Boutte available for trade?

[PatsFan2]

Kayshon Boutte makes feelings on future clear after Patriots acquire A.J. Brown

Boutte addressed his future hopes amid significant changes to the wide receiver room in New England.

www.yardbarker.com

I think Boutte would really benefit with A.J. on the other side.

 

[Wozzy]

Bull ****ing ****. Kraft made one comment that he would like to see some collaboration and Belichick blew him off completely, which is why Kraft said in 24 that Belichick had full control the entire time. You have absolutely ZERO proof that Wolf picked Jones, but you keep repeating it like it's gospel.

This is false. Kraft didn’t say he’d like to see something different, he announced personnel would now be a collaboration at the 2021 owners meeting. A clear change.

Reporters wrote that Bill didn’t want Mac in the first but got vetoed. I didn’t make it up.

Show your proof that Wolf made that pick or shut the **** up about it.

According to NFL insider Jeff Howe, Belichick was "dead set on taking a quarterback" in the first round of the 2021 NFL Draft but favored Davis Mills, who was eventually selected by the Houston Texansin the third round. Belichick reportedly "relinquished to the staff’s strong push for Jones," recognizing Jones as the organization's highest-rated player and adhering to a new collaborative approach he had vowed to take.

 

[Wozzy]

this is you at your best
lying. believing your lies. and continuing to double down.
now change the subject and tell us you said Chuks wasn't good

I said Chuks, Michael Jordan and Nick Leverett weren’t good… you and PFF said they were.

Who was correct?

Regarding collaboration, Bob and Bill both say it
happened… even if Bob backtracked after it failed.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is false. Kraft didn’t say he’d like to see something different, he announced personnel would now be a collaboration at the 2021 owners meeting. A clear change.

Reporters wrote that Bill didn’t want Mac in the first but got vetoed. I didn’t make it up.

According to NFL insider Jeff Howe, Belichick was "dead set on taking a quarterback" in the first round of the 2021 NFL Draft but favored Davis Mills, who was eventually selected by the Houston Texansin the third round. Belichick reportedly "relinquished to the staff’s strong push for Jones," recognizing Jones as the organization's highest-rated player and adhering to a new collaborative approach he had vowed to take.

Once again ********. You provide Zero Proof of your claims.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bill Belichick quit Parcells and the Jets for total control of football operations, and the idea that he gave that over to Eliot Wolf to pick his quarterback for him is 100% fantasy cult of Belichick nonsense. Kraft made it clear that Belichick always ran things with complete control.l, and the idea that Eliot Wolf overruled Belichick is completely absurd.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is false. Kraft didn’t say he’d like to see something different, he announced personnel would now be a collaboration at the 2021 owners meeting. A clear change.

Reporters wrote that Bill didn’t want Mac in the first but got vetoed. I didn’t make it up.

According to NFL insider Jeff Howe, Belichick was "dead set on taking a quarterback" in the first round of the 2021 NFL Draft but favored Davis Mills, who was eventually selected by the Houston Texansin the third round. Belichick reportedly "relinquished to the staff’s strong push for Jones," recognizing Jones as the organization's highest-rated player and adhering to a new collaborative approach he had vowed to take.

Once again, someone has to make the decision though. Are they taking a majority vote before every decision? No.

As I mentioned when it was going down back in 2020, Bob was clearly embarrassed they let Tom Brady go and instantly win another Super Bowl with his new team. The drafts had been bad since 2013 and the 2020 draft was the nail in the coffin. Bob may have had a meeting with Bill asking him to allow more input from others, but it's still Bill's final say at the end of the day. There was another private meeting after 2021 and 2022 before Bob having enough during the 2023 season.

 

[TheRainMaker]

During and after the 2020 season, the media went after the Pats pretty good for letting Tom Brady go. Here's a video talking about why Bill had become so bad at drafting players. Chris Simms talks about his time in NE where he sat outside the war room on two drafts. He talks about the two times BB pissed off scouts with player selections, but it worked in Bill's favor. But as some of us saw, the drafts were getting worse by the year after from 2013-2020 when coincidentally Floyd Reese left the building. I'll let Chris reveal the two names scouts were pissed at Bill with.

