PATRIOTS NEWS OFFICIAL: Patriots Finally Acquire AJ Brown

[Ring 6]

Because there does need to be a line in the sand somewhere or you get deals like Linderbaum, who I really wanted btw but hell no at that price. I'll pay you 2 more then anyone else is fair and the way the NFL works. Using your logic let's say they offer 33 Gonzos agent says 35 are you really going to say no to that because 2 million a year out of a 300 million cap is an accounting error? How bout 36? You know what he's one of the best defensive players in the NFL who are making 40 a year as long as he is under that it's fine? The answer to your question isn't that of course Gonzo is worth the extra million, it's is Gonzo worth that extra million plus (2) 1st round picks. Find a dumb ass team like the colts and that's potentially top 15 picks to really reload on talent. I think it's absolutely fine to have a line in the sand where the math becomes interesting and I agree with him that line is 33.

You misrepresent my “logic”. My argument isn’t offer him whatever he wants. My argument is it’s a silly argument for a fan to draw an arbitrary line in the sand and say I will give this player 33 million a year but tell him to gf himself if he wants 34.
You support my argument by the silly pretend negotiation argument.

You are acting like you are negotiating but in reality you are creating an arbitrary line. Again, why set it at 33 instead of 34? Why does the 1 million matter.
Now in truth maybe the number might be 26, I don’t know, I’m just saying sitting on a message board drawing an AAV line in the sand at an arbitrary point is ridiculous.

 

[patfanken]

How is he wrong? Seems the Pats were negotiating against themselves. Brown I guess wanted to be here and here alone and they still gave away 2 draft picks for a near 30 year old that IS slowing down a bit with a questionable at best knee.

Do I like the player? Yeah. Does he make the team better this year, yeah. After that it's anyones guess.

The Pats had no choice.

NE failed to address WR in the draft.

That was a choice, CLEARLY. They addressed the WR position between FA and with the UDFA's. And I ask you this question since you follow the draft closely. Which of the first 3 picks the Pats made would you have dropped to pick a WR. We got the last top rated OT. We got the edge we desperately needed, and a quality TE prospect we also desperately far more than a 3rd round WR. And don't start to tell me that picking a WR in rounds 5-7 would be "addressing the WR position".

We had already improved the WR room BEFORE the trade. The WR room was already going to be better simply by being in the same offense for a 2nd year and having that offense expand its range a bit

 

[Triumph]

What a line. Hilarious.

Other posters said the knee might have healed.

Brown is not 100% and by the end of the year we have no idea how effective he will be. Big risk.

I have had my knees drained. Its no big deal. Snowflakes would be wallowing and moaning about knee pain.

Brown strikes me as a man.

 

[Triumph]

It is interesting to note that AJB has had the knee problem since his days at Tennessee. I think it was even an issue when he was traded to Philly.

Exactly.

Often times during a game a player will go into the locker-room for an injection into an injured area so he can go back out and finish the game.

 

[ViperGTS]

I have had my knees drained. Its no big deal. Snowflakes would be wallowing and moaning about knee pain.

Brown strikes me as a man.

You also aren't being paid tens of millions of dollars to run on said knee for 17 maybe 21 weeks. Big difference.

 

[DC Patriots]

What a line. Hilarious.

Other posters said the knee might have healed.

Brown is not 100% and by the end of the year we have no idea how effective he will be. Big risk.

Issue is really the cause of the fluid accumulation. Nobody has released any data as to the underlying medical cause other than that is “chronic and degenerative.”

If it’s osteoarthritis, that’s going to be slowly progressive and more of a problem for him personally after his career is over. Rheumatoid, recurrent tendonitis or gout are more likely to be problematic while he’s still a patriot.

But, I personally am trying to be positive today. It’s a guy who desperately wanted to be a Patriot who will make Drake better. There will be plenty of time later to lament who we could have drafted with the picks

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Do I like the player? Yeah. Does he make the team better this year, yeah.

