changed now because Brady hurt his knee last year, then fine, I don't really care one way or the other. But either way, the fact that 78% of coaches chose him when they did completely contradicts your point that Manning is the more skilled QB.
And if you asked the same question in 2004, when Brady was fresh off of his 3rd SB in 4 years, and was 26 years old and had 2 SB MVPs, I'm pretty positive you'd get the same exact answer.
At which point did you consider that I wasn't a troll? At this point you are totally twisting things to serve your own purpose that it's transparent and laughable. You have a problem with my talking about a poll that somebody else brought up...you won't consider what I said or put the poll in perspective at all. Here is the part where I'm "putting up." Maybe you should try the same in this poll.
I brought up that poll. I considered what you said, and it's a giant straw-man. You're arguing against a position that nobody took. It's deflection, and it's pathetically transparent. See the above for my reasons why.
Ha, ha. Go back and read what you just said. -2 is less than -1; that's a fact. It's an indisputable fact. If Brady is better than Manning or the other way around, that's an opinion...like whether Coke is better than Pepsi. Is their a way to PROVE one is better than the other? Huge fundamental difference. The examples you bring up are completely bogus.
Other facts:
Indoor QB rating, career:
Manning: 100.4
Brady: 104.7
Outdoor QB rating, career:
Manning: 88.3
Brady: 91.9
Turf QB rating, career:
Manning: 99.0
Brady: 103.3
Grass QB rating, career:
Manning: 87.8
Brady: 87.2
Away QB rating, career:
Manning: 89.9
Brady: 94.1
Fact: that volume stats (yards passed, total touchdowns, total attempts) have as much to do with quantity of play as quality of play. And next time you're inclined to use volume stats, be sure to at least include this one:
Career interceptions:
Brady: 86
Manning: 165
That's the crux of all of this: we bring facts to the debate, you bring conjecture. That's why nobody takes you seriously, and that's why you're a troll.
Yeah right, and when I do bring up some facts, they are easily discarded without the same consideration you fell I should have. Then somebody calls me three names, the subject gets changed, and the whole reason why I disagree is because I'm stupid and don't listen. Uh-huh.
Get real.
Go and find a 'fact' that you've brought up that couldn't be easily countered.
) Even with the expanded cap #, this is a ridiculous hit % wise for one player IMO. If one is the elite player on one's offense both salary and cap wise, and has a whole offense and team build around him philosophy and talent wise one SHOULD be expected to carry the majority of the load IMO. Fact is that unless Manning ever plays on a team that has an average type crew on offense and helps them win a bowl, no one can definitively say he is better than Brady because Brady HAS done that.
