I Seriously Do Not Think Moss Will Be Back

[BradyFTW!]

Did this thread have a point? Even if Moss doesn't want to come back (which he does), he'll still be franchised. Why do people think that the Pats will even consider letting him walk? It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[richpats]

Use a more balnced offense. Pass happy teams always get defense slammed at crunch time.

We ran more consistently with Antwain smith than we did with Maroney and we'll have Sammy back too.

Pass happy, Pass happy, Pass happy.

It's the easy way out that does not cut it in the post season.

Abandoning the run has been our poison the last few years in the playoffs. We didn't run in Denver, we didn't run in San Diego (a near-loss), we abandoned the run in the 2nd half in Indy, and didn't bother except for the first possession in the Super Bowl.

With Brady, our passing game will always be a safer bet than the running game. The problem with that is, opponents KNOW we are going to lean on the pass, and don't bother with the run.

I think abandoning the run really hurt us in the Super Bowl because the Giants never had to respect it. All we were trying to do was get it to Moss downfield. If some think that running the ball all game would have been a waste and less effective, then how many points did we get between the first and (second-to) last possessions?

 

[Satchboogie3]

I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that the O-Line couldn't block. It's hard to sustain a ground attack when there are no holes to run through. They tried to run the ball, it didn't work. They tried screens, it didn't work. The O-line had a bad game and the Giants front 4 dominated. It really is as simple as that.

We have the tools to run a balanced offense and we are a balanced offense. Our passing game was so good that we didn't need to run the ball all that much. When our passing game wasn't working well, we ran the ball and tried to get the defense out of sync, and it worked. The only time it didn't was in one game where our O-line fell apart. Unless you think we need to spend $ upgrading our O-line, there really isn't anything else needed on O. Depth at RB would be nice, but we have Morris back next season. The focus is on LB and CB. Moss WILL be back. He is the best player on this team (a tie with Brady).

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

I guess we will know by 4pm today, when one of the domino's fall..

 

[Satchboogie3]

I guess we probably won't know by 4pm today. I'm not so sure they will Franchise him. I think they are already got a nice 3-4 year deal waiting for him.

 

[TripleOption]

Where the frig did the wishbone come into play here ... that's already been discounted for a few decades now.

Watch Georgia Tech next year. They'll be running the Wishbone.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

weird they haven't franchised him yet

yeah...maybe they are trying to get him into a longer term contract and save the Tag for anyone else, but who?

 

[blackglass3]

yeah...maybe they are trying to get him into a longer term contract and save the Tag for anyone else, but who?

Exactly. I can't really think of anyone on the team that might leave worth the franchise tag.

 

[DaBruinz]

The more I think about it the more I do not see Randy Moss coming back. I do not think Asante Samuel leaving will help Moss come back either. What could we do differently next year to make Moss more effective near the end of the season?

Find a better slot receiver than Welker ... No.
Find a better RB than Maroney ... No.
Bring in better pass protecting RB's ... No and Why?

If someone can explain to me how Moss would be more effective near the end of the season then I don't see it. If Randy wants to go over the middle more on 10-15 yard routes than for sure bring him back .. otherwise I would much rather see the money spent to shore up our defense ... a defense that has broken down 2 years in a row at the worst possible time.

We don't need to break records to win the Super Bowl again .. we just need more consistency and more depth for the O-Line and youth for the LB's ... Moss is gone IMO ...Stallworth also ... a more potent 2-headed running attack with Faulk as the #3 IMO will prove to be a better investment.

Slam away ...

I find it funny that people say that the defense broke down when, in reality, the offense didn't do its job with clock management.

In both the AFCCG in 2007 and the SB this year, the Pats needed to take time off the clock. They didn't do so and they gave the ball back to the Colts and Giants respectively with just too much time on the clock.

Now, as for the insinuation that the problem was Randy not running 10-15 yard routes over the middle, why does it have to be RANDY. If you want to put blame, how about on STALLWORTH. He was supposed to be the guy who would benefit most from being in single coverage. Yet, he was more non-existant than Moss was.

