NYT: Walsh sends tapes to Goodell, NO walkthrough tape, all from 2000-2002

[DarrylS]

Re: Tomase Column: Walsh gives eight Pats tapes to NFL

Mike Reiss, pretty much says the same thing.. interesting that Tomase did not admit he made a mistake.. unf...ingbelievable, such a big brou-ha-ha over nothing and all that occured here is an ingrate, low life former Pats lackey got a lot of face time. There are some interesting Herald comments at the end.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...05/08/walsh_has_tapes_but_not_of_walkthrough/

Former Patriots employee Matt Walsh certified in writing that he will turn over eight stolen videotapes to the NFL that show the signals of opposing teams, but the smoking gun that some believed Walsh might provide - a tape of the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough prior to Super Bowl XXXVI in 2002 - is not included.

more stories like thisAs part of Walsh's certification, he signed off that all videotapes and documents in his possession - from 2000-02 - have been handed over to the NFL, eliminating the possibility he has a tape of the walkthrough.

The NFL has not yet seen the tapes, only the certification letter. The tapes will be delivered to the league office today.

Under an agreement between the NFL and Walsh, today marked the deadline for Walsh to turn over all materials in his possession that related to the Patriots' videotaping of opponents.

As part of the agreement, the Patriots agreed not to pursue legal action against Walsh as long as he returned the stolen tapes and boxes of stolen memorabilia, and speaks truthfully with commissioner Roger Goodell Tuesday in New York.

According to the certification document obtained by the Globe, the tapes include:

Signals from Dolphins coaches in a game Sept. 24, 2000.

Offensive and defensive signals of Dolphins coaches from a game Oct. 7, 2001.

Signals from Bills coaches from a Nov. 11, 2001, game.

Signals from Browns coaches from a game Dec. 9, 2001.

Two tapes of signals from Steelers coaches from the 2001 AFC Championship game, held Jan. 27, 2002.

Signals from Chargers coaches from a game Sept. 29, 2002.

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[DefenseRules]

Re: Tomase Column: Walsh gives eight Pats tapes to NFL

Fk Tomase and the Herald. If anyone is getting off free it's that fat bastard at the Herald. I'm sorry but that report seriously ruined my Super Bowl experience. That dude has lost all credibility with me as far as I'm concerned.
And that other fat pig in New York can go SUCK IT too.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: ESPN Scroll=Walsh has tapes of Pats recording games vs. Fins, Steelers, etc.

Why waste your time with ESPN? The Pats don't even talk to them. I haven't gone to their website, listened to their radio station or watched any of their shows in over two years. THEY ARE POISON.

 

[BradfordPatsFan]

Re: ESPN Scroll=Walsh has tapes of Pats recording games vs. Fins, Steelers, etc.

espn is based in Connecticut

There are plenty of UConn football and basketball fans who would tell you that ESPN "hates" UConn too. Their location in CT has nothing to do with allegiances.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Re: ESPN Scroll=Walsh has tapes of Pats recording games vs. Fins, Steelers, etc.

conn. = ny east

True dat!!!

 

[FootballFanetic]

pretty fair assessment of the situation actually. My only beef is that I think the media has deliberately played down the fact that since "spygate" broke it has been admitted that they taped since 2000. It seems ridiculous that even pretty attentive fans aren't aware of that, which means the media did selectively report certain things.

Many thanks for the objectivity (no sarcasm intended). I honestly only recall them saying that the taping went back to 2000 after the Walsh story broke--do you have a link to an earlier story from the fall on that?

 

[blackglass3]

Many thanks for the objectivity (no sarcasm intended). I honestly only recall them saying that the taping went back to 2000 after the Walsh story broke--do you have a link to an earlier story from the fall on that?

I agree with Wildo, BTW. Just putting that out there publicly.

 

[pats1]

Jay Glazer knows what he's talking about:

"Even I have spying tape in my house. How is Walsh any different?"

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&tab...s:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A

 

[blackglass3]

Even Gary Myers or the Daily News is reporting this as "Nothing New". These hacks at ESPN really need to let these things go and find another team to demonize...if NY's papers are saying it's over, it's OVER.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...8-05-07_pats_exvideo_guy_has_nothing_new.html

 

[GuyClinch]

Was taping signals illegal then? I thought the memo was recent. <g>

 

[BradfordPatsFan]

Then you have Gerry Callahan on WEEI this morning...

He thinks that the "sophisticated nature" of the AFCCG tape means it is clear that they used them during a game and if the Steelers felt compelled to change their signals during the game, then the Patriots were successful in their "stealing" of signs.

Even John Dennis and Meatpuppet were in agreement that the Herald was wrong (of course Callahan writes for the Herald) and that this story is now dead and burried. Callahan will not let it go.


EDIT: He fails to mention that at least one of the tapes is dated after the game it was taken from.

 

[shmessy]

Then you have Gerry Callahan on WEEI this morning...

He thinks that the "sophisticated nature" of the AFCCG tape means it is clear that they used them during a game and if the Steelers felt compelled to change their signals during the game, then the Patriots were successful in their "stealing" of signs.

