A very simple Bottom Line on Our OL

[mgteich]

This may be a waste of a thread. It shouldn't be very long.

Barring health issues or retirement, we have a very good seven-man line, certainly good enough for a playoff team.
Campbell, AVT, Wilson, Onwenu, Moses
Lomu, Brown

We can certainly argue about the players beyond the first seven. What a truly GREAT position to be in after only a year and two offseasons!

 

[mayoclinic]

Between Crownover, Bryant and Hudson we should have an adequate #4 OT.

Solid #5 IOL who can also be #3 OC is only real weakness, IMO

 

[patfanken]

This is tangent to the OL questions. It will be very interesting to see how we arrange the offensive roster. 5 or 6 WR's? 9 or 10 WRs? How many RB's on the roster now that we have brought back the FB as a major position. If we are going with a FB this season, how do we handle the backup position for him. Is he on the roster or is, let's say Lampke, always on the PS, or on the actual roster making us keep 5 or 6 RB's

As you can see there are going to be hard choices for how many people we are going to have to have at each position. I think the OL depth is still so iffy we will should carry 10 but I wonder if we can. Can we really be safe carrying just 3 RB's and 2 FB's, but can we afford to carry 6 RB's. Did we really waste a draft pick by picking a QB in a year when we likely will only carry 2 QBs on the rosters. How many TE's. Sounds like 4 minimum

So, 10 OL, 4 TE's, 6 WR's, 6 RB's 2 QB's That's 28 offensive players IF we are being prudent with our offensive depth and manage to keep our #3 QB on the PS That's leaves us with only 22defensive players if we keep the bare minimum of 3 ST's guys. Clearly that isn't going to work. So we are going to need to drop at LEAST 3 offensive roster spots.

Who is on your list?????

 

[mgteich]

This is tangent to the OL questions. It will be very interesting to see how we arrange the offensive roster. 5 or 6 WR's? 9 or 10 WRs? How many RB's on the roster now that we have brought back the FB as a major position. If we are going with a FB this season, how do we handle the backup position for him. Is he on the roster or is, let's say Lampke, always on the PS, or on the actual roster making us keep 5 or 6 RB's

As you can see there are going to be hard choices for how many people we are going to have to have at each position. I think the OL depth is still so iffy we will should carry 10 but I wonder if we can. Can we really be safe carrying just 3 RB's and 2 FB's, but can we afford to carry 6 RB's. Did we really waste a draft pick by picking a QB in a year when we likely will only carry 2 QBs on the rosters. How many TE's. Sounds like 4 minimum

So, 10 OL, 4 TE's, 6 WR's, 6 RB's 2 QB's That's 28 offensive players IF we are being prudent with our offensive depth and manage to keep our #3 QB on the PS That's leaves us with only 22defensive players if we keep the bare minimum of 3 ST's guys. Clearly that isn't going to work. So we are going to need to drop at LEAST 3 offensive roster spots.

Who is on your list?????

Let's start with RB/FB (4) where I don't there should be too much debate.

FULLBACK (1)
Most teams don't carry one FB. I don't think that we'll carry 2. We should have a backup on the Practice Squad, likely Lampe.

RUNNING BACK (3)
Three has always seem right for me, unless we had a ST #4.
We have Stevenson and Henderson who will ger almost all the reps barring injury.
The backup RB will hopefully also be a kick returner. In any case, we have a lot completion for the roster and for the PS spot(s).

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Just listen to the fkn ******s on here, you'll get all the answers you are looking for.... :Rolleyes:

 

[mgteich]

This is tangent to the OL questions. It will be very interesting to see how we arrange the offensive roster. 5 or 6 WR's? 9 or 10 WRs? How many RB's on the roster now that we have brought back the FB as a major position. If we are going with a FB this season, how do we handle the backup position for him. Is he on the roster or is, let's say Lampke, always on the PS, or on the actual roster making us keep 5 or 6 RB's

As you can see there are going to be hard choices for how many people we are going to have to have at each position. I think the OL depth is still so iffy we will should carry 10 but I wonder if we can. Can we really be safe carrying just 3 RB's and 2 FB's, but can we afford to carry 6 RB's. Did we really waste a draft pick by picking a QB in a year when we likely will only carry 2 QBs on the rosters. How many TE's. Sounds like 4 minimum

So, 10 OL, 4 TE's, 6 WR's, 6 RB's 2 QB's That's 28 offensive players IF we are being prudent with our offensive depth and manage to keep our #3 QB on the PS That's leaves us with only 22defensive players if we keep the bare minimum of 3 ST's guys. Clearly that isn't going to work. So we are going to need to drop at LEAST 3 offensive roster spots.

