I suspect that 12 positions are truly up for grabs.

[mgteich]

So what. Only 8.9% of 5th round picks make it to a second contract. If you are suggesting its a valuable round, you are just wrong.

You have a new definition to a valuable asset/

Players aren't valued by whether they sign a second contract? Players can give very good value for ONE contract.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm not debating of his authoritative position. I'm simply saying what he said on players such as ownenu and others during that span.. take it as you may.. your correct Wolf was the defacto GM.. I'll soothe your inflated ego. YOUR RIGHT!!!

You're blathering BS and making accusations against people when YOU are the one making things up. What's laughable is that I pointed out 3 issues with your post where you were wrong. Instead of being an ADULT and just admitting to the mistake, you exacerbated the situation and have done so again. It's why you're treated the way you are.

 

[Real fan 02]

You're blathering BS and making accusations against people when YOU are the one making things up. What's laughable is that I pointed out 3 issues with your post where you were wrong. Instead of being an ADULT and just admitting to the mistake, you exacerbated the situation and have done so again. It's why you're treated the way you are.

 

[Gumby]

I'm not debating of his authoritative position. I'm simply saying what he said on players such as ownenu and others during that span.. take it as you may.. your correct Wolf was the defacto GM.. I'll soothe your inflated ego. YOUR RIGHT!!!

What‘s on his right that he should be looking for? …… A missing verb? [ you‘re ]

 

[Real fan 02]

What‘s on his right that he should be looking for? …… A missing verb? [ you‘re ]

Even telling him he's right isn't satisfying enough...

 

[Gumby]

Even telling him he's right isn't satisfying enough...

There are several posters I don’t engage with much because they just want to do a back-forth as many times as they can … I suspect just to get their post count up. I find responding that way tiresome. @Ians banner system was an innovative idea to try and cure some of that on the sly. But some are just incorrigible.

 

[Real fan 02]

There are several posters I don’t engage with much because they just want to do a back-forth as many times as they can … I suspect just to get their post count up. I find responding that way tiresome. @Ians banner system was an innovative idea to try and cure some of that on the sly. But some are just incorrigible.

This. Like yourself I like to be an insightful poster.. as well learning from posters like yourself and others.. like @TheRainMaker @One-If-By-Sea for example.. bringing some humor and breaking up the monotony. I like Ian's banner system I believe it's a great format. The forum is about the team and us as posters sharing our thoughts, opinions and feelings on how WE as fans see the team or at least that's what I get from it.

 

[Ring 6]

You did this whole anti-Hollins schtick last year and you were proven wrong. Now you are again polluting threads with the worthless schtick about Hollins. Can you please stop polluting the threads with your Hollins hate?

It’s not schtick. Hollins production was is and had been subpar based upon his playing time. Drake Maye elevated him a bit last year, but we should still have better receivers more capable of getting open on the field.
Part of being an adult is realizing that other people have opinions to and demanding to be in an echo chamber that agrees with you is childish. Good luck with that

 

[Ring 6]

Ok good point, but he's still not going anywhere, unless he takes a serious step back in camp.

Would you keep a 33 year old who doesn’t play special teams to sit on the bench as WR5? That’s a serious consideration
He’s clearly behind Brown, Doubs, Boutte. I don’t think you hold Williams back for a 33 year old jag.
Shouldn’t wr5, wr6 if you keep one include consideration for development and the future?
Hollins is the guy they want to upgrade with AJ Brown.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It’s not schtick. Hollins production was is and had been subpar based upon his playing time. Drake Maye elevated him a bit last year, but we should still have better receivers more capable of getting open on the field.
Part of being an adult is realizing that other people have opinions to and demanding to be in an echo chamber that agrees with you is childish. Good luck with that

It is a schtick.

 

[Clonamery]

It is a schtick.

Don't beat beat yourself up over it though.

 

[imahobgoblin]

You have a new definition to a valuable asset/

Players aren't valued by whether they sign a second contract? Players can give very good value for ONE contract.

I have not made up any new definition. I stated a fact that 8.9% of 5th rounders make it to a second contract. 50% of them are out of the league prior to their first contract expiring. So its a coin flip. The push for late round picks is all about $$$. The big boys like QB and WR are making outrageous salaries, and take up too much money under a cap leading to the need for lower salaries to fill out the roster. This is why some teams goes all in before a promising QB reaches his 2nd contract. It becomes much harder to pay a team when you have 1 guy sucking up 20%-25% of the cap. There are many ways to skin the cap. Dallas and Cincinnati dumped all the resources into offense. KC tries to do a balance but has failed with that approach recently. They can't draft a WR to save their lives and MaHomes is getting killed because of it.

Teams have no choice but to stack the roster with as many late round pics as possible, but that does not automatically declare those picks are good or valuable. Most are bodies. They are a necessity by default with the way teams are managing their caps. The oddity is Philadelphia because the owner spends money like water with signing bonuses to keep the current cap low, but the obvious problem is dead money. That approach will never work in NE. Kraft would never pay like that.