Ok so what are we complaining about here? Ultimately we gave away a special teams player (5th round pick) and (barring some crazy unforeseen circumstances) late first rounder for a 3 year fix at WR1. What is the issue here? That THAT was too rich for your blood?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

This thing about "The Patriots were the only buyer!" is a lazy radio talk take. You can sell a car for $30,000. Just because there is only one interested buyer doesn't mean you can talk the seller down to $3,000. That's not how the world works.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The Athletic has a good article in AJB’s single standout area, how much he makes defenses pay in man coverage… I.e., how to make it an offense that defenses respect/fear. It kind of answers the question of what else he brings to make us better, other than being a little younger than Diggs.

 

[RxJock1120]

What a line. Hilarious.

Other posters said the knee might have healed.

Brown is not 100% and by the end of the year we have no idea how effective he will be. Big risk.

Of course its a risk, that is why AJB was available in the first place. No one is trading us Chase or Jefferson, cause they don't have any risks associated with them and hence no GM in their right mind would try to get rid of them.

But guess what, drafting a guy at the bottom of Rd 1 is also a big risk because they have never played in the NFL. May also cone with an injury history or attitude problems. AJB has dominated in the NFL, at least we know that much.

The physical can take care of the medical evaluation, if there are serious problems with AJBs knee, I am sure NE can nix the trade.

If there is one place where AJB should not be a malcontent its here, the team he grew up rooting for and playing for a coach he has an extensive history with.

Yes, this is a gamble, no question about it. But it is a gamble with a very high potential of paying off by us raising the Lombardi trophy.

 

[Bill Lee]

Seems to be some buyers remorse without even seeing if he is worth the cost of this move.
Much like determining "winners" after the NFL draft before OTA's, TC & season start.
Will choose to wait to see if he was worth it before judgement is passed.

What I am seeing is a lot of people pushing things to one extreme or the other trying to make their point stick, whereas we simply don't know where things will go.

Not to pick on these people in particular, but:

2 more super bowl appearances too? Sign me up.

Well, yeah, if you can guarantee two super bowl appearances most teams would be glad to give away a first two years from now and a fifth.

Also:

If we get 3 WR1 years out of AJ, and he does his part in deep playoff runs, how is that not worth it? Right out of the gate, week 1 in Seattle, 100 yards and a TD. Helps Maye become MVP, other FA receivers line up when he's done. It's worth it.

Three WR1 years with deep playoff runs each season for a first and a fifth, sure, sign me up.

On the other extreme:

This trade was about AJ Brown, Howie Roseman, and Mike Vrabel.

Brown whined his way out of town, Roseman was willing to accommodate because of bad chemistry and bad knees if he could fleece someone, and Vrabel drove the Pats' willingness to be fleeced.

Fleeced, you say?

Personally I think two strong WR1 seasons is about the most we can expect, and playoffs/SBs are outside of the discussion because it's a team sport. And that is quite a reasonable ask, presuming his health is solid. By year 3, I suspect either his attitude or his knees or his overall body will fade. Hopefully he's still a serviceable WR without too bad an attitude and we can get a decent Year 3, and then we'll have to figure out how to take the big lump sum that the voidable years will require.

Compare/contrast to keeping the first and the fifth. The first is a lotto pick. It could be great, or it could be a bust, or something in between. The one thing you do know about it is that it is five years of a controlled salary, without the big bang of voidable years hanging over your head. If you miss, the pain of missing isn't a lot. Yet if AJB has significant health issues, you are still on the hook for a WR1 salary and still get to take the end-of-contract cap hit. And the fifth is a player too. We have three 5th rounders from this draft in camp, at least one seems like they'll make the team. They can also be used in trades, as Philly just showed.