Who is on your list?????

TE (3)
Henry, Raridon and

I thought this was the right number before Hill was injured. UI still think it right. Dippre is being developed for this. He should make the roster as the #3 TE. I know: others could beat him out. I think it more likely that we carry only 2 with 2 more on the PS and an OT being the jumbo 6th back. I actually could see Crownover being or jumbo back and emergency TE. I would expect that to happen if Dippre is inactive as he often could be if Raridon is ready for prime time.

 

[mgteich]

WR (6)
I suspect that we will have 6. My preference is 5, with a couple on the PS.

QB (2)
For this thread, I'll assume 2, although my strong preference is to always carry a 3rd.

OL (9)
We have the obvious 7 plus a 4th OT and a 5th IOL that hopefully can be an emergency center. In any case, I see us carrying 3 OL's on the PS (OT, OG, C).

I just don't see us carrying a 5th OT just because we have trouble choosing.

 

[mgteich]

ONE POSSIBILITY

OFFENSE (24)
QB (2)
RB (3)
FB (1)
WR (6)
OL (9)
TE (3)

DEFENSE (24)
DL (5) Williams, Barmore, Durden, Farmer, Gregory/Taylor
EDGE (5)
ILB (4)
CB (6)
S (4)

SPECIAL TEAMS (4)

PLAYER 53 (1)

NOTES
1) a 4th S isn't a lock to happen. Schooler could be the emergency #4 with another being on the Practice Squad.
2) 6 DL's make a lot of sense.
3) We could carry a 3rd QB.

 

[Gumby]

Let's start with RB/FB (4) where I don't there should be too much debate.

FULLBACK (1)
Most teams don't carry one FB. I don't think that we'll carry 2. We should have a backup on the Practice Squad, likely Lampe.

RUNNING BACK (3)
Three has always seem right for me, unless we had a ST #4.
We have Stevenson and Henderson who will ger almost all the reps barring injury.
The backup RB will hopefully also be a kick returner. In any case, we have a lot completion for the roster and for the PS spot(s).

Re: RBs

From a technical standpoint, I think you could actually start the first month of season with only 2 RB. With all the call up possibilities you can still have 3+FB on a gameday roster.

The problem with that is that you expose guys to PS theft. Our 3d RB is too good to risk PS. So a moot point.

But since the OP said the thread had no purpose, I thought I could make one pointless post.

 

[rkarp1]

Re: RBs

From a technical standpoint, I think you could actually start the first month of season with only 2 RB. With all the call up possibilities you can still have 3+FB on a gameday roster.

The problem with that is that you expose guys to PS theft. Our 3d RB is too good to risk PS. So a moot point.

But since the OP said the thread had no purpose, I thought I could make one pointless post.

in theory, the KR could also be that 3rd RB. Larison? Miller? Montgomery?
more than likely, those final 2-3 roster spots will come down to; do you keep?
3-TE's
6-WR's
4-OT's

 

[JoeSixPat]

This is tangent to the OL questions. It will be very interesting to see how we arrange the offensive roster. 5 or 6 WR's? 9 or 10 WRs? How many RB's on the roster now that we have brought back the FB as a major position. If we are going with a FB this season, how do we handle the backup position for him. Is he on the roster or is, let's say Lampke, always on the PS, or on the actual roster making us keep 5 or 6 RB's

As you can see there are going to be hard choices for how many people we are going to have to have at each position. I think the OL depth is still so iffy we will should carry 10 but I wonder if we can. Can we really be safe carrying just 3 RB's and 2 FB's, but can we afford to carry 6 RB's. Did we really waste a draft pick by picking a QB in a year when we likely will only carry 2 QBs on the rosters. How many TE's. Sounds like 4 minimum

So, 10 OL, 4 TE's, 6 WR's, 6 RB's 2 QB's That's 28 offensive players IF we are being prudent with our offensive depth and manage to keep our #3 QB on the PS That's leaves us with only 22defensive players if we keep the bare minimum of 3 ST's guys. Clearly that isn't going to work. So we are going to need to drop at LEAST 3 offensive roster spots.

