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I wonder if in retrospect we look back at the cameragate/Manginagate story as the beginning of the NFL's reversion to the "wild west" of non-collusive league management, throwing out the progress of the Rozelle/Tagliabue eras in favor of growth, labor peace, and stability.

Is it 2009 that threatens to be uncapped or 2010? I stopped tracking of late. But you have to wonder the difference between Kraft's assessment 2 years ago and his assessment now, in terms of teams being business partners in a shared venture (the league.)

On the other hand, you have to wonder how this whole issue has positively affected NE merchandise sales. Face it, every Pat fan you know has had to go out and buy at least a bumper sticker if not a hoodie extra to further express his pride... the ratings were through the roof all last year when the league featured the Pats... in fact, you could look at last season as the NFL finally absorbing some of the WWE's model.

Now extrapolate, for the conspiracy-minded: What if Goodell, Kraft, Mangina, and Belichick are all reading from the same script?

Okay, now THAT would make me lose faith in the league

PFnV
 
Except it would be kind of cool to watch BB go after Mangina with a folding chair in th post-game handshake portion of the program.
 
Im all for it , but I will just play the wait and see game tom to see what happens.. I think Spaztor will try to keep alive ,and may use Espn to help him keep it alive..
 
I'm open to any and every idea on fighting back the national media campaign lead by ESPN and being waged against the Patriots. For whatever reason, Mr Kraft & the Patriots organization have not been able to defend themselves and I've had it.

I'll throw the first proposal out there;

Picket ESPN studios - This could force our voices to be heard. We'd need a spokesperson who could represent the Patriots, their fans and the truth who could speak to the media and deliver our message. AND we'd need a huge turnout!

What do you guys think?

Whatever you do you will be characterized as a loony Patriots homer denying facts. (I know you have facts for them that they ignore, but that is not what they'll say.)

I say the only revenge is to get this, or whatever and the NFL network. A large group, say for opening day hits them in the wallet.

You want to hit them in the journalistic ethics and will fail because they have none.
 
Don't you think Bob Kraft (who is obviously a very shrewd businessman) should invest in better PR personnel? The Patriots have decided to take the high road and not defend themselves from all of these allegations...I don't think the fans need to start a crusade when the owners of the business are (visibly) unconcerned.

What all you guys wondering when the Patriots respond, it is Freaking May. No games = no leverage. Whine in September if ESPN has complete access to ell 32 teams. (ESPN: your source for 31/32 of the NFL!)

We saw it small scale at the draft, but without games...
 
I believe the ESPN's coverage of "Spygate" is just another example of the continuing downward spiral of their network. ESPN's senior management has clearly adopted a strategy of being an "entertainment" network built around sports. Look at the quality of their staff. Most of their "reporters" should be writing for the National Enquirer. Just imagine the tagline - "Patriots are really Aliens intent on conquering the World, by Talking Heads John Clayton and Merrill Hoge".

ESPN has had their heyday. Like most corporations their product is getting old and obsolete, and their attempts to spruce up their product is moving them away from their original mission and values. We don't have to do anything. ESPN sucks by design now. We can just sit back and watch them fail... kind of like the Jets and Raiders.
 
Maybe Casale of Patriots FW can start sending them emails. He good at that, I understand.
 
Let's face it in today's society picketing a building isn't going to do much but provide some comic relief for all the Pats haters out there.

I'm no Einstein but to me the most obvious form of protest for those (myself included) who think the Patriots have been and continue to be treated unfairly in the media (ESPN in particular) would be to boycott any and all sponsors of ESPN, their parent companies (Walt Disney and Hearst Corporation) and any and all networks affiliated with parent companies, commercial sponsors, etc...

The sudden complete cutoff of consumer purchasing of all New England Patriots fans in total would be devastating to ESPN in these trying economic times and would most certainly cause heads to roll if it was well planned and executed.

As the saying goes "Money talks, BS walks"

P.S. I don't personally have the time or resources to head off such a campaign but I myself would certainly abide by a "Do not purchase" list if it was circulated amongst NE Patriots fans.

That's just my two cents....and I'd rather ESPN not benefit from it.

