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Pregame Discussion ahead of the LIVE game day discussion thread. The actual Game Thread will Open an hour ahead of kickoff.
I can handle a loss where they go back and forth and come up short. Signs the OL has improved and Maye showing improvements on areas of weaknesses would be huge pluses.

If it's a repeat of the Super Bowl, than it's time to worry.
 
If the result is just based on the more talented roster, Pats have no chance
 
If the result is just based on the more talented roster, Pats have no chance
You are impossible.
Let's compare who is better:

QB: Pats
WRs: Pats
Oline: Seattle
RB: Pats
TE: wash
Dline: Seattle
LBs: Seattle
Secondary: Pats

Leaving STs out of it, you could easily argue Pats are better 4 of the 7 main positional groups.

Keep on doing your thing Sam.
 
Barmore has $20M reasons in 2027 to find a magical cure for what ever is ailing his knee.
 


I am not concerned about the injury report right now. The Pats have been preparing for the Seahawks for weeks. They could be resting Barmore and Henderson for injuries that they would have practiced in a normal week. Brown is most likely out this week though.
 
When I first looked at this game and wrote it off as a loss taking solace that if we can keep it at a one score game, it would bode well for the rest of the season. But in the run up to the game itself, I've become more hopeful. I look at all the key areas where we improved (OL, WR, DB's, and FB) and it looks, at least one the surface, the Seahawks might have lost a half a step, especially with the loss of their star S for this game and having to start a rookie at RB

Still Seattle is a REALLY tough place to play under any circumstances, and I also worry about the fact 90% of the starter haven't taken a SINGLE snap under game conditions. Hardly and of the defensive starter have tackled live opponent. None of the RB's have been tackled to the ground, nor have any of the starting receivers faced a live hit from a DB/LB. I don't know the Seahawks ran their camp, but it's likely similar to ours. I really don't how they can start the season so "uncalloused". My HS kids hit more in a simple regular practice than some of these pros do in a week. (Pardon the hyperbole as slight as it is)
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At any rate, I'm not sure how the Seahawks ran their TC, but I'm guessing it had to be tougher than the summer camp that Mike ran this summer, though I doubt it was much tougher, so we can expect a sloppy game with a lot of missed Tackles on both sides and more than a few TO's, On the plus side, it will be a great test for our new OL though with that stadium noise, it will be a tough environment to play in for a group that haven't seen a lot of live snaps together this off season. Whatever they look like on Wednesday, it should be a lot better as we get into October. So if we look solid this early, it will bode well for the OL going forward.

I wouldn't expect to see a complex game plan this week. In a tough environment OC's often simplify the gameplan. The more complex, the greater the chance for miscommunications and mistakes. Execution takes priority over out Xing and Oing your opponent. I'm feeling better about our chances, though I recognize the issues they face. But I will say this, whatever happens after this game it does NOT represent who or what this team will eventually become. Remember we lost our first game last season to a team that picked first in this year's draft, while WE went to the superbowl. Go figure.
 
When I first looked at this game and wrote it off as a loss taking solace that if we can keep it at a one score game, it would bode well for the rest of the season. But in the run up to the game itself, I've become more hopeful. I look at all the key areas where we improved (OL, WR, DB's, and FB) and it looks, at least one the surface, the Seahawks might have lost a half a step, especially with the loss of their star S for this game and having to start a rookie at RB

Still Seattle is a REALLY tough place to play under any circumstances, and I also worry about the fact 90% of the starter haven't taken a SINGLE snap under game conditions. Hardly and of the defensive starter have tackled live opponent. None of the RB's have been tackled to the ground, nor have any of the starting receivers faced a live hit from a DB/LB. I don't know the Seahawks ran their camp, but it's likely similar to ours. I really don't how they can start the season so "uncalloused". My HS kids hit more in a simple regular practice than some of these pros do in a week. (Pardon the hyperbole as slight as it is)
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At any rate, I'm not sure how the Seahawks ran their TC, but I'm guessing it had to be tougher than the summer camp that Mike ran this summer, though I doubt it was much tougher, so we can expect a sloppy game with a lot of missed Tackles on both sides and more than a few TO's, On the plus side, it will be a great test for our new OL though with that stadium noise, it will be a tough environment to play in for a group that haven't seen a lot of live snaps together this off season. Whatever they look like on Wednesday, it should be a lot better as we get into October. So if we look solid this early, it will bode well for the OL going forward.

