Patriots Rumor OT: Maxx Crosby wants to play for Mike Vrabel UPDATE: Breer expects him to be traded this week with the Pats a favorite

[Rob0729]

No, he isn't running the franchise. He has a lot of control, but he is far too busy to be running a franchise.

A trade this big will likely have to have buy in from ownership. And Mark Davis is too busy with his 25 year old girlfriend who fell in love with him before she realized she was a billionaire to be making these decisions. So odds are he would defer to Brady on this. And who wants a guy who looks like Davis who thinks that a hot 25 year old would be interested in him without knowing he is loaded making big football decisions for the team?

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I don't like giving up the #1.

It means we pick towards the end of the second round.

I think you address it in the draft, and sign a mid contract guy like the FAs they signed last year

I actually think Khalil Mack still has tread on the tires

 

[UGAPatsfan]

No, he isn't running the franchise. He has a lot of control, but he is far too busy to be running a franchise.

A trade this big will likely have to have buy in from ownership. And Mark Davis is too busy with his 25 year old girlfriend who fell in love with him before she realized she was a billionaire to be making these decisions. So odds are he would defer to Brady on this. And who wants a guy who looks like Davis who thinks that a hot 25 year old would be interested in him without knowing he is loaded making big football decisions for the team?

Ahhh the delusion of rich old guys.

Reminds me of when Kraft said he thought the Orchids “masseuse” and he formed a “genuine connection “

 

[upstater1]

Ahhh the delusion of rich old guys.

Reminds me of when Kraft said he thought the Orchids “masseuse” and he formed a “genuine connection “

Whatever happened to the actress who he bankrolled a movie for? I was pretty worried he'd start dumping $200m on Hallmark movies for a woman who makes Winona Ryder look like Meryl Streep.

 

[Family]

Against what?
Pretty sure they are in the RED

They can easily free up a lot to not be a current problem, and they're loaded with picks.

Any deal will likely be cap friendly this year anyway.

You know them.

 

[Triumph]

Brady is going to fleece Wolf.

 

[Triumph]

Draft a Pass Rusher and have him on a Rookie deal for a few years.

 

[Rob0729]

Brady is going to fleece Wolf.

Brady doesn't negotiate deals. John Spytek would be the one negotiating deals. He is the guy who traded for Geno Smith to become the starting QB for the Raiders.

And Wolf has never really been fleeced in a trade deal of any significance.

 

[PatsFan2]

Draft a Pass Rusher and have him on a Rookie deal for a few years.

I think ^ that will be the order of the day in the end. We can only have so many high salary players on the Books with Gonzo and Maye looming on the horizon.

 

[TommyD4207]

I’d be fine with #31. You aren’t finding a better player there than Crosby.

But wouldn’t do more than that.

This is probably fair, and honestly, even 31 seems like a little much, considering the price hit you'd be taking from drafting someone at 31.

I dunno, these 30-somethings coming off injuries make me nervous at that position. Look at Joey Bosa. Went off the juice for a year to have a healthy season, and the Bills wasted 30-whatever million on him to give you Anfrenee Jennings production.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

The 31st pick in the draft for a guy who’s an elite DE for hopefully the next 5 years isn’t a gamble for a team that just made it to the Super Bowl . It’s an investment in trying to make it back and actually win it.

This team needs to solidify the trenches. Become scary

 

[Ring 6]

My understanding is that his $30M salary this year is already guaranteed. It's his $29M salary next year that becomes fully guaranteed if he's on the team March 13th.

Let's just ignore the per game incentives since they're under $1M each year.

The way I see it is you'd add him his year and convert his $30M salary to signing bonus that gets spread through 2029 (4 years). So you pay him $30M, he counts on the cap for $7.5M.

In 2027, you convert his $29M salary to signing bonus that gets spread out through 2029 (3 years) again. So he counts $17.2M on the cap ($7.5M of his 2026 comp pro ration + $9.7M for this new 2027 pro ration).

In 2028, he'd have no more guarantees left but due for $26.5M salary. The cap hit would be that plus $7.5M of pro ration for 2026 comp and $9.7M of his 2027 comp... so $43.7M total. That's obviously high but not insane. You can convert some of that $26.5M salary to bonus too.

In 2029, you can trade/cut him with palatable dead money of $7.5M from 2026 pro ration plus $9.7M of 2027 pro ration ($17.2M total) plus anything you pushed back in 2028.

So all in all, I see it as us acquiring him for 3 years (2026-2028) and $85.5M with $17.2M of that cap hit being deferred to 2029. And then add in the <$1M per year in incentives and possibly pushing more money into 2029 depending on how they approach 2028.

Obviously you have to make the right go for it moves around it because that is definitely building with some degree of short term window, but I think it's palatable.

Not a fan of hurting the future like that. You would be paying him 60 mill for year 3, and 4 while getting 1 year out of him and paying 17 mill for nothing in year 4.

 

[Ring 6]

Khalil Mack, AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Micah Parsons, Stefon Diggs to Buffalo, D'Andre Hopkins (at least for one year)

Some of them didn't get their money until they got to their new team and/or were only elite for a couple of years (or less with Hopkins)

Did you read my post? Brown was in his rookie contract.
I can’t imagine anyone thinks Chicago did well giving up what they did fur Mack and winning nothing.
Miami won nothing with hill and are now eating cap.
Parsons has worked out well? How?
Diggs? They won nothing and dumped him, eating a huge hit.
Hopkins? He has 3 catches in 3 playoff games since leaving Houston.

