Umm...isn't that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

[Ochmed Jones]

What they fail to understand is that the Pats wouldn't have drafted Mayo if he didn't get a clean bill of health from the med staff.

Have you paid no attention to what Law and others have said or implied about the Pats medical staff over the years?

Since you have no real playing experience and haven't a clue about anything associated the game, from the locker room to the field, except for what you can gleam from stuff you hear or read about, I tend to usually discount your posts as uninformed ramblings.

However maybe you should take a minute and go back and research this issue in detail.

 

[Gator Mike]

For the people complaining about the heights of our cornerbacks... does it make you feel better if I point out that the two guys I think will start (Bryant and Meriweather) are both 5-11? And that should Ty Law sign, he's also 5-11?

 

[apple strudel]

Re: Umm...isn\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

Samuel\'s height was a disadvantage also.

A 60 million dollar disadvantage.

 

[sebman2112]

For the people complaining about the heights of our cornerbacks... does it make you feel better if I point out that the two guys I think will start (Bryant and Meriweather) are both 5-11? And that should Ty Law sign, he's also 5-11?

I'm not expecting Meriweather to start at CB, and I'm actually hoping he'll start at FS this season.

 

[Seymour93]

As for the OP, it is simple... some self-described draftniks get upset when the guys that they like don't get picked. Their pride has just taken a little hit. That's all.

It is a myth that BB and Pioli's overall performance in the second round has been a disaster. Look at the players we've drafted during the 2nd round... Klemm, Light, Branch, Wilson, Bethel Johnson, Hill, C. Jackson. Only two were busts. Jackson is still a question mark. Klemm was serviceable. Finally, all three of Light, Branch, and Wilson played huge parts in our success. But none of these guys will have any influence on how Wheatley turns out.

All I know is that I am now a fan of both Jerod Mayo and Terrence Wheatley. :rocker:

 

[Metaphors]

I'm happy with the picks, but I'm still hoping they draft Avril at 69th overall, and I kind of think Wheatley would have been available for that pick, but who knows.

What that says to me is that Belichick really wanted this kid, much more so than the alternatives if he happened to get picked before 69. I know nothing about Wheatley but I had the Pats taking a similar guy (Orlando Scandrick) on the 2nd day...so I'm cool with the overall direction.

I think part of the reason people might be a little bleh, is that NE seemingly (according to what everyone's read) didn't pick up one of the best CB's in the draft, and they haven't selected a pass rusher yet. A lot of posters wanted a pass rusher early.

Agree. Assuming the Pats have a good read on Wheatley, it looks like they are following the gameplan towards a more aggressive D next year. Work left to be done tomorrow (my targets):

OLB (Jeremy Thompson)
CB (Bowman)
Blocking TE (Cottam)

 

[unoriginal]

Re: Umm...isn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

Terrell Thomas, CB, would have been a better pick, IMO.

I cant post url\\\\\\\'s so go to scout.com

2007: Thomas, known for his lock-down skills on receivers returns for his second year as a starting cornerback as a senior in 2007. He had surgery on a dislocating left shoulder prior to 2007 spring practice.

Thomas is a tough Cover 2 and man corner. Physical, downhill player who plays the man instead of the ball. Giants corner.

Wheatley is faster and plays the ball in the air better, so he's suited for our Cover 3.

 

[SamBamsFan]

Re: Umm...isn\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

Samuel\'s height was a disadvantage also. Where he excelled was instinct in knowing when to jump in front of a receiver to make interceptions. Many of us forget all the times he was a second late, and the receiver went on for a decent catch and YAC too.

Also, try to remember how many times Asante was the beneficiary of an overthrown pass and he was a few yards behind the receiver but the ball went straight into Asante\'s hands.

Asante had good numbers, but anyone who is honest will see that he had a very definite height disadvantage and was beaten, may times because of it. He rarely made an interception when going one on one in a jump ball situation with a receiver.

All that being said, because of his instinct he became a very exciting player to watch, but he definitely is no where in the class of Ty Law at his best, or any of the other premiere cornerbacks in the NFL and the Eagles will find that out this year.

In close situations man on man, height vs. height, Asante was beaten more often than not. As I said, he was exciting because he had instinct when to cut in front, but for as many times as he made the int, or the pass defense, he also was a second late and beaten.

It is normal to remember only the positive and not see the negative.

Cornerbacks today need to have the height to match with the taller wide receivers coming out of college every year now.

No Wr\'s were taken in the first round today, but those in the second round, many of them were 6-2, 6-3, 6-5, and so on.

5-9 does not cut it on defense, and this Wheatly is only 177 lbs on top of that. He may end up in the hospital in mini camp.

Sorry but that is an honest way that I see it. The Pats,IMO, goofed on this one.

Mayo was fine. But we will find out more come mini and regular camp.

Check your source. Wheatley weighed in at 5'9 1/2" 187lbs at the combine.

 

[mgteich]

yup, the patriots knew that it was likely that the giants were picking a corner, and they did.

I think the Pats took Wheatley because the Giants were going to take him next, if the Pats passed on him.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Umm...isn\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

Samuel\'s height was a disadvantage also. Where he excelled was instinct in knowing when to jump in front of a receiver to make interceptions. Many of us forget all the times he was a second late, and the receiver went on for a decent catch and YAC too.

Also, try to remember how many times Asante was the beneficiary of an overthrown pass and he was a few yards behind the receiver but the ball went straight into Asante\'s hands.