Hate to burst your bubble; especially if it is a lovely bubble.

Let's use some ball park numbers. What is the US population 6,000,000?

Let's say 300 million are actively NFL fans. (I think I'm over estimating, but let's say I'm including NBA fans who are casual NFL fans, etc.)
1/32 of that is Patriot fans. That is 3 million let's assume about 50% rate of people going along with the boycott. (Primarily Red Sox fans, etc.)
1.5 million sounds huge, but 1.5 is 0.5% of the 300 million.

If you boycott, do it because it makes you feel better, but expect to have about 0.5% effect.
 
I nominate you, brutha!

(btw, bring the kids - - there's an awesome waterpark/amusement park accross the street called Lake Compounce).

Are you talking about Lake Compost, because that is what that park should be reduced to, one of the worst I have ever been in.
 
I say let's take the opposite approach.

Don't picket ESPN. Sure, you can stop watching and maybe even boycott their sponsors.

However, if you really want to hurt them, support their competition. By NFL Network. Put your money where your mouth is. If enough people by NFL Network, it will create a windfall of revenues for them and would certainly get the attention of the cable companies.

If NFLN ever gets on the basic package (especially with enough increase in revenue to branch out to other sports), it is LIGHTS OUT for ESPN.

I'm going to do my part... I never watch ESPN anymore anyway, but I am going to add NFLN to my cable subscription.
 
Hate to burst your bubble; especially if it is a lovely bubble.

Let's use some ball park numbers. What is the US population 6,000,000?

Let's say 300 million are actively NFL fans. (I think I'm over estimating, but let's say I'm including NBA fans who are casual NFL fans, etc.)
1/32 of that is Patriot fans. That is 3 million let's assume about 50% rate of people going along with the boycott. (Primarily Red Sox fans, etc.)
1.5 million sounds huge, but 1.5 is 0.5% of the 300 million.

If you boycott, do it because it makes you feel better, but expect to have about 0.5% effect.

The US population is about 300,000,000. Your above breakdown assumes that you can produce 300 football fans for every 6 people, but I believe you meant to say that out of every two people one is an active NFL fan (if you believe there are 600,000,000 people in the US.)

Okay I agree with you Castle but man your stats and math are driving me nuts.

Using the real numbers -

300 million people total

The Super Bowl drew about 93 million people last year
http://gonewengland.about.com/od/bostonsports/a/blpatsbasics08.htm

I personally would put the even casual follower of the NFL at about half that, or 46-47 million people. The people who actual talk about the game at the water cooler the next morning might be half of that number, or 23 million. I think at least in very rough terms that's the real number of "football fans" out there. You could go at it other ways - see how many people watch 2 or more games every sunday, for example. But I think that gets us in the neighborhood.

I also think you can say more than 1/32 are Patriots fans. For one thing, small market teams like Minnesota, buffalo, and Arizona don't get a proportional draw of the market just based on the size of their home base (Even if New York skews the curve singlehandedly.) For another thing, NE has a decent-sized national following. The Raiders and Cowboys, if the jerseys and caps you still see when you're out and about are anything to judge by, are still the kings of this phenomenon, but I think the Pats are getting to the middle tier -- like the 9ers etc. All that to say, you have a couple more math errors in your equation, but we still end up with a million or two going along with the boycott, if every "real" fan does it.

At 3 million, you get 1% of the total market of 300 million. But what's the possible market for mens' shaving products, for instance? probably 100 million, tops (kids don't shave, remember.) How about the markets for upscale luxury items -- cars for instance -- among Bostonians versus the rest of the country? Interesting thing about a relatively high cost of living: your luxury items are comparatively less "luxurious" when you have to crack six figures just to make the mortgage on your condo -- the old Yuppie phenomenon: you live in a space smaller than a single-wide trailer, and you drive an imported luxury car. Back to the caps, jerseys, etc... I think the Pats are still among the top "valued" franchises. That is a good estimate of what fans have spent on a team -- and, you would assume, what they can afford to spend on product in general.

Anyway, those market dynamics come into play as well. And you know, I think IF you had EVERY SINGLE Boston sports fan participating, not only would you have a slight economic impact, you would also have a significant media presence.