Even John Dennis and Meatpuppet were in agreement that the Herald was wrong (of course Callahan writes for the Herald) and that this story is now dead and burried. Callahan will not let it go.


EDIT: He fails to mention that at least one of the tapes is dated after the game it was taken from.

Can someone PLEASE send Gerry Roswell Callahan this?:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH Final
--- --- --- --- -----
New England 7 7 7 3 24
Pittsburgh 0 3 14 0 17

Can someone ALSO inform that clown that the Patriots scored 14 of their 24 points on Special teams that day?

 

[Rob0729]

Can someone PLEASE send Gerry Roswell Callahan this?:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH Final
--- --- --- --- -----
New England 7 7 7 3 24
Pittsburgh 0 3 14 0 17

Can someone ALSO inform that clown that the Patriots scored 14 of their 24 points on Special teams that day?

Yeah, the only TD the Pats scored in the second half was a blocked field goal.

That is why I hate Dennis and Calahan so much (well along with Callahan's warped ultra conservative views that makes Pat Robertson a hippie liberal). They go to ludicrious ends to have a contrarian view for every argument. Usually though, they have Meterperel as the moron contrarian.

Note to moderators: I am not trying to political. I just think Callahan's views of the world are so warped that it goes beyond politics.

 

[dante828]

The Herald are not going to be sued anyway. I hate them, I hate Tomasse, but I really wish people would drop the Herald lawsuit stuff, it's not gonna happen.

I am glad someone said it, there will be no lawsuits because of this. I don't think it would be cost effective and doubt they would win anyway. I could be wrong, but I would like to see a similar case where the plaintiff got a huge judgment or settlement before I believe any suit is brought.

 

[shmessy]

I am glad someone said it, there will be no lawsuits because of this. I don't think it would be cost effective and doubt they would win anyway. I could be wrong, but I would like to see a similar case where the plaintiff got a huge judgment or settlement before I believe any suit is brought.

Well, well, well. Looks like the Boston Herald is no stranger to this kind of situation (and courtroom loss) after all:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/us/08herald.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Otherwise:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502E0DC1038F933A15751C1A962948260

Then there were these:

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70810FE385C0C748EDDAD0894DC484D81

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6DB113DF932A25754C0A9659C8B63

 

[BradyManny]

Can someone PLEASE send Gerry Roswell Callahan this?:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH Final
--- --- --- --- -----
New England 7 7 7 3 24
Pittsburgh 0 3 14 0 17

Can someone ALSO inform that clown that the Patriots scored 14 of their 24 points on Special teams that day?

The sophisticated nature of the tape would imply that it couldn't have been done during halftime or whatever these knuckleheads think. Digital tape gets digitized in real-time. It can't be edited during half-time.

 

[Pats726]

But don't let the facts get in the way of a story and a dumb belief....Just ridiculous...

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I'd like to see this scenario....

Goodell: "Mr. Walsh, were you the source for Tomase's article and if so what did you tell him?"

Walsh: (if he lies, he loses indemnificiation and as part of the agreement, he has to fully comply with the NFL)
" Yes but I told him there were no tapes." OR
"Yes but I made up the walkthru part" OR
"No"......and I hope he's stupid enough to lie if he was the source.OR
"No" and he wasn't the source which means that either Tomase had another source or it came from the Jason Blair school of madeup journalism....

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: NYT: Walsh sends tapes to Goodell, NO walkthrough tape, all from 2000 and 2002

Why is everyone gloating about Walsh not having a tape of the alleged Rams walkthrough..? Don't you guys realize one of the tapes is from an AFC Championship game..? Let that sink in for a few. I'm just worried of what the additional penalties will be now.

If you are worried about that, then you are worrying about nothing. Seriously. The Patriots had admitted to taping from 2000 to 2007.

In all honesty, I believe that the tapes that Walsh turned over, besides being stolen property, are just copies.

 

[JoeSixPat]

NFL Commissioner's Office - "Tapes consistent with what we already knew"

I'm sure others reported this quote from the Commissioner's office, but I thought it worthy of its own thread headline:

"There is no Rams walk-through tape, and the tapes on the list are tapes of coaching signals consistent with what we already knew and what the coach admitted he was doing based on the interpretation of the rule," league spokesman Greg Aiello said last night.

The eight tapes are of five opponents from six games, including two tapes from the Patriots' 24-17 victory over the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game on Jan.27, 2002.

"I interpreted it as you couldn't use it during the game, that current game, which was never done," Belichick said at the league meetings in April. "I've never done that. Never used any information from the game in that current game. Whatever was used was used for the future."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...8-05-07_pats_exvideo_guy_has_nothing_new.html

So since the NFL can't fault the Patriots for violating a rule change that didn't exist until 2006, the only additional punishment I can see is if Goodell asserts that the Pats had the same tapes Walsh did (and who can prove that?) and did not give them to him.

For his part, it seems that the tapes themselves may be the stolen property Walsh was worried about, no?