Can a 5th-7th round pick be valuable? Of course, but the likelihood is pretty low. Teams burn through them quickly and move on. There is much more dross than there is gold, and that's fine. But its not a shocking thing that a 5th rounder gets cut, never makes a 2nd contract, or is out of the league. Those complaining a team missed on a 5th rounder or complaining that Swinson's cut is a sign of bad drafting are just morons.

 

[Family]

Would you keep a 33 year old who doesn’t play special teams to sit on the bench as WR5? That’s a serious consideration
He’s clearly behind Brown, Doubs, Boutte. I don’t think you hold Williams back for a 33 year old jag.
Shouldn’t wr5, wr6 if you keep one include consideration for development and the future?
Hollins is the guy they want to upgrade with AJ Brown.

Boutte will likely be part of some trade if Brown comes. They will not pay him with Brown and Dobbs taking so much WR salary. Williams is currently the developmental player.

Hollins works well with Maye. DM seems to tend/like to throw high, and Hollins is a nice 3/4th option to pick balls off out of the air for him. He's another third down option.

Most importantly Hollins seems to add something to the team/room. His value is more than the stats reflect. I think it would be bad for us, if Josh Allen had Hollins back, and that's likely where he would end up.

 

[BTTA]

Would you keep a 33 year old who doesn’t play special teams to sit on the bench as WR5? That’s a serious consideration
He’s clearly behind Brown, Doubs, Boutte. I don’t think you hold Williams back for a 33 year old jag.
Shouldn’t wr5, wr6 if you keep one include consideration for development and the future?
Hollins is the guy they want to upgrade with AJ Brown.

Nobody who has any responsibility creating an NFL roster uses a vertical, numerical hierarchy to construct a WR room. It is about roles that are needed in an offense. Hollins is good at that particular role in this offense. If someone shows up better at it, his roster spot is at risk. Guys who do different roles who happen to be better at those roles are not a threat to Hollins' roster spot.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Most importantly Hollins seems to add something to the team/room. His value is more than the stats reflect. I think it would be bad for us, if Josh Allen had Hollins back, and that's likely where he would end up.

This is correct. You forgot to add that Hollins is exceptional in the running game and moving Wilson to center, and adding AVT, Gilliam, Hill and Arin (UDFA TE), it looks like the Pats plan to run more.

 

[Wozzy]

Nobody who has any responsibility creating an NFL roster uses a vertical, numerical hierarchy to construct a WR room. It is about roles that are needed in an offense.

Agree completely with this.

Hollins is good at that particular role in this offense. If someone shows up better at it, his roster spot is at risk. Guys who do different roles who happen to be better at those roles are not a threat to Hollins' roster spot.

How about a 6’6” rookie TE with similar speed but is a more powerful blocker?

I like Hollins, think he’s a good locker room guy, but his contract and age is a factor.

Camp competition, rookie development and who they trade for AJ Brown will clear a lot of this up.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Agree completely with this.

How about a 6’6” rookie TE with similar speed but is a more powerful blocker?

I like Hollins, think he’s a good locker room guy, but his contract and age is a factor.

Camp competition, rookie development and who they trade for AJ Brown will clear a lot of this up.

This is right. Spots are up for grabs. Doubs and Williams are locks today. If AJ is acquired, he is a lock. Boutte may be on the trade block??? I hope not, but he is in a contract year, but there is always the fallout of a comp pick. Boutte will have to be our #2 dominant WR to get a contract from us. I don't see that happening. Three spots may be wide open and we will have a ton of WRs in camp. Let them fight. Its not about loyalty. Its about fielding the best team.

 

[Joey007]

So what. Only 8.9% of 5th round picks make it to a second contract. If you are suggesting its a valuable round, you are just wrong.

No, genius. I am saying 5th rounders are rarely cut before the start of their rookie season. It’s definitely a surprise to see one cut.

If you can’t see the space between those two scenarios, I can’t help you.

 

[rkarp1]

I do believe if he is here, Brown, Doubs and Hollins are the top 3 WR's
I also assume Boutte would be traded in that scenario
Pop would be #4 and Williams #5 if we are ranking numerically.
If Chism or Dixon or Webb show something over the summer, they could start with 6 on the 53. but I assume they would be PS if everyone is healthy

 

[imahobgoblin]

No, genius. I am saying 5th rounders are rarely cut before the start of their rookie season. It’s definitely a surprise to see one cut.

If you can’t see the space between those two scenarios, I can’t help you.

No problem, ignoramus who thinks cutting a 5th rounder is the equivalent of a 1st and just simply a filthy thing to do showing how horrible our franchise is for cutting Swinson who could not break into a depleted roster at the pass rush.