Also, the offense got away from what made it great the last few years. Spreading the ball out. They didn't use Watson enough. They didn't use Maroney enough in passing situations where he's shown he can make huge plays. They tried to FORCE the ball to Randy too much.

The Pats offensive game plan in the SB was bad and the O-line got abused. They were also very slow to make adjustments to force the Giants back on their heels and keep them from getting pressure on Brady.

You want to complain about Randy "not running slants and ins" but you seem to forget that its not RANDY calling the plays. Its McDaniels and Brady.

I don't see Moss being gone. In fact, considering the lack of depth of good LBers both in free agency and in the draft, I am not sure what the Pats are going to do. But keeping Moss will have very little influence on the team being able to sign younger LBers.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think Belichick will go back to old time football. He's going to get a good partner for maroney in the draft. He's going to shore up the LB's and secondary. Brady gets rid of the ball as fast as anyone in the game .. we don't need the long ball to win and Brady will not survive another season of being blitzed relentlessly every game ... he's not getting any younger.

I think you are whacked with this.

1) The Pats HAVE 2 good partners for Maroney in Morris and Faulk. Why would they need to draft someone else?

2) We can HOPE he shores up the LBers and secondary. I've been hoping for the LBers to get shored up for the past 4 years.

3) The Pats weren't blitzed relentlessly. But, speaking of blitzing relentlessly, whose job is it to keep Brady upright? OH yeah. THE O-LINE. If Brady is getting sacked, then they aren't doing their job. And they are the ones that need to be upgraded. Neal needs to be replaced. Kaczur could be upgraded from as well.

4) Randy does more than just go for the deep ball. He's a good, all around receiver. The problem, is partially, the play calling. And that falls to BRady and McDaniels. McDaniels with the base sets he calls in and Brady with the calls in the huddle and the adjustments at the line.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

...

We were in the AFC Championship with a rag-tag group of WRs.
We had a stacked group of WRs and scored 14 pts in the Super Bowl.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the BB/SP player personnel meetings.

Well said. Exactly my thoughts.

Since none of us have any inkling about the actual happenings between the FO/players and what BB really wants, I gave up long time ago on trying to speculate the probable reasonings behind our actions. Same applies to the draft too.

Found it easier to sit back and see what the Pats do and then react whether the move appears good or if it defies logic. My 2 cents.

 

[satz]

2006 CADWELL THREAD = THIS ONE LOL :singing:

 

[Sivy]

Unless we are moving south or building a dome I don't see the winter going away. Not having the playoff advantage is not an option so basically we get a great player for most of the season and hopefully the super Bowl if we make it ... there are better ways to spend 6-8 million. We won 3 SB's without Moss ... last I checked anyways.

i wondered, but now i know..you are nuts. Moss is the difference between 12-4, or 14-2 and 16-0, and with that might be home feild advantage. IF moss goes, we're probably playing indy in indy in next years afccg.

 

[DaedalusX]

I'm sorry, but this thread is moronic. Moss is going nowhere.

Brady said it's a package deal; if Moss leaves, he leaves. I don't think he was kidding.

Belichick has said Randy is the smartest WR he has ever had the privilege of coaching.

Moss has said that Belichick and Brady are the best to ever coach and quarterback the game, respectively.

Kraft says he brought Moss into the organization after a one-on-one meeting where they discussed their respective values, what Moss wanted at this point in his career (to win; he has more than enough money) and what the Patriots expected of him.

Moss still says he can't believe he's a Patriot and couldn't imagine a better situation to be in.

Moss isn't going anywhere and it's inane to even discuss it as a possibility.

 

[BradyManny]

If someone can explain to me how Moss would be more effective near the end of the season then I don't see it. If Randy wants to go over the middle more on 10-15 yard routes than for sure bring him back .. otherwise I would much rather see the money spent to shore up our defense ... a defense that has broken down 2 years in a row at the worst possible time.