Who is on your list?????

I don't think there's a chance of them having 6 RBs on the final roster - I'm thinking 3 -4 with Gilliam at FB, as they can sneak the rookies onto the PS because we will need depth over the season

I could see them putting a few guys on IR to stash them a minimum of 4 weeks too

I almost look at Mack Hollins as a TE and if they don't trade Boutte for an Edge, I can even see them keeping 7 WRs as one can make the case he's our 3rd best WR and I don't think Josh wants to skimp on receiving options.

Whether its from the OL depth or looking at Hollins being on the field filling the role of the extra TE (he's an excellent blocker) that may mean 3 TEs, though I think we will also see a TE signing once other teams are cutting down

I could definitely see them keeping 9 OL given that we could use an extra blocker at times, especially with TE injuries already. They'll have a rotation to keep everyone fresh and for developmental purposes I think its better for OL to be playing in games to better develop rather than just stashed on PS

On carrying a 3rd QB, I don't see it - yes they used a 7th round pick on a QB, but that's not unusual to see a 7th rounder put on PS any more than a UDFA rookie going to the PS.

But that alone gets us down to 25 on offense to hold spots for 3 defensive players that are looking for those spots you mentioned

But again, I think that may shift even through to the final cuts as they will look at who's available

 

[Gumby]

in theory, the KR could also be that 3rd RB. Larison? Miller? Montgomery?
more than likely, those final 2-3 roster spots will come down to; do you keep?
3-TE's
6-WR's
4-OT's

KR is anyway NOT a reserved ST position. I believe when the OP said 3; he meant: K, P, LS.

KR can be a [second job for a] CB, S, RB, WR.
In today’s NFL I believe PR is more likely to be a WR, CB, S
and the KR is more likely RB ( as you suggest) or a S, stout WR, or maybe even think about a crazy thought: TE.

But in no way will or should most teams hold a player on roster who is either KR/PR -only. BB was an outlier keeping Gunner-only players rostered. I would still see a Gunner as much more likely than a Returner to get such special accommodation.

 

[mgteich]

KR is anyway NOT a reserved ST position. I believe when the OP said 3; he meant: K, P, LS.

KR can be a [second job for a] CB, S, RB, WR.
In today’s NFL I believe PR is more likely to be a WR, CB, S
and the KR is more likely RB ( as you suggest) or a S, stout WR, or maybe even think about a crazy thought: TE.

But in no way will or should most teams hold a player on roster who is either KR/PR -only. BB was an outlier keeping Gunner-only players rostered. I would still see a Gunner as much more likely than a Returner to get such special accommodation.

I think that Gunner had more receptions that our 6th WR last year.

 

[p8ryts]

TE (3)
Henry, Raridon and

I thought this was the right number before Hill was injured. UI still think it right. Dippre is being developed for this. He should make the roster as the #3 TE. I know: others could beat him out. I think it more likely that we carry only 2 with 2 more on the PS and an OT being the jumbo 6th back. I actually could see Crownover being or jumbo back and emergency TE. I would expect that to happen if Dippre is inactive as he often could be if Raridon is ready for prime time.

I'm on board with Crownover as the jumbo back, emergency TE and the 6th Olineman. I hope he is capable of that and someone recognizes it. I just want someone who can block.

 

[Gumby]

I think that Gunner had more receptions that our 6th WR last year.

You are talking about a person Gunner O. I am talking about a football position (exempli gratia: M. Slater).

Nice try at diversion.

 

[mgteich]

You are talking about a person Gunner O. I am talking about a football position (exempli gratia: M. Slater).

Nice try at diversion.