I wouldn't expect to see a complex game plan this week. In a tough environment OC's often simplify the gameplan. The more complex, the greater the chance for miscommunications and mistakes. Execution takes priority over out Xing and Oing your opponent. I'm feeling better about our chances, though I recognize the issues they face. But I will say this, whatever happens after this game it does NOT represent who or what this team will eventually become. Remember we lost our first game last season to a team that picked first in this year's draft, while WE went to the superbowl. Go figure.
I am usually very objective when it comes to picking the Pats.
The post Brady years when winning was an actual question mark, I did incredibly well picking their games.
Like 80-90% success rate. That's easy to do when a team is winning 12-14 games every year, much harder when they are a 3-10 win team.
That all said, I have a suspicion we are winning this game by 2 scores.
Not only is Emmanwori potentially not playing, they lost their other starting safety (Bryant) in FA. Could be starting 2 new safeties Wednesday. Bud Clarke was a likely starter before a season ending injury.
The lost their best RB and are starting a rookie with zero NFL experience. Also lost Mafe who had 5 pressures in the SB.
They haven't really added anyone of note to effectively replace those guys (Price excluded, but again, completely green).
One big question mark today is the availability of Henderson, Barmore and Gonzalez. For now I will assume all will play.
If you compare rosters, who has the better units?
QB: Pats
RBs: Pats
WRs: Pats (JSN is a stud, but top to bottom we have the better unit).
Oline: Seattle
TEs: This is a wash to me, others may see it differently.
Dline: Seattle (we have a good interior, Edge is a very big question mark)
LBs: Seattle
Secondary: Pats
Just my view, others may see it differently.
The number one key to this game is our Oline. If we can protect Maye and be even decent in the run game, I have a hard time seeing how Seattle can beat us.
Homefield, crowd noise, dropping the banner, those all are intangibles that could impact the outcome.
I also think Mcdonald is a really good coach. I saw a few interviews with him this offseason, and he is a bright guy, and you can tell he is locked in and his team will be prepared. They do however have a new O coordinator.
Oline on O, and setting the edge and limiting the outside run game on D. That's the game right there. We do both of these reasonably well and we're walking out 1-0.
 
He had the one return in the preseason where I saw more wiggle, opposed to last year just running north south, again perhaps tentative to try and make a play.
Chism's 40 time is awful. The dude is quick but slow. On punts wiggle (quickness) is important, on kick offs north-south speed is important. Chism on punts is OK. Chism on kick offs is awful.
 
Barmore has $20M reasons in 2027 to find a magical cure for what ever is ailing his knee.



Looks like he will not be healthy for Seattle. With the uncertainties at edge and Reiss' comment that the Patriots have been "managing" this injury "throughout training camp", I am concerned that it could be longer. At least we have some depth at tackle, but hopefully he discovers a quick cure.
 
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Yup, and Tonga is gone. Hard to get a strong push as a DT on a weak knee/ankle.

But given what happened it would seem that the coaching staff deemed that Durden was better. He played well in that rotation and is currently 27 years old vs Tonga's 31. Last season the Pats had a great 4 man DT rotation with Tonga, Durden, Baremore and Milt. This year it seems like it will be, Milt, Baremore, Durden, and Farmer. Farmer is the question mark here, but we brought back 3 of the 4 man rotation that played so well. But I would opine that Farmer offers much less of a question mark that BOTH Durden and Tonga did before the start of the season. We ended up with a great DT rotation in 2025. We start the season with 3 guys we can count on. We didn't have that last year
 
Our biggest chance to win will be the reduced SEA run game - they have neither Walker or Charbonnet.
Im fairly certain that Charbonnet is out. The rookie RB is rumored to see time.
Sure, the rookie Price could be great out of the gate, but that's unusual. Seahawks won the SB because of TOP due to consistent run game. (Yes, and a swarming DL that our OL couldn't touch).
Yes and no. Seattle set a SB record for most rush yards in a half - 97 yds. The first half where the score was SEA 9 - 0 NE at halftime.

The NE OL and offense were the real story on why the Pats lost. 3 NE turnovers all led to SEA points - 17.

8 NE drives resulted in 8 punts. Of those, 5 NE drives were 3 plays and out, 1 first quarter NE drive was the longest of the entire game 8 plays @ 4: 47, 1 NE drive was 6 plays @ 2: 08 and 1 NE drive was 4 plays @ 2:38. Needless to say that the NE defense was constantly back on the field after holding Seattle to FGs.
If we can contain their run game, and limit JSN - we have a good shot.
On O - Maye just can't make rusty mistakes. I'm extremely concerned about him not being ready for game speed and throwing late for picks, or fumbling again trying to buy time too much.
NE needs to run the ball and not give up like in the SB where Rahm and Henderson got 13 carries combined all game. The defensive principles that BB used to win multiple championships has not changed. Render the opposing offense 1 dimensional by stopping the run. Once the opponents offense is forced into passing mode, opportunities for turnovers, sacks abound.
 
Chism's 40 time is awful. The dude is quick but slow. On punts wiggle (quickness) is important, on kick offs north-south speed is important. Chism on punts is OK. Chism on kick offs is awful.
Speed is definitely important.
But with the new kickoff rules guys are on you so quickly, so many bodies around the play immediately.
A move or two in space can be the difference between a pedestrian 23 yard avg, and a prowl level 28 yard avg.
He will never be a burner, but he could be a much better returner than he was last year.
I admit he was bad, but I do think he could be better.
However I'm not advocating for him to be the guy, just think IF he needed to be, he can improve.
 

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