To me, we win the trade if AJB is a strong WR1 for at least two seasons, stays healthy so doesn't miss many games, has a good attitude, and helps Maye develop. We lose the trade if AJB can't deliver that for whatever reason. It looks even worse if that first rounder ends up being a stud, and even worse if Howie hits on the fifth rounder too, but like I said, it's a lotto situation so no one can say.

 

[ViperGTS]

Ok so what are we complaining about here? Ultimately we gave away a special teams player (5th round pick) and (barring some crazy unforeseen circumstances) late first rounder for a 3 year fix at WR1. What is the issue here? That THAT was too rich for your blood?

Not too inclined to pay a 1st for a less than 100 percent health player.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Unfortunately that’s a very incomplete article and analysis by the author.

He makes the comment about how the cap charges are spread through the void years. But then he mentions how the Pats can get out of the contract after 2028 with little investment but fails to realize that the void year cap charges get accelerated to the current year (or the current year and the next year, depending on timing and approach) when a player is cut.

Absent a restructured contract, there will be a large cap hit at the end.

Agree. Here is a more complete picture.

Contract details for Patriots trade acquisition A.J. Brown

An up-close look at Brown’s salary cap hits, option bonuses, and more.

www.patspulpit.com

 

[Bill Lee]

1st rounders are important, but AJ Brown is a known high level commodity and we have the cap space. I tend to think his knee holds out at least 2 years, at which point the Pats can save a significant amount of money with releasing him.

Patriots first round draft picks since 2014:

2014- Dominique Easley
2015- Malcom Brown
2016- No pick
2017- No pick
2018- Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michel
2019- N'Keal Harry
2020- No Pick
2021- Mac Jones
2022- Cole Strange
2023- Christian Gonzalez
2024- Drake Maye
2025- Will Campbell
2026- Caleb Lomu

11 picks. 6 outright busts.
A 7th player, Sony Michel, was an important contributor to the SB his rookie season, but overall a semi-bust.

Almost all of those picks were BB picks, and we all knew he had his own unique way of evaluating players (ref: N'Keal Harry, Cole Strange) and he was willing to take risks.

It's really not at all an indicator of what would have happened with the 2028 1st rounder if we kept it, IMO.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Not too inclined to pay a 1st for a less than 100 percent health player.

I would rather it have been less too, **** I would've liked to have him for free! I just thinking that a 1st round pick 2 years away is about the going rate for a WR of his caliber. ****, if he turns out to give us "AJ Brown play" for 2 years like another poster mentioned, I'd call that a win for us

 

[Patriot Missile]

Tytyft ytctcc

2027

Roseman can package NEs 2028 1st pick to move up in the 2027 draft.

and finally get a NFL ready QB hopeful.

 

[upstater1]

LA Rams first rounders in the last 10 years.

2016 Jared Goff

2017 no first rounder
2018 no first rounder
2019 no first rounder
2020 no first rounder
2021 no first rounder
2022 no first rounder
2023 no first rounder

2024 Jared Verse

2025 no first rounder

2026 Ty Simpson

4-12
11-5
13-3
9-7
10-6
12-5
5-12
10-7
10-7
12-5

1 Super Bowl win and a lucky one at that because they had a very weak opponent.

And here comes the epic collapse from having a team full of old people.

Is this really what you want over the next 10 years?

1 Super Bowl is great, even if lucky, but they are in for a world of hurt coming soon.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The deal’s made & I know the fun in it for many is second-guessing the price. Ok. Looks high-ish to me too. Not crazy high, but it feels like he’s not as good as the draft ammo we’re giving up — but can we take 5 seconds to say, let’s drop some DIMES?!?!

Can’t wait to see what the Maye-Brown connection looks like this year.

With the changes all across the line, the 2 new better WRs, & another year of Maye’s development, this is going to be an offense to fear. In addition if you get behind, the secondary will be tough to come back against.

Also Drake Maye is rumored to be covering his body in sand trout to become a human god.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

 

[1960Pats]

It's like you are getting your information from Trump.

You should really stop top crying about a lost election. It's not like it was close.