Pereira: Time was messed up on Giants last drive, would have added 8 seconds to game

[ALP]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10621480

i dont know how much it matters....i have accepted the loss, as heart wrenching as it was...

but i believe if they had gotten teh time right, the pats would have won, b/c te giants would not have gotten their last TD....but those are just if's

either way, lady luck nor anything else was on our side sunday night....but the Pats are not done yet

undefeated next year fellas

 

[Tommysgirl]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10621480

i dont know how much it matters....i have accepted the loss, as heart wrenching as it was...

but i believe if they had gotten teh time right, the pats would have won, b/c te giants would not have gotten their last TD....but those are just if's

either way, lady luck nor anything else was on our side sunday night....but the Pats are not done yet

undefeated next year fellas

I chose to ignore the fact that I was screaming that at the TV as it was happening. Thanks for bringing the hell back to me. I promised no excuses.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

Yup, I saw this as it was happening. But I'm surprised that Pereira is saying 8 seconds. It didn't even seem like that to me. The refs clearly caught it pretty quickly and wound the play clock to deal with it. No big deal.

Which reminds me of something that nobody talks about. In Super Bowl 39, right after the 2:00 warning, the Eagles were down by 10. They ran a play that was ruled an incompletion on the field. But it wasn't. McNabb threw the ball, it was tipped, and he caught it on the ground as he was being touched. Take a look if you have it on tape.

Belichick goes balistic, because the clock should have been running -- it was a completed pass for a loss. Ed Hochuli -- the alternative ref -- is on the sideline and Belichick lets him have it.

Next play (I think) is the touchdown. It probably made a 30 second difference or so.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

I think there were TWO times it happened... and the two times they measured for first downs..a way to have a team GET an extra time out...NOT sure it would matter..but nontheless...something to be looked at..and it does not matter in the larger picture..

 

[ALP]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

Yup, I saw this as it was happening. But I'm surprised that Pereira is saying 8 seconds. It didn't even seem like that to me. The refs clearly caught it pretty quickly and wound the play clock to deal with it. No big deal.

Which reminds me of something that nobody talks about. In Super Bowl 39, right after the 2:00 warning, the Eagles were down by 10. They ran a play that was ruled an incompletion on the field. But it wasn't. McNabb threw the ball, it was tipped, and he caught it on the ground as he was being touched. Take a look if you have it on tape.

Belichick goes balistic, because the clock should have been running -- it was a completed pass for a loss. Ed Hochuli -- the alternative ref -- is on the sideline and Belichick lets him have it.

Next play (I think) is the touchdown. It probably made a 30 second difference or so.

umm, well, in the article the opiinion is that it was at about 20 secs through the logic...

 

[JoePats]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

Are you sure Hochuli was the alternate ref? Walt Coleman was standing behind Coughlin the whole game.

 

[ALP]

Re: Pereira: Time was messed up on Giants last drive, would have added 8 seconds to g

You the heck changed my thread title?

this is straight from the article...

"That would suggest that as many as 18 more seconds should have been run off the clock"

so im fixing my own title thank you

 

[pats1]

Re: Pereira: Time was messed up on Giants last drive, would have added 8 seconds to g

You the heck changed my thread title?

this is straight from the article...

"That would suggest that as many as 18 more seconds should have been run off the clock"

so im fixing my own title thank you

"Pereira estimated the error might have added eight seconds to the game -- not enough to keep the Giants from scoring but enough to make New England grumble."

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

umm, well, in the article the opiinion is that it was at about 20 secs through the logic...

No. The article doesn't understand the issue.

Here's what happened -- Play ends with about 8:24 on the clock and it is wrongfully stopped. Caughlin notices it, and gets the officials to start it again. In the meantime, the 25-second play clock is running down.

So, what Carey does to make up for the lost time is that he restarts the 25 second clock. But the Giants run the play well before the 25 second clock expires -- they ran it with 8:02 left.

If the play had been called correcty, the play would have ended at 8:24, and the 40-second clock should have started. This means Feagles could have waited until about 7:44 to kick before the play clock expired.

The assumption in this article is that the Giants would have done that -- waited until there was 1 second left on the play clock -- before kicking. Accordingly, they calculate that it was an 18 second error.

But that's completely wrong. Carey reset the 25 second clock, and by doing so, he almost exactly fixed the problem. Feagles did NOT wait until one second left on the play clock. He actually kicked with about 11 seconds left. So, the assumption that the Giants would have let all the time expire is just false. Feagles could have kicked at about 7:51, which would have been a 7 second error.

I watched the whole thing unfold live in the stadium. I couldn't understand why Caughlin was so adamant about getting the clock restarted but then the Giants kicked with plenty of time left on the play clock.

 

[eom]

Re: Pereira: Time was messed up on Giants last drive, would have added 8 seconds to g

game is over.

pats lost.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

Are you sure Hochuli was the alternate ref? Walt Coleman was standing behind Coughlin the whole game.

I was talking about SB 39.

 

[ALP]

Re: Time was messed up on Giants last drive

No. The article doesn't understand the issue.



So, what Carey does to make up for the lost time is that he restarts the 25 second clock. But the Giants run the play well before the 25 second clock expires -- they ran it with 8:02 left.

If the play had been called correcty, the play would have ended at 8:24, and the 40-second clock should have started. This means Feagles could have waited until about 7:44 to kick before the play clock expired.

The assumption in this article is that the Giants would have done that -- waited until there was 1 second left on the play clock -- before kicking. Accordingly, they calculate that it was an 18 second error.

