Complaining about refs is getting old

[bpeter17]

I'm still getting over the fact that someone actually tried to compare the deniability of the colts getting all the calls to the deniability of the holocaust.

Ninety percent of it is bellyaching about the refs, whining about a particular reporter because he or she didn't say exactly the right thing about the team, trying to find other rules violations by other teams, or imagining up horrible "bulletin board" material by opponents or their fans.

It gets so old, but it's clearly what the vast majority of the board wants and it is a community after all, so the rest of us just have to draw what we can from the other 10 percent and tolerate it.

amen.

 

[Deus Irae]

No selective vision there. Also no Snow Bowl and no 2003 AFCCG references.

What is this, O'Reilley's No Spin Zone?







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I already discussed them. Now, go back to pretending you're a Patriots fan.

 

[Pujo]

I already discussed them. Now, go back to pretending you're a Patriots fan.

Apparantly if you don't think the whole game of football is fixed, you're not a true fan.

 

[Deus Irae]

Apparantly if you don't think the whole game of football is fixed, you're not a true fan.

Apparently you can't read. Earlier in this very thread, I listed multiple possible explanations for the bad calls:

Something is amiss. The question is whether it's home field advantage, the law of averages, a subconscious issue with officials or something else.

 

[Pujo]

Apparently you can't read. Earlier in this very thread, I listed multiple possible explanations for the bad calls:

That's all fine and dandy, I agree there are quite a few bad calls in the NFL.

Where you and I disagree is your claim of one team (the Colts) getting more blown calls in their favor than the average. I know it feels like that to you and some people on TV who's goal is ratings, but it hasn't been established to any objective standard of proof.

 

[Dr Pain]

I'm sure the calls never go against the Colts.

Come on, Pain, let's do the big conspiracy theory on the NFL officials and Bill Polian. That leads to nothing but "did you see such and such a game?" and other annecdotal argument that goes nowhere forever. It's a highway to nowhere forever.

Ask Ellis Hobbs who received a letter of apology from the NFL for a call so bad they had to do this. That play gave the Colts 7 points and the game. Think about it, the Colts won by points given to them by the Refs and the NFL stated it was a bad call.

Ask the Steelers fans who saw the refs try to give the AFC championship game to the Colts. Ask how much of an investigation the NFL did to the Colts noise complaints. Ask about the investigation into collusion between the Colts and Titans this year.

 

[apricissimus]

I thought that this thread was about calls that were wrong

I hate to jump into the old tuck rule discussion but...

Yes, it was the correct call. But it was awfully close! Would anyone have been honestly shocked if it was ruled a fumble, even given the rules in place in 2001? And that's the reason people think the Pats got the benefit of a favorable call in the Snow Bowl. It's something that could have reasonably gone either way.

 

[Pujo]

Ask Ellis Hobbs who received a letter of apology from the NFL for a call so bad they had to do this. That play gave the Colts 7 points and the game. Think about it, the Colts won by points given to them by the Refs and the NFL stated it was a bad call.

It was totally a bad call, but it doesn't show anything about intent. Actually, the faceguard call was so bad that it's unlikely someone would have done it intentionally. Why be so obvious?

Ask the Steelers fans who saw the refs try to give the AFC championship game to the Colts.

Language is such a loaded thing, and "try" is such a loaded word. Bad calls don't show an intent or lack of, mistakes happen.

Ask how much of an investigation the NFL did to the Colts noise complaints.

CBS confirmed it was their audio issue. How do you know how good the NFL investigation was? Just because it didn't produce a guilty verdict?

Ask about the investigation into collusion between the Colts and Titans this year.

That one's still recent, something could come out of it. And if not, I'm sure the NFL chooses to handle certain matters with a private warning to the offending parties.

Again, you're just taking a limited selection of bad breaks and pretending that they somehow show corrupt intent.

Maybe if there were some objective statistics on bad calls, graded by an independant observer, for ALL games in a season, then we'd know if the Colts get the advantage more often, but nobody here watches every NFL game, and especially without emotion involved, so our "factual" conclusions on the matter are, pardon my French, crap.

