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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.And apparently someone's not up to addressing points relevant to football and needs to make the same insult three times.
Care to try to address the relevant facts here?
Everyone says concerns about Moss's character are invalid.
Clearly the front office DOES have concerns and covered themselves with this contract.
That radical thought has apparently earned me the nickname of Felger and a string of insults by obscure and irrelevant board members.
Yet it's difficult to ignore how the market values Moss in terms of guranteed money (which most would agree is the only relevant $):
Moss - 23 TDs, 98 catches 1493 yards = $12 million
Stallworth - 3 TDs. 46 catches, 697 yards = $10 million.
I'm interested in seeing how you view that as a ringing endorsement from the football world rather than an expression of concern about giving him a long-term contract with a huge bonus. I'd also be interested in seeing if you offer anything more than insults in a response.
OK.
You started this thread with that when Moss said he wanted to stay in New England and that money wasn't the most important factor to him that he was lying. You believed he was only saying the right thing and his actions proved you were right. You felt the need broadcast it to the football world.
He has now signed in NE - for less than he could have gotten elsewhere. He's done what he said he would, what you said he was lying about. Your assumptions were wrong.
And now the fact is you can't type the words "I was wrong."
As for the new point you appear to be clinging to - at least get the numbers right. Per the guy who negotiated the contract, it is 15m not 12m guaranteed.
I meant to say "signing bonus" instead of "gurantee" - I was wrong
But the point remains.
With Larry Fitzgerald likely to demand in excess of $27 million guranteed what is it about Moss that sees the market dictate he should get only $12 million in a signing bonus (or $15 million guranteed)?
What is it about Moss that sees his signing bonus only $2 million more than Stallworth?
Length of contract? No - everyone knows the final years of Stallworth's are likely "fake". The only real money is guranteed money and there's something about Moss that gave the Patriots pause.
I'm not really interested in keeping this thread going - but when supposedly smart fans seem to be in denial about certain things, and need to resort to insulting me because they can't address the facts, I'm not inclined to sit there and take it.
I meant to say "signing bonus" instead of "gurantee" - I was wrong
But the point remains.
With Larry Fitzgerald likely to demand in excess of $27 million guranteed what is it about Moss that sees the market dictate he should get only $12 million in a signing bonus (or $15 million guranteed)?
What is it about Moss that sees his signing bonus only $2 million more than Stallworth?
Length of contract? No - everyone knows the final years of Stallworth's are likely "fake". The only real money is guranteed money and there's something about Moss that gave the Patriots pause.
I'm not really interested in keeping this thread going - but when supposedly smart fans seem to be in denial about certain things, and need to resort to insulting me because they can't address the facts, I'm not inclined to sit there and take it.
"eom" clearly has nothing to add - or at least was waiting for someone else to argue the football points so he could say "me too" and get back to his insults.
Man, I never realized that admitting that you were wrong was such a difficult thing to do. Damn. For my part, I'll be the first to admit that I got more worried than I should have when we went into day 3 without a contract. I even started a thread saying that it may be time to start looking elsewhere if he wasn't going to sign the deal. As it turns out, I was wrong, and it didn't even kill me to admit as much.
You should really just stop. Where you started this thread and where you are now isn't remotely the same place. You started by saying Moss' true colors were coming out and he was only looking for dollars. Now that's he's signed a contract for less than he could have gotten elsewhere, you've shifted to saying the Pats "saw something" they didn't like. It's clear you just don't like Moss and want to bash him somehow.
I don't know how much value a comment is in the 11th page of a thread, but I had to give my two cents. As another poster said, just bite the bullet and say you were off on this one. Far better that than to keep tap dancing around frantically. This is your thread, and your premise was wrong. No tragedy.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????... YOU DONT KNOW ONE THING YOU ARE SAYING.... he deserves to get paid like everyone else... the things you are saying is nothing but pure ****!!!!!.... i am so happy Moss is back with the Pats... think before you spew raw sewage out of your pie-hole
Good post and well "thought" out as well. Did you get those statistics off of ESPN?