I would still see a Gunner as much more likely than a Returner to get such special accommodation.
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OK, so I didn't get the capitalization error.

fair enough

I guess that I disagree some.

There are several backup players who are on the team because they play ST's. They may be the emergency last position player, but they really are here to play ST's.

Absent injuries, I don't expect any of these ST positions to play many position reps.
#3 RB
#6 WR
#4 ILB
#4 EDGE
#5 CB
#6 CB
#4 S
#5 S

Include the 3 specialists and we have 11 players who are primarily or wholly STers.

 

[n1997y]

This is tangent to the OL questions. It will be very interesting to see how we arrange the offensive roster. 5 or 6 WR's? 9 or 10 WRs? How many RB's on the roster now that we have brought back the FB as a major position. If we are going with a FB this season, how do we handle the backup position for him. Is he on the roster or is, let's say Lampke, always on the PS, or on the actual roster making us keep 5 or 6 RB's

As you can see there are going to be hard choices for how many people we are going to have to have at each position. I think the OL depth is still so iffy we will should carry 10 but I wonder if we can. Can we really be safe carrying just 3 RB's and 2 FB's, but can we afford to carry 6 RB's. Did we really waste a draft pick by picking a QB in a year when we likely will only carry 2 QBs on the rosters. How many TE's. Sounds like 4 minimum

So, 10 OL, 4 TE's, 6 WR's, 6 RB's 2 QB's That's 28 offensive players IF we are being prudent with our offensive depth and manage to keep our #3 QB on the PS That's leaves us with only 22defensive players if we keep the bare minimum of 3 ST's guys. Clearly that isn't going to work. So we are going to need to drop at LEAST 3 offensive roster spots.

Who is on your list?????

I expect we will run a lot thinner at a couple of positions, and use the PS heavily to supplement the roster at those positions. I’m not entirely convinced that we will carry 10 OL, although it’s quite possible we do. I certainly expect at least a couple of OL on the PS. I’m expecting 3 TEs, 4 RBs (3+1 FB), plus several on PS. We may well see crossover use of TEs and also DL at FB. And I expect all 3 QBs to be on the roster, not PS. And maybe just 5 WRs, although 6 is also quite possible.

So my tally: 10 OL, 6 WR, 3 TE, 4 RB, 3 QB = 26 offensive players.

 

[mgteich]

For me, 10 OL's is a lot. However, I could see it happening if Crownover isn't reader for prime time.

 

[n1997y]

For me, 10 OL's is a lot. However, I could see it happening if Crownover isn't reader for prime time.

Yes, it could be just 9, but I think it depends on how they see Moses’ durability, and the depth behind him.
They must carry the five starters, and in addition I think they will carry two centers on the roster (Brown and Rizy(?)), plus Lomu. Thats up to eight. I think that’s thin on both IOL and OT. They might carry one of each of those, or if they see Lomu as being able to play G they might just add another OT or two. After the end of last season showed how injuries can devastate the OL my gut feeling is that Vrabel will choose to carry extra depth.

I haven’t looked at the depth to see who might not make it through to PS, which might be a factor. I expect even if they carry 10 there will be at most 9 as game day actives.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, it could be just 9, but I think it depends on how they see Moses’ durability, and the depth behind him.
They must carry the five starters, and in addition I think they will carry two centers on the roster (Brown and Rizy(?)), plus Lomu. Thats up to eight. I think that’s thin on both IOL and OT. They might carry one of each of those, or if they see Lomu as being able to play G they might just add another OT or two. After the end of last season showed how injuries can devastate the OL my gut feeling is that Vrabel will choose to carry extra depth.

I haven’t looked at the depth to see who might not make it through to PS, which might be a factor. I expect even if they carry 10 there will be at most 9 as game day actives.

I think that we're all fine on the 5 starters, Lomu and Brown.
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#8: I think that we all agree to the need for a 4th OT. And, yes, we need him to be a potential starter.
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#9, #10 and PS.
#9 We will likely carry a backup veteran OG, hopefully one that can be our #3 C.
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Our disagreement is on the need for a 3rd center on the roster if our 2nd IOL backup can't do the job. In that case, I would rely on Rupcich and Rizy on the PS.