What’s your definition of working out? Mine is winning. If screwing up your team to gave shiny piece to lose with is working out you might have an argument.

 

[Ring 6]

How are you so sure?

Because he is a minority owner and a full time broadcaster.
What makes you doubt it?

 

[Ring 6]

I saw on the screen at the gym that Jerry Jones wants to go/spend big on defense this year.

Seriously we're going to be able to compete against that?

Competing against Jerry jones has been a profitable venture for a long time

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Not a fan of hurting the future like that. You would be paying him 60 mill for year 3, and 4 while getting 1 year out of him and paying 17 mill for nothing in year 4.

Not sure I follow. You pay him $30M in year 1 (2026), $29M in year 2 (2027), $26.5M in year three (2028) (plus the < $1M/year roster bonus incentives). That's what he actually makes. $17M of it just gets deferred to year 4 (2029) for cap management.

I don't think 3 years and a shade under $30M/year is an outrageous price for the age 29/30/31 seasons of one of the best players in the game at a premium position like EDGE. His cap numbers for years 1 and 2 would be about $9.7M and then $17.2M in the scenario I outlined so if you wanted to push out less dead money to year 4, you can do that. With how unused cap space rolls over though you can just free up the cap and then carry it forward to cover the dead money anyway though, that way you have it if you do need it.

I do think for that to make sense they have to stack it on top of other win now moves. It only makes sense to do something like that if it's part of a cohesive plan to go for it now.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure I follow. You pay him $30M in year 1 (2026), $29M in year 2 (2027), $26.5M in year three (2028) (plus the < $1M/year roster bonus incentives). That's what he actually makes. $17M of it just gets deferred to year 4 (2029) for cap management.

I don't think 3 years and a shade under $30M/year is an outrageous price for the age 29/30/31 seasons of one of the best players in the game at a premium position like EDGE. His cap numbers for years 1 and 2 would be about $9.7M and then $17.2M in the scenario I outlined so if you wanted to push out less dead money to year 4, you can do that. With how unused cap space rolls over though you can just free up the cap and then carry it forward to cover the dead money anyway though, that way you have it if you do need it.

I do think for that to make sense they have to stack it on top of other win now moves. It only makes sense to do something like that if it's part of a cohesive plan to go for it now.

You are mortgage the future. In order to fit him in for 26 and 27 you’ve committed at least 60 mill more to have him for 28 (and almost 90 to have him for both 28 and 29)
We walk into 28 obligated for 60 to have him 1 year or 90 to have him 2. Unless you tell me we win the next 2 SBs Im not good with cap hell.

 

[Rob0729]

Did you read my post? Brown was in his rookie contract.
I can’t imagine anyone thinks Chicago did well giving up what they did fur Mack and winning nothing.
Miami won nothing with hill and are now eating cap.
Parsons has worked out well? How?
Diggs? They won nothing and dumped him, eating a huge hit.
Hopkins? He has 3 catches in 3 playoff games since leaving Houston.

What’s your definition of working out? Mine is winning. If screwing up your team to gave shiny piece to lose with is working out you might have an argument.

Brown was immediately given a top of the market contract after he was traded. And the Eagles won a Super Bowl with him.
Mack was a good trade. It wasn't Mack's fault the Bears decided to draft Trubisky over Mahomes.
The Dolphins had Mike McDaniel as head coach and no defense. Not Hill's fault.
Parsons was the Packers' defense. When he went down, the defense went from a great defense to an ok defense.
Allen didn't become an elite QB until he got Diggs and Diggs put up elite numbers four of the five years he was in Buffalo. The Bills were pretty damn close to going to a Super Bowl in the 2024 season.

My measurement for success for trading for an elitely paid player is that he plays at an elite level. No DE is going to make you a Super Bowl champion. Not even Lawrence Taylor in his prime. You still need to build a complete team.

And who said trading for an elite player like Crosby will screw up your team? It depends on the team. Crosby could be a key contributor on a Super Bowl team.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Against what?
Pretty sure they are in the RED

They are currently $50M+ over. They must be under by next Wednesday.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

You are mortgage the future. In order to fit him in for 26 and 27 you’ve committed at least 60 mill more to have him for 28 (and almost 90 to have him for both 28 and 29)
We walk into 28 obligated for 60 to have him 1 year or 90 to have him 2. Unless you tell me we win the next 2 SBs Im not good with cap hell.

I feel like you're too focused on the cap numbers. The meat and potatoes of it is that he plays with you for 3 years - his age 29, 30 and 31 seasons - and you pay him $85.5M for it. You spread that $85.5M for 3 years of play over 4 years. You can divide that out how you like. I think that's a fair price to pay for him in terms of actual compensation and you can manage it over the cap however you want.

In my scenario his cap numbers on that $86.5M would be $7.5M in 2026, $17.2M in 2027, $43.7M in 2028 and then dead money of $17.2M in 2029. If you don't like the super high cap number in 2028 or the dead money in 2029 you can manage the cap differently.

Overall though I think $85.5M for Crosby's next 3 seasons is fine value though.