 

[Keegs]

the refs are cheaters.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's all fine and dandy, I agree there are quite a few bad calls in the NFL.

Where you and I disagree is your claim of one team (the Colts) getting more blown calls in their favor than the average. I know it feels like that to you and some people on TV who's goal is ratings, but it hasn't been established to any objective standard of proof.

Ok, since you are making claims about my failure to find objective verification and my 'vision', let's see you back them up. Find, in the past 4 years, the major blown calls in big games that have gone against the Colts. I already know the answer, but you would insist I was wrong. So......


List them all for us, beginning with 2004, please. Since we're talking about big games, not 'average', it should be a quick and easy procedure for you.

 

[Pujo]

Ok, since you are making claims about my failure to find objective verification and my 'vision', let's see you back them up. Find, in the past 4 years, the major blown calls in big games that have gone against the Colts. I already know the answer, but you would insist I was wrong. So......


List them all for us, beginning with 2004, please. Since we're talking about big games, not 'average', it should be a quick and easy procedure for you.

I can't say I've watched any Colts games that didn't involve the Pats, except their Super Bowl last year. But it still wouldn't prove a thing except that they were luckier in a few games. Big games involving the Colts? You're limiting it to a statistically insignificant sample size.

Unless someone wants to do the homework on all games for all teams, for at least a season but preferably more, to get a reasonable average number of blown calls, this is all just pointless back-and-forth, no one has enough information to prove or disprove anything.

 

[Deus Irae]

I can't say I've watched any Colts games that didn't involve the Pats, except their Super Bowl last year. But it still wouldn't prove a thing except that they were luckier in a few games. Big games involving the Colts? You're limiting it to a statistically insignificant sample size.

Unless someone wants to do the homework on all games for all teams, for at least a season but preferably more, to get a reasonable average number of blown calls, this is all just pointless back-and-forth, no one has enough information to prove or disprove anything.

No, there's plenty of evidence to prove that the Colts have been a beneficiary of horrible calls in big games in recent years, and that the Patriots have been the victim of horrible calls in big games. What's left to question is not that it happened, but the 'why?' aspect of it. There's no need to wait for 1000 'big' games to be played before asking about the disparity.

 

[FrontSeven]

No, there's plenty of evidence to prove that the Colts have been a beneficiary of horrible calls in big games in recent years, and that the Patriots have been the victim of horrible calls in big games. .

That is true. It's inverse is also true. Do you know how many fans complained about the correct call for the Tuck Rule? The officials could have easily gotten it wrong and nobody would have known.

I am not happy with the calls in the Denver game, but honestly, I did not, and will not cry collusion or fix. Once you go down that road you are in deep squantum as far as finishing your argument.

If the NFL is fixed then let's all stop watching. That's my opinion. Otherwise, let's not try to create fixing where there isn't any.

 

[kriskanos]

Congrats on being one of our most prolific trolls.

 

[aluminum seats]

Agreed that whining about officiating is tedious. Almost all teams can point to a game or 2--the Pats in Denver a couple years back is theirs. Seattle did get screwed in the SB. But generally it balances out. It's like complaining about announcing--who cares?

 

[Urgent]

My whining isn't focused on fairness or fixes, but just competence.

I don't think many of the NFL refs are very good.

Now, they are better than baseball, where the umps have the right to define their own strike zone each game - maybe it's high and wide, maybe it's down to the knees, who knows.

But there have been lots of important wrong calls this season.

I think this season, the Patriots have been the beneficiaries of wrong calls more often than the victims, although there was one game where the officials blew a lot against the Patriots.

Maybe the NFL needs real athletes in black and white. Guys who can take the speed of the game, mix with the size of the players, stay out of the way, and make accurate calls in a split second. Guys who are not accountants ande insurance executives.

 

[Pujo]

Maybe the NFL needs real athletes in black and white. Guys who can take the speed of the game, mix with the size of the players, stay out of the way, and make accurate calls in a split second. Guys who are not accountants ande insurance executives.

You mean guys who took lots of shots to the head? NFL rules are WAY too complex to have Mercury Morris out there running things.