But that's completely wrong. Carey reset the 25 second clock, and by doing so, he almost exactly fixed the problem. Feagles did NOT wait until one second left on the play clock. He actually kicked with about 11 seconds left. So, the assumption that the Giants would have let all the time expire is just false. Feagles could have kicked at about 7:51, which would have been a 7 second error.

I watched the whole thing unfold live in the stadium. I couldn't understand why Caughlin was so adamant about getting the clock restarted but then the Giants kicked with plenty of time left on the play clock.

ahh, i see...thank you for the explanation...

i guess i havnt quite let it go all that much yet ; )

 

[Marko]

Re: Pereira: Time was messed up on Giants last drive, would have added 8 seconds to g

Wow, who was the clock operator? Because @1:28 the Giants ran a play and no time went off the clock, then they ran about ten seconds off and then put 5 back so they were guessing quite a bit. Also when Robbins went down they didn't charge the Giants with a T.O. which i guess is ok but they didn't start the clock again after the ball was set and he was off the field effectively giving the Giants another Timeout. It's funny to read the giants' fans replies where they say it's great that the "cheaters" got "cheated" what duplicitous idiots. Also no one has ever mentioned that BB was a giants coach, he must have learned these so called "Dirty tricks" somewhere why not as the Giant's coach? Maybe the 2 Giants SB's should have *! I guess they don't really want to know everything, just anything that can hurt the Pats. What a--holes, I really hate all NY teams, they are classless jackoffs and want to paint everyone with a brush that best describes them.

 

[Hamtown]

Re: Pereira: Time was messed up on Giants last drive, would have added 8 seconds to g

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10621480

i dont know how much it matters....i have accepted the loss, as heart wrenching as it was...

but i believe if they had gotten teh time right, the pats would have won, b/c te giants would not have gotten their last TD....but those are just if's

either way, lady luck nor anything else was on our side sunday night....but the Pats are not done yet

undefeated next year fellas

ALP, I like the way you think my brutha! GO PATS! 19-0 in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 etc etc etc etc!!!! GO PATS GO PATS GOPATS!

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

NFL: Mike Pereira there was an error with the clock

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10621480

I can't wait to hear the conspiracy theories.....

Actually I would rather not. It was a mistake and it probably didn't effect the outcome of the game. And on a whole it was the best officiated game I have seen in a long time.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Re: NFL: Mike Pereira there was an error with the clock

Since it was on the second to last drive, didn't really affect the game. The Patriots held the ball last (not counting the kneel down, but I'd already turned it off, haha) after all.

The clock thing that bothered me more was the fact that the officials stopped the clock twice for measurements on the Giants final drive, when both times the spot was clear. (The first time it was short on the Toomer catch, and it was good on the Jacobs 4th-and-1). I realize those are key plays, but NFL refs need to be able to make those calls with the clock running without the aid of the chains.

Oh well, it really didn't make much difference in the end, but it bothered me at the time.

 

[upstater1]

Re: NFL: Mike Pereira there was an error with the clock

You can't say it doesn't make a difference since the Pats got the ball last.

If the Patriots had scored on that last drive, you can bet you'd be hearing about this from EVERYBODY.

I can also guarantee you that every play from that point on would have been different, so you can't say the Giants wouldn't have scored earlier or later.

I do know that the Giants would have called a different play if there were 20 seconds on the clock as opposed to 40 on their last offensive play.

All in all, it's a wash.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: NFL: Mike Pereira there was an error with the clock

It could have made a difference if the Pats did a better job moving the ball down the field on that last drive. Maybe they would have with some smarter play calling than hucking the ball down the field, but I guess we will never know.

I bet that all those people who complain that the Pats "get all the breaks" or the league "are paid off by the Pats" will think this is no big deal. It just goes to prove that the refs do make mistakes that don't favor the Pats that could have changed a loss to a victory for the Pats.

I still don't think the Pats win with the extra 8 seconds, but it is as valid of an argument that it did as some of the calls or mistakes by refs that Pats haters complain about that "gave the Pats the game".

 

[Rob0729]

Re: NFL: Mike Pereira there was an error with the clock

I love the Mike Pereira interviews on NFL radio. The guy really tells it like it is and isn't afraid to admit mistakes were made. Even though they made a mistake here, the only thing it really means is that the Pats should have had less time for those hail mary attempts. Oh - and maybe people wouldn't be busting Belichick's balls for leaving early.

Pereira on NFL Network will go to great lengths to not admit his refs screwed up though. I still laugh when I think about his BS explaination how Ellis Hobbs' PI call in Indy this year was a valid call.

 

[upstater1]

Re: NFL: Mike Pereira there was an error with the clock

It could have made a difference if the Pats did a better job moving the ball down the field on that last drive. Maybe they would have with some smarter play calling than hucking the ball down the field, but I guess we will never know.

I bet that all those people who complain that the Pats "get all the breaks" or the league "are paid off by the Pats" will think this is no big deal. It just goes to prove that the refs do make mistakes that don't favor the Pats that could have changed a loss to a victory for the Pats.

I still don't think the Pats win with the extra 8 seconds, but it is as valid of an argument that it did as some of the calls or mistakes by refs that Pats haters complain about that "gave the Pats the game".

C orrect me if I'm wrong, but we're talking about 18 seconds that should have been run off the clock, not an extra 8 seconds.

Trust me, if the Patriots had scored, this would have been a huge huge huge CONSPIRACY.