I've got to say, both you and eom bring a lot to the table... good to have some fresh perspectives here.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????... YOU DONT KNOW ONE THING YOU ARE SAYING.... he deserves to get paid like everyone else... the things you are saying is nothing but pure ****!!!!!.... i am so happy Moss is back with the Pats... think before you spew raw sewage out of your pie-hole
I really wanted to stay out of this...but man you're being a jerk about this.
Joe, Joe, Joe....over 8,000 posts and you come up with this? When are fans like you going to learn to wait until you see the verdict before you make assumptions?
I mean what the hell is this, a guessing game? We don't know what we don't know and you don't know any more than anyone else. So every single little "Randy Moss" post & thread is just a guess or a theory, right? Can someone please, please tell us why people have to come up with theories? It's just so stupid and time wasting.
The bottom line is I don't know, Joesixpack doesn't know and no else on this board knows what's up with signing Randy Moss. Sometimes I get the feeling people want to take a stab in the dark with their theories in hope they look "wicked smart" if their guess is right.
That's really sad
I WAS ABSOLUTELY DEAD-ON RIGHT AND JOE, YOU WERE WRONG....
you bring the abuse on yourself, dumbass.
if you wanted better replies, you should have started a little more intelligent thread.
you know what they say, nancy, if you can't take the heat, shut the **** up.
Moss has $15 mil guaranteed to him, as per most of the reports. So that's five million more than Stallworth. Moss is also getting his 15 mill guaranteed to him over the course of three seasons, while Stallworth is getting his 10 over seven (of which he'll probably see five).
Instead of trying to spin the situation to make you look like you were less wrong than you appear now (which is entirely possible, mind you), why don't you just acknowledge that you were incorrect and think maybe they gave him a three year contract because he will be thirty-four at the end of the deal, not because they have any qualms over him reverting to the "Raider Randy," or the disgruntled Randy of the final season he was there. He hasn't shown anything other than what he has said he was the past season plus, so why would they be afraid of him "reverting" to the "malcontent" he was for two seasons in Oakland?
And with $15 million guaranteed on a three year/$27 million deal, it's almost a lock that he will live to see the end of the deal, otherwise it's a big cap loss if they cut him. If they wanted to have the option to cut him in case of the reversion, they would have done a T.O.-like deal. They didn't.
I think the most logical reason why they kept it to a three year deal is because they don't want it to turn into the Marvin Harrison albatross that is currently hanging 'round the necks of the "brain trust" in Indianapolis.
you bring the abuse on yourself, dumbass.
if you wanted better replies, you should have started a little more intelligent thread.
you know what they say, nancy, if you can't take the heat, shut the **** up.
I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!11 I WAS RIGHT!11 WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE HOW RIGHT I WAS???
Moss has $15 mil guaranteed to him, as per most of the reports. So that's five million more than Stallworth. Moss is also getting his 15 mill guaranteed to him over the course of three seasons, while Stallworth is getting his 10 over seven (of which he'll probably see five).
Instead of trying to spin the situation to make you look like you were less wrong than you appear now (which is entirely possible, mind you), why don't you just acknowledge that you were incorrect and think maybe they gave him a three year contract because he will be thirty-four at the end of the deal, not because they have any qualms over him reverting to the "Raider Randy," or the disgruntled Randy of the final season he was there. He hasn't shown anything other than what he has said he was the past season plus, so why would they be afraid of him "reverting" to the "malcontent" he was for two seasons in Oakland?
And with $15 million guaranteed on a three year/$27 million deal, it's almost a lock that he will live to see the end of the deal, otherwise it's a big cap loss if they cut him. If they wanted to have the option to cut him in case of the reversion, they would have done a T.O.-like deal. They didn't.
I think the most logical reason why they kept it to a three year deal is because they don't want it to turn into the Marvin Harrison albatross that is currently hanging 'round the necks of the "brain trust" in Indianapolis.