 

[captain stone]

Belichick definitely drafted Jones. One of his best friends (Saban) was Jones’ coach. That’s about as obvious as obvious can get…

The buck stopped at Bill, without doubt, even during the 2021-23 Collaboration. Two video clips I remember from that whole process, however, were one from Corky's pro day in which Bill & McD were shown shaking their heads, and not in a good way; and the other from inside the draft room when Bill says, just before they call in their pick, We all good with this...? Not sure those were the actions of a man who couldn't wait to draft his next QB; but what else could he do? He didn't acquire another QB to compete with Scam, and Corky was the last of the 1st-round QBs still available, plus he was familiar with a lot of the E-P concepts already... It was a no-brainer pick, but I think when Bill asked his We Good? question, he might've done it so everyone's opinion could be placed on the record, he (& McD too?) had that little confidence in the dude...

 

[BobDigital]

I think the truth is Boutte knows what he is and isn't. He isn't good enough he can afford to be a headache, but he is valuable to an NFL roster. I think he'd rather not be here and wants to go elsewhere to play for his contract.

He probably said as much to management in private and in small circles. Then it gets out, but he certainly doesn't want to be seen as a problem for an NFL team so he plays it down and now id saying he wants to be here.

All very understandable. Tried to go about things the right way. Now is playing damage control a year before his 2nd contract. The one that will set him up for life.

 

[PatsFan2]

Belichick definitely drafted Jones. One of his best friends (Saban) was Jones’ coach. That’s about as obvious as obvious can get…

Didn't Bill also have input from one of his friends to take no separation Harry over other WR's in that Draft?? Bill blew that entire Draft with the Epic SlowJuan selection bravo.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Kraft said he would like to see some " collaboration," Belichick ignored him and continued to do whatever he wanted, as always. Belichick is the GOAT coach and possibly the GOAT GM, but he doesn't play well with others, is a control freak, and always did what he wanted to do. The idea that Eliot Wokf stepped in and said " No Bill, we're taking Mac Jones, whether you want him or not" is absurdity at its finest.

Kraft:

New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft expressed some regrets about the amount of power he gave Bill Belichick, particularly over his final years as head coach.
In an interview on The Breakfast Club (starts at 36:00 mark), Kraft explained that he had given Belichick "so much power" in the post-Tom Brady era that it hindered the organization.
"Our record the last three to four years wasn't what I wanted," Kraft said. "And I had given him so much power. He had full control over everything. And shame on me, I should've had some checks and balances better."

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Ohhhhh.

https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2026/06/patriots-receiver-kayshon-boutte-on-trade-rumors-i-want-to-be-in-new-england.html

That clears that up.

So now it's a matter of closing the distance between the #3ish guy he is now, vs. how he sees himself developing in the future, in terms of contract talks. Now I love him, and want the Pats to find a way.

The knock on him, and the beauty of the AJB pickup, is that Boutte isn't a high-pointing, chain moving, scrappy fighter for the ball, and he's not built to be.

Edit: I wrote the struck-out text and it's totally wrong. Moving on...

What he did do last year was post 16.7 yds/reception with 6 TDs -- nobody is knocking that -- on 33 catches. Targeted 46 times, 6 TDs, so a little better than a TD every 8 targets.

Now - he did that outside the numbers. He brings something different.

Another poster complained elsewhere that we don't have an "answer" at the slot receiver position. Okay I get the complaint.

Meanwhile, Vrabes wants guys to learn many aspects of their positions, and that includes receivers.

You have to wonder how that perceived gap in (slot) performance meshes with the materials on-hand and Vrabes' point of emphasis on learning all the aspects of the position.

We know that AJB has done lots of damage from the slot in the past.

We have Hollins and Douglas capable of being the "other" slot guy if we want AJB outside with another slot guy available.... and are okay with 7 or 8 yards per catch.

Does that leave Boutte either fighting Doubs for snaps or (probably disastrously) trying to move to slot?

Or, and this is weird, does it make AJB the outside/slot hybrid threat he started out as, freeing up outside looks for Boutte and Kyle Williams opposite Doubs?

How much other room does that leave for a Boutte... especially with AJB a threat to "AJ Smash" from any position?

So if we keep 5 WRs that would mean keeping:
- AJB
- Doubs
- 1 pure inside guy? (Hollins? Douglas? Efton?) This is for when we want the best at x and z and still have the chain mover at Y
- Kyle Williams - gotta develop future home run guy
- Boutte - does he need to line up outside the numbers? can he bring slot production?

I honestly would love to see what happens with AJB in the slot a higher percentage, like earlier in his career, to see what Boutte/Doubs/Williams look like on the outside with a gigantic must-double slot receiver drawing defensive attention.

Okay, that's the first cup of coffee talkiing. Jesus, it's barely June.