The thing is, you would not get that participation. You would get a fraction of that, in a boycott strategy. Cameragate's a media phenomenon, driven by media events. Tuesday the 13th will be one such event. The Walsh tapes handoff was another. As each event hits, the story is in the news for a while, then it goes away again. Out of sight out of mind.

That's why I favor getting more of the right info into the hands of the talking heads, so ESPN-style hate speech can be countered with accurate and proportional factual reporting.

As much as we dislike a media outlet, and as much as it is our right to boycott, the injustice done is to our sports allegiance, not a race, gender or ethnic group. We're not going to be marching on Selma here, and we should all recognize the difference. Smack talk at the bar or the water cooler isn't the same thing as redlining, lunch counter segregation, or even glass cielings. At last resort, we can choose not to participate in the frenzy, not taking up the cause every time we read or hear an ignorant "cheater" comment. You can't do that when the issue is having enough gas for your car, enough food to eat, or the right to use the same bathroom or join the same club as the next guy.

So anyway if you can get such a boycott to work, count me in. I just agree with Castle that it would be ineffectual.

I'm a big fan of finding the appropriate recourse and pursuing it, and if I thought a boycott would work, I would at least spew a bunch of enthusiasm about it on a board... I just don't see it happening.

PFnV
 
Are you talking about Lake Compost, because that is what that park should be reduced to, one of the worst I have ever been in.

Our kids are 8 and 4.

It probably isn't much fun for a 16 year old.

The place was clean, the water rides/park were great. It was 400 times better than that Quassy Park not too far away (in fact, you may be confusing it with Quassy). We went there the year before. Lake Compounce probably seemed like heaven to us compared to that rusting dump.
 
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The US population is about 300,000,000. Your above breakdown assumes that you can produce 300 football fans for every 6 people, but I believe you meant to say that out of every two people one is an active NFL fan (if you believe there are 600,000,000 people in the US.)

Okay I agree with you Castle but man your stats and math are driving me nuts.

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So anyway if you can get such a boycott to work, count me in. I just agree with Castle that it would be ineffectual.

I'm a big fan of finding the appropriate recourse and pursuing it, and if I thought a boycott would work, I would at least spew a bunch of enthusiasm about it on a board... I just don't see it happening.

PFnV
I stand corrected, but still stand. Besides, if it makes me feel better...

Oh can someone tell me who all sponsors are? I don't watch ESPN anymore. In fact if it is on at the health club and no one is watching it, I'll change it to the History Channel.
 
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I'm open to any and every idea on fighting back the national media campaign lead by ESPN and being waged against the Patriots. For whatever reason, Mr Kraft & the Patriots organization have not been able to defend themselves and I've had it.

I'll throw the first proposal out there;

Picket ESPN studios - This could force our voices to be heard. We'd need a spokesperson who could represent the Patriots, their fans and the truth who could speak to the media and deliver our message. AND we'd need a huge turnout!

What do you guys think?

Strange how allegiences affect perception...in my corner of the world (Charger territory), the perception is ESPN mostly pro-Patriots.
 
Strange how allegiences affect perception...in my corner of the world (Charger territory), the perception is ESPN mostly pro-Patriots.

That's because in Charger country apparantly videotaping outside is death-penalty offense.
 
Strange how allegiences affect perception...in my corner of the world (Charger territory), the perception is ESPN mostly pro-Patriots.

that's because your not familiar with the underhandedness of nyers.
 
That's because in Charger country apparantly videotaping outside is death-penalty offense.

Kind of like how in New England a failed steroids test means that you should have a lifetime ban? Of course, if you get caught taking HGH, that's OK...like I said, allegiances alter perception.
 
Strange how allegiences affect perception...in my corner of the world (Charger territory), the perception is ESPN mostly pro-Patriots.

You admit to being in Charger country? At least their was no dancing film in the camera.
 
Kind of like how in New England a failed steroids test means that you should have a lifetime ban? Of course, if you get caught taking HGH, that's OK...like I said, allegiances alter perception.

At least Rodney didn't dance.
 
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