Asante had good numbers, but anyone who is honest will see that he had a very definite height disadvantage and was beaten, may times because of it. He rarely made an interception when going one on one in a jump ball situation with a receiver.

All that being said, because of his instinct he became a very exciting player to watch, but he definitely is no where in the class of Ty Law at his best, or any of the other premiere cornerbacks in the NFL and the Eagles will find that out this year.

In close situations man on man, height vs. height, Asante was beaten more often than not. As I said, he was exciting because he had instinct when to cut in front, but for as many times as he made the int, or the pass defense, he also was a second late and beaten.

It is normal to remember only the positive and not see the negative.

Cornerbacks today need to have the height to match with the taller wide receivers coming out of college every year now.

No Wr\'s were taken in the first round today, but those in the second round, many of them were 6-2, 6-3, 6-5, and so on.

5-9 does not cut it on defense, and this Wheatly is only 177 lbs on top of that. He may end up in the hospital in mini camp.

Sorry but that is an honest way that I see it. The Pats,IMO, goofed on this one.

Mayo was fine. But we will find out more come mini and regular camp.

What do you think of the video you've watched on him? Also, he's listed anywhere from 5'9" to 6'0" on various sites.

He looks like a player on the video I've seen.

 

[BradfordPatsFan]

It seems like many of the people who are upset are expecting Wheatley to be a starting corner on day one. He won't be. He may not even be the "starting" nickel back next year. Wheatley will have an opportunity to return kicks and add depth to the secondary. He is replacing Willie Andrews in effect. He is probably a step up there.

Come in off of the ledge. The team has more depth and speed defensively than it did 24 hours ago. Be happy!

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Wheatley has elite speed and quickness. Mayock had him rated 64th best player, and he's the best analyst out there.

He sounds like a mix of Assante and Hobbs, but faster than both. Good pick.

 

[mmasterkillah]

The more I think about it, the more excited I get about this draft.

Mayo looks like he is a stud. I expect him to get 100 tackles for a solid 7-8 years. It might take a while to get him integrated into the defense, but I think Bruschi, Hobson and Mayo form quite the talented ILB core.

Terrence Wheatley seems to be a lot like Ellis, except more of a ballhawk. He seems to be comparable to Ellis is most ways, except I think he is more aggressive in run support.

Will he be able to shut down or leap with Burress? No, but name me 3 CB's in the L who can... for a late second round pick, I have high hopes for this kid. I think he can almost immediately play in the nickel packages and on special teams.

We now also have 3 3rd round picks tomorrow. Some interesting names:

OLB Avril
TE Stevens
S Morgan
CB Godfrey
CB/S R. Smith
G Zuttah
RB Jamaal Charles
DE Kendall Langford
DT Athya Rubin
TE Kellen Davis
TE Brad Cottam
OLB Erin Henderson
CB Antaun Molden
ILB Jon Goff
ILB Beau Bell
NT Red Bryant
OL Anthony Collins

 

[Ochmed Jones]

So we overdrafted a CB in order to keep him from the Giants?

BB has scored some big time wins doing that over the years, ie: Mankins

Lets hope Wheatley's wrist can stay healed enough for him to continue the trend.

 

[MosiT]

Re: Umm...isn\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

It seems like many of the people who are upset are expecting Wheatley to be a starting corner on day one. He won\\\'t be. He may not even be the \\\"starting\\\" nickel back next year. Wheatley will have an opportunity to return kicks and add depth to the secondary. He is replacing Willie Andrews in effect. He is probably a step up there.

Come in off of the ledge. The team has more depth and speed defensively than it did 24 hours ago. Be happy!

A kick returner in the 2nd round? What are Hobbs and Maroney?

 

[NePatriots]

I think we'll take another CB in round 3 sometime, with Chevis, Charles, Reggie, and Justin K still out there, as well as Molden and Branch. Maybe they took him on account of the KR aspect.

BTW, Adrian Peterson was made of glass last year at this time.

 

[Seymour93]

Re: Umm...isn\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

A kick returner in the 2nd round? What are Hobbs and Maroney?

Starters who don't need to be constantly risked by playing as returners.

 

[MosiT]

Re: Umm...isn\\\\\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

Check your source. Wheatley weighed in at 5\'9 1/2\" 187lbs at the combine.

Go to the draft tracker on nfl.com 2nd round 178 lbs.

 

[MosiT]

Re: Umm...isn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t that EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED?

Starters who don\\\'t need to be constantly risked by playing as returners.

That is so, but in either case, the Pats always end up putting one back there because both, especially Maroney, is a threat to break one.

But these players give the team options at other positions too. Wheatley will give them nothing and IMO wont make it past camp.

Terrell Thomas will make the Giants and he will be a starter or at the least the no. 3 corner for them.

But in either case there is nothing we can do about it now, the damage has been done and he is a Patriot. That being said all I can do is root for him and hope that I am wrong. Unfortunately I dont think I am.

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

So we overdrafted a CB in order to keep him from the Giants?

BB has scored some big time wins doing that over the years, ie: Mankins

Lets hope Wheatley's wrist can stay healed enough for him to continue the trend.

He has a metal plate there to fuse it so it hopefully isn't an issue anymore - it may reduce his ball catching skills (though numerically it doesn't seem to affect him much) but he even said he'll play with the plate until he retires to keep the wrist from being an issue in the future. We must have thought very highly of him if we didn't expect him to last until 69 and picked him without taking almost any time for the pick...I'm thrilled thus far, and hope someone like an Avril lasts to 69 so we can get some youth coming off the corner in a pass rush as well.