 

[Wozzy]

Once again ********. You provide Zero Proof of your claims.

Bob Kraft said it into a microphone with a TV camera pointed at him. The local sports media were in a frenzy of excitement that Bob was taking the draft away from Bill. It was discussed ad nauseam on this and other forums.

Robert Kraft says New England Patriots changing approach to NFL draft after recent misses contributed to free-agent spending spree

Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who spent an NFL-record $165 million in guaranteed money in free agency, said the team's recent drafts have fallen short and that he's seen a "different approach" this year that he hopes will lead to sustained success.

www.espn.com

Bill gave an interview a year after he was gone and said it happened… but you missed that… you missed
both of these things.



Your agenda is showing.

 

[Wozzy]

Kraft said he would like to see some " collaboration," Belichick ignored him and continued to do whatever he wanted, as always.

You have zero proof of this ^

This is a fever dream you had.

Provide a link?

 

[Rob0729]

I don't know whether Boutte will be traded or not, but what he says to the media about wanting to stay should be taken with a grain of salt. Most players say they want to stay with the team they are on until they are traded. Then they are ecstatic to be with their new team. Boutte is saying the right thing publicly, but he could be still asking for a trade behind closed doors.

I will say this though. If that is the case, he is at least growing up. Because when he was a rookie he did not bite his lip when he was not happy he wasn't getting the ball enough for his liking.

 

[Wozzy]

Once again, someone has to make the decision though. Are they taking a majority vote before every decision? No.

Bob or Jon have ultimate power and Bill, according to reports and his own words, agreed to cede personnel power to the collaborative.

As I mentioned when it was going down back in 2020, Bob was clearly embarrassed they let Tom Brady go and instantly win another Super Bowl with his new team. The drafts had been bad since 2013 and the 2020 draft was the nail in the coffin. Bob may have had a meeting with Bill asking him to allow more input from others, but it's still Bill's final say at the end of the day. There was another private meeting after 2021 and 2022 before Bob having enough during the 2023 season.

I was saying in the late 2010’s the Patriots suffered from brain drain due to late dynasty success and Bill needed more help. But I don’t get a vote…

I have no problem with someone saying personnel decisions were mixed from 2021-2023… but saying BB was wholly responsible is wrong. Bob pretended “collaboration” didn’t happen only after BB was let go, after it failed miserably. Hell he also produced an entire documentary suggesting Bill was a tourist during the entire two decades…. while BB remained silent.

One side had an axe to grind, Bob was lobbying for the HOF and needed it to seem like he was the architect.

At the end of the day it all needed to end, Tom, Bill… all of it. But hey, I’m on record early in 2024 saying they should hire Vrabel or Flores… so don’t kill the messenger.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't know whether Boutte will be traded or not, but what he says to the media about wanting to stay should be taken with a grain of salt. Most players say they want to stay with the team they are on until they are traded. Then they are ecstatic to be with their new team. Boutte is saying the right thing publicly, but he could be still asking for a trade behind closed doors.

I will say this though. If that is the case, he is at least growing up. Because when he was a rookie he did not bite his lip when he was not happy he wasn't getting the ball enough for his liking.

I assume he has built a home and has roots set down here. It’s a tough business decision but doing what’s best for the team is what the front office signed up for.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't know whether Boutte will be traded or not, but what he says to the media about wanting to stay should be taken with a grain of salt. Most players say they want to stay with the team they are on until they are traded. Then they are ecstatic to be with their new team. Boutte is saying the right thing publicly, but he could be still asking for a trade behind closed doors.

I will say this though. If that is the case, he is at least growing up. Because when he was a rookie he did not bite his lip when he was not happy he wasn't getting the ball enough for his liking.

I Stopped reading right there: any Team that has Sucked at Drafting WR's for years have no business moving on from one who has developed. I think most fans here prefer Boutte over say Pop or Chism.

 

[Wozzy]

I Stopped reading right there: a Team that has Sucked at Drafting WR's for years have no business moving on from one who has developed.

New regime, the past has nothing to do with it. Franchises aren’t cursed.

I think most fans here prefer Boutte over say Pop

I don’t. With Brown and Doubs addition Pop could have a big role here. Boutte is a lesser talent and redundant.

 

[PatsFan2]

New regime, the past has nothing to do with it. Franchises aren’t cursed.

I don’t. With Brown and Doubs addition Pop could have a big role here. Boutte is a lesser talent and redundant.

So Pop is better than Boutte now?? Maybe his Rookie year but not the last two years: you're sleeping on Boutte.