I think the coaching staff became too enamored with Moss the Decoy as opposed to Moss the Weapon. This is just my guess, but for the first few quarters of the NYG game, it seemed like Moss was running deep routes that they didn't have time for, with the intention of taking two defenders with him. Obviously, it's tough to see what routes guys are running on the TV, but it looked like that in the 4th quarter, they ceased running Moss on long vertical routes and had him run curls and slants. Moss WILL go over the middle - maybe not his favorite thing, but he does it, did it in the Indy game in Week 9 and that was the key to victory - he will run those little ins and outs, and if he runs these routes, it's almost a guaranteed completion for 8-12 yards.

No surprise, the offense started clicking.

Sorry, but there's no reason not to have one of the few best receivers in the history of the game on your team. I think the team failed to use him properly down the stretch, and that's on everyone, the coaching staff, Tom, Moss himself. But to not re-sign him b/c production declined over the last few games, that doesn't make sense to me.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

There is a common rule in football that it takes 3 years for a passing offense to peak. What the pats accomplished in one year is unprecedented.

However, it shouldn't suprise anyone that we hit an adjustment period and evaluate for next year.

I for one, believe Moss should be used on some of the shorter hitch routes. We also opened up downfield when he did come over the middle. If Stallworth ( Jackson next year?) was to stay, I would balance the two on deep routes. The Dallas and Indy games were on won on routes Stallworth ran downfield.

I also have no problems with 1 or 2 reverses a game.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

I said that posts ago. Moss is the reason why Welker became a pro bowler and Brady had the best QB season ever.

This is wrong...

Back to the OP.

It is an interesting question.

Is he too old to sign a huge extention?

Will he just slack off again?

Is he really worth it?

I dunno.

I totally get what you're trying to say.

The oline is WAY overrated...

The defense is WAY too old...

The defense has WAY too many holes...

He was a good experiment, but, in the playoffs... he def. was invisible.

The regular season he was covered very well, and he still came out with the record. The playoffs was another story.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was let go.

 

[Xzibit23]

I think the coaching staff became too enamored with Moss the Decoy as opposed to Moss the Weapon. This is just my guess, but for the first few quarters of the NYG game, it seemed like Moss was running deep routes that they didn't have time for, with the intention of taking two defenders with him. Obviously, it's tough to see what routes guys are running on the TV, but it looked like that in the 4th quarter, they ceased running Moss on long vertical routes and had him run curls and slants. Moss WILL go over the middle - maybe not his favorite thing, but he does it, did it in the Indy game in Week 9 and that was the key to victory - he will run those little ins and outs, and if he runs these routes, it's almost a guaranteed completion for 8-12 yards.

No surprise, the offense started clicking.

Sorry, but there's no reason not to have one of the few best receivers in the history of the game on your team. I think the team failed to use him properly down the stretch, and that's on everyone, the coaching staff, Tom, Moss himself. But to not re-sign him b/c production declined over the last few games, that doesn't make sense to me.

Completely agree with this...because Moss being a decoy worked in the previous 2 playoff games they got comfortable with him in that role, and failed to adjust and use him properly when they needed Moss the gamebreaker and not Moss the decoy. Chris Collinsworth basically said the same thing on Inside the NFL, he said Moss was misused and only in the 4th quarter when they used him properly on shorter slants did we suddenly see the Patriots move the ball down the field.

 

[Xzibit23]

This is wrong...

Back to the OP.

No its not...Moss is the biggest reason why Welker had a Probowl worthy seasons and Brady had a historic season.

 

[BradyManny]

This is wrong...

Back to the OP.

It is an interesting question.

Is he too old to sign a huge extention?

Will he just slack off again?

Is he really worth it?

I dunno.

I totally get what you're trying to say.

The oline is WAY overrated...

The defense is WAY too old...

The defense has WAY too many holes...

He was a good experiment, but, in the playoffs... he def. was invisible.

The regular season he was covered very well, and he still came out with the record. The playoffs was another story.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was let go.

You'd think that we weren't Asante Samuel jumping 1 inch higher away from going 19-0 :bricks: