Cool Link QBSchool: Drake Maye Super Bowl 60 Analysis

[Thelonious]

I can't myself form make any definitive evaluation of Drake's performance in the post/late season or overall without an objective clarification as to the sort of injury he actually has. The idea that "real men" are unaffected by injury - spit on it and move on - is just horseshit.

All we know at this point is that he was never as good as he seemed to giddy fanboys during the regular season, nor is he the "bust" or sham he has been asserted to be by handwringing alarmists posting their angry dismay here during the SB. He seemed to me a very promising young qb at the start of the seasn, and that's what he seems to me to be now. That covers a pretty wide spectrum, I understand, but there is no basis for any narrower or more definitive evaluation.

I think there is a little more objective basis for concern re Campbell's eventual fit as a LT, not enough to bail on the guy - he should open as starter next year - but enough that legitimate competition/backup for the LT job should drafted or otherwise acquired this offseason. Either that or decide it's time to give him a trial at guard. If we do the latter. and I have no idea whether we should (in part because the injury certainly must have been at least a contributing cause to his late-season failings) that would likely mean we'd have either to trade for a fill-in LT (a hard to accomplish) or expend a higher draft pick - yet again - on a legit prospect for the LT job. So it goes. Obviously the quality of LT's available in this year's draft would be part of the calculus re this option.

As I look at both situations, I can't help but wonder whether the league now requires players to participate in so many competitive games that the product, both early and late in the season, is suffering, as is the players' health. I don't know what the players' union does these days - if anything - but they really should get on that issue, it seems to me, in the interest both of the players and of the fans.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I can't myself form make any definitive evaluation of Drake's performance in the post/late season or overall without an objective clarification as to the sort of injury he actually has. The idea that "real men" are unaffected by injury - spit on it and move on - is just horseshit.

All we know at this point is that he was never as good as he seemed to giddy fanboys during the regular season, nor is he the "bust" or sham he has been asserted to be by handwringing alarmists posting their angry dismay here during the SB. He seemed to me a very promising young qb at the start of the seasn, and that's what he seems to me to be now. That covers a pretty wide spectrum, I understand, but there is no basis for any narrower or more definitive evaluation.

I think there is a little more objective basis for concern re Campbell's eventual fit as a LT, not enough to bail on the guy - he should open as starter next year - but enough that legitimate competition/backup for the LT job should drafted or otherwise acquired this offseason. Either that or decide it's time to give him a trial at guard. If we do the latter. and I have no idea whether we should (in part because the injury certainly must have been at least a contributing cause to his late-season failings) that would likely mean we'd have either to trade for a fill-in LT (a hard to accomplish) or expend a higher draft pick - yet again - on a legit prospect for the LT job. So it goes. Obviously the quality of LT's available in this year's draft would be part of the calculus re this option.

As I look at both situations, I can't help but wonder whether the league now requires players to participate in so many competitive games that the product, both early and late in the season, is suffering, as is the players' health. I don't know what the players' union does these days - if anything - but they really should get on that issue, it seems to me, in the interest both of the players and of the fans.

And yet the NFL is deadass considering an 18 game schedule.

I hate it.

Product will suffer, key players will be regularly injured, teams won’t have enough depth to make full seasons.

Just hate it.

If anything, go back to 16.

 

[KCSVEN]

Drake Maye now holds the worst statistical playoff run of any QB this century (min 3 GP):

He also faced the toughest run of defenses of all time. I watched the tape, watched every throw, have little doubt about Drake Maye being a top 3 NFL QB going forward. He starts limiting TO's and ever gets just 1 big time play maker he'll have a hall of fame career.

 

[upstater1]

Dr. Chao this morning says it's an AC joint.

I remember watching QBs suffer from this problem in the shoulders and it is never ever good.

It happened to John Elway right before a Broncos Super Bowl disaster. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

Happened to Bledsoe and it was ugly

Heck, I remember when it happened to Tony Eason.

That joint is critical to throwing a football

The good thing is you can recover from this injury without surgery. The sprain needs to heal. BUT you are more susceptible to the injury recurring if you keep taking bad hits on the shoulder.

 

[Hyped]

the biggest what if of the dynasty. the 2008 team had an incredibly easy schedule and brought back most of the 2007 team. Brady would have had another year with Moss and Welker. we know what the Pats routinely did to PIT. Pats had SD’s number. weakest IND team from 2003-2009. and in the NFC, ARZ was not a good team

I’ve always thought the 2008 Pats with Brady go 15-1 (loss in the wildcat game) and win the SB. Brady has 4,500-4800 yards and 40-45 touchdowns. wins MVP, probably unanimously since that was the worst MVP year I can ever remember since I started watching

I also believed that we could have won it with Cassel if Favre didn’t hit Keller on 3rd and long in OT….

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Dr. Chao this morning says it's an AC joint.

I remember watching QBs suffer from this problem in the shoulders and it is never ever good.

It happened to John Elway right before a Broncos Super Bowl disaster. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

Happened to Bledsoe and it was ugly

Heck, I remember when it happened to Tony Eason.

That joint is critical to throwing a football

The good thing is you can recover from this injury without surgery. The sprain needs to heal. BUT you are more susceptible to the injury recurring if you keep taking bad hits on the shoulder.

I wonder if that’s similar to the injury Jimmy G suffered against Miami that caused him to miss the last 2 1/2 games of Brady’s suspension?

 

[NFL Mystique]

I also believed that we could have won it with Cassel if Favre didn’t hit Keller on 3rd and long in OT….

The league was weak af in 2008. A healthy Brady gets them the one seed. And while they are not as dominant, probably get back to the SB. No guarantees of course. But Brady owned Pittsburgh, Chargers, and Colts were weak.

 

[NFL Mystique]

 

[TheRainMaker]

I watched a couple other videos and some of this one and then made myself stop. Maye had a really, really bad game. There’s nothing else for me to learn. On to FA and the draft I guess.

Finished it last night after taking breaks. It was tough to watch.

Seahawks defense was just superior to the Pats offense flat out. What really bothers me is Nwosu, who's not known as a power rusher, completely manhandles Campbell on the very first play. It pretty much never ended no matter who lined up against Campbell. The rare blocks Campbell held up, someone else completely melted down. Others that stood out in a negative way were mostly Wilson and Moses.

O' Sullivan pointed out something I haven't noticed that "all C's think they are Jason Kelce". I had to keep watching to see what he meant. For anyone that doesn't know, Kelce was known for getting cute blocking downfield on passing plays. Had Bradberry just blocked normally, the play wouldn't have gotten blown up.

It seems as though O'Sullivan blames the scheme (McDaniels) as Drake didn't have the ability to counter any looks at the LOS. Players on offense just weren't on the same page and had Madden IQ.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I also believed that we could have won it with Cassel if Favre didn’t hit Keller on 3rd and long in OT….

The league was weak af in 2008. A healthy Brady gets them the one seed. And while they are not as dominant, probably get back to the SB. No guarantees of course. But Brady owned Pittsburgh, Chargers, and Colts were weak.

We saw a preview of this in 2007, but do the Pats get passed Baltimore in 2008 with or without Brady?

With Cassel, they would've drawn Baltimore in the Wild Card. I don't think they beat Baltimore.

With Brady, they get the #2 seed and easily take care of Pittsburgh in the divisional round. They end up meeting Baltimore in the AFCCG. It still would be a really tough game as we found out in 2009.

 

[NFL Mystique]

We saw a preview of this in 2007, but do the Pats get passed Baltimore in 2008 with or without Brady?

With Cassel, they would've drawn Baltimore in the Wild Card. I don't think they beat Baltimore.

With Brady, they get the #2 seed and easily take care of Pittsburgh in the divisional round. They end up meeting Baltimore in the AFCCG. It still would be a really tough game as we found out in 2009.

They never lose the Chargers, Colts, Jets game with Brady imo. Maybe they get the second seed.

Baltimore would have been tough for sure.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Finished it last night after taking breaks. It was tough to watch.

Seahawks defense was just superior to the Pats offense flat out. What really bothers me is Nwosu, who's not known as a power rusher, completely manhandles Campbell on the very first play. It pretty much never ended no matter who lined up against Campbell. The rare blocks Campbell held up, someone else completely melted down. Others that stood out in a negative way were mostly Wilson and Moses.

O' Sullivan pointed out something I haven't noticed that "all C's think they are Jason Kelce". I had to keep watching to see what he meant. For anyone that doesn't know, Kelce was known for getting cute blocking downfield on passing plays. Had Bradberry just blocked normally, the play wouldn't have gotten blown up.

It seems as though O'Sullivan blames the scheme (McDaniels) as Drake didn't have the ability to counter any looks at the LOS. Players on offense just weren't on the same page and had Madden IQ.

Plenty have blamed him. Plenty have not.

My issue is they did not try any sort of trickery, max protection etc. It probably doesn't affect the outcome. But you are a highly paid OC getting paid big money. Do something!!!

He had that dumbfounded look on his face like he did in SB 42 and Denver 2015.

 

[jal]

Plenty have blamed him. Plenty have not.

My issue is they did not try any sort of trickery, max protection etc. It probably doesn't affect the outcome. But you are a highly paid OC getting paid big money. Do something!!!

He had that dumbfounded look on his face like he did in SB 42 and Denver 2015.

We've seen historically great offenses get manhandled when the offensive line is being overrun (from 2007 Pats to 2013 Broncos to 2020 Chiefs). There isn't a playcall that magically makes your guys able to block their guys. You can do quick game but if the defense knows that's all you have they will sit on those routes.

Football is ultimately a simple game as far as the line of scrimmage is concerned. If you dominate them then it doesn't matter what play you run everything will work. If they dominate you, nothing you do will work - you cannot run or pass. It's only when there's a reasonable balance of you winning and them winning that tactics really come into play (most games are played within this reasonable margin).

 

[NFL Mystique]

We've seen historically great offenses get manhandled when the offensive line is being overrun (from 2007 Pats to 2013 Broncos to 2020 Chiefs). There isn't a playcall that magically makes your guys able to block their guys. You can do quick game but if the defense knows that's all you have they will sit on those routes.

Football is ultimately a simple game as far as the line of scrimmage is concerned. If you dominate them then it doesn't matter what play you run everything will work. If they dominate you, nothing you do will work - you cannot run or pass. It's only when there's a reasonable balance of you winning and them winning that tactics really come into play (most games are played within this reasonable margin).

Idk. I had concerns about him without Brady. And he did good with Maye. Overall, adjusting to great defenses without Brady has never been a thing with him.

From what I've seen.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Plenty have blamed him. Plenty have not.

My issue is they did not try any sort of trickery, max protection etc. It probably doesn't affect the outcome. But you are a highly paid OC getting paid big money. Do something!!!

He had that dumbfounded look on his face like he did in SB 42 and Denver 2015.

McDaniels has had this issue his entire career even with Brady. The 2007 Giants was the only game he had Mike Martz syndrome running whatever offense he wanted no matter what defense was thrown his way. He was completely thrown off by Spagnolo blitzing guys who didn't blitz the entire season (Kawika Mitchell). Giants were overly aggressive with a suspect 2nd and 3rd level of the defense, yet McDaniels kept going for long passing plays.

Since then, when there's a few injuries or facing a hyped up defense, he goes extremely conservative like he did in 2015. He played way too scared against Baltimore in 2012.

McDaniels is only as good as the players he has at his disposal. I'm not a fan of trickery or razzle dazzle as it tells the defense you can't beat them straight up. However, moving the pockets or creative blocking schemes was something that was sorely missed after Weiss left.

I'm not a fan of McDaniels as he's a product of Brady, but we didn't have any better alternatives.

 

[Hyped]

We saw a preview of this in 2007, but do the Pats get passed Baltimore in 2008 with or without Brady?

With Cassel, they would've drawn Baltimore in the Wild Card. I don't think they beat Baltimore.

With Brady, they get the #2 seed and easily take care of Pittsburgh in the divisional round. They end up meeting Baltimore in the AFCCG. It still would be a really tough game as we found out in 2009.

The 2009 team was vastly worse than the 2008 team, IMO. I mean they didn’t have Seymour. Welker gets hurt in Houston just before the playoffs and AFTER Belichick says “roll coverage to Moss, bracket Welker, and we are done!”. In that playoff game vs. the Ravens…the one where Ray Rice opens the game with a long TD…I remember us targeting Sam Aiken out of desperation.

I think we take the Ravens in 2008.

 

[ALP]

The OL was crap, but I think Maye was actually worse.

If he protects the ball better (no fumble on a weak hit in the pocket, doesn’t throw a horrendous long INT, and takes the obvious sack in the pick 6) we actually have a game, even with how badly we were playing on offense

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Gotta give credit to Seattle. One of the lowest percentage blitzing teams, they changed it up caughtNE off guard with the blitzes that came early and often. Frustrating NE didn’t or couldn’t adjust, Josh was out coached.

I agree. Vrabel, Josh, and Marrone were out coached.

 

[ahmed]

Maye was bad all playoffs. So this talk of injury is nonsense.

Maye has a lot to work on and his biggest weakness, IMO, reared its head. Maye does not seem to handle pressure, rushing and the situation/game's importance, anywhere as well as he should. showed up many times last year and a couple times this year but not many such opps.

Beyond that, he needs to work on pocket presence, release ball much faster, read defenses and adjust better, improve short game and taking checkdowns and throwing ball away.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Maye was bad all playoffs. So this talk of injury is nonsense.

Maye has a lot to work on and his biggest weakness, IMO, reared its head. Maye does not seem to handle pressure, rushing and the situation/game's importance, anywhere as well as he should. showed up many times last year and a couple times this year but not many such opps.

Beyond that, he needs to work on pocket presence, release ball much faster, read defenses and adjust better, improve short game and taking checkdowns and throwing ball away.

Handling pressure...literally and figuratively, is a must to be a top notch QB. I agree with bolded.

He can either be Herbert (good stats but not a guy capable of being top echelon). Or, in that Allen group (Not perfect. But certainly elite and capable of winning a SB).

He will never be a Mahomes type QB. Not many guys are.