PostGame Thread 2025 OFFICIAL POSTGAME THREAD: Patriots fall 29-13 to the Seahawks

[lancerman]

Also want to add that you have this video on a timestamp about 1/3 in. People should watch from the start. He goes over the blitzes and shows wide open guys that Maye should have thrown to to beat the blitz.

Maye turned into Rob Johnson.

Maye was a big problem on his own last night. No point in trying to pin it on others to absolve his faults. Maye had short throws and decided to hold onto the ball for the big play even knowing he wasn't going to have much time. Even when he did have time, he was holding the ball more than you could reasonable ask for.

He wasn't the only issue, but he was an issue and one of the big ones.

 

[VrabelJr]

Not that anybody cares, but here's my contribution to this thread: You and your ilk are a bunch of assholes with worse executive function than my kindergartner. When Maye is lighting teams up again next year, I don't want to hear a peep of you.

It’s two separate matters. Maye had a bad game. He still has a bright future. He won’t be bringing home Lombardi’s unless he learns how to defeat simple disguises and take the easy completions.

 

[KCSVEN]

Well, just finished the Drake Maye review on ALL-22. Just to halftime. So far, not at all on Drake. They had 15 pass plays in first half vs 38 in second. I know it gets worse but I was shocked how little Drake was responsible in the first half. Maybe 1 throw to Hollins out of end zone but I think he thought Hollins would turn and stop since that was the leverage on the safety, but Hollins turned it in. Will dive into the 2nd half, where he gets turnover crazy, next.

Maybe on the PA bootleg while stiff arming a guy he could have tried to hit TE short instead of throwaway, maybe. That's it though, those 2 maybe plays deep min own end maybe he a little blame.

 

[VrabelJr]

Well, just finished the Drake Maye review on ALL-22. Just to halftime. So far, not at all on Drake. They had 15 pass plays in first half vs 38 in second. I know it gets worse but I was shocked how little Drake was responsible in the first half. Maybe 1 throw to Hollins out of end zone but I think he thought Hollins would turn and stop since that was the leverage on the safety, but Hollins turned it in. Will dive into the 2nd half, where he gets turnover crazy, next.

Maybe on the PA bootleg while stiff arming a guy he could have tried to hit TE short instead of throwaway, maybe. That's it though, those 2 maybe plays deep min own end maybe he a little blame.

Your analysis runs completely opposite of almost everything I’ve seen online today. You might be looking at outcomes too closely rather than decision making.

 

[stelfans]

Well, just finished the Drake Maye review on ALL-22. Just to halftime. So far, not at all on Drake. They had 15 pass plays in first half vs 38 in second. I know it gets worse but I was shocked how little Drake was responsible in the first half. Maybe 1 throw to Hollins out of end zone but I think he thought Hollins would turn and stop since that was the leverage on the safety, but Hollins turned it in. Will dive into the 2nd half, where he gets turnover crazy, next.

Maybe on the PA bootleg while stiff arming a guy he could have tried to hit TE short instead of throwaway, maybe. That's it though, those 2 maybe plays deep min own end maybe he a little blame.

I havent gone through all those plays like you did but that PA bootleg wasn’t a maybe. He definitely could’ve should’ve passed to the TE. I’m gonna be positive and pin that on his bad shoulder.

 

[Sfpat]

So Witherspoon said the Pat's OL was tipping plays and JMD said he didn't expect the Hawks to blitz (amazing since every team blitzed the Pats). Seems there was a failure in Pat's offensive coaching.

 

[upstater1]

And people complain about Bad Bunny:

 

[ViperGTS]

Your analysis runs completely opposite of almost everything I’ve seen online today. You might be looking at outcomes too closely rather than decision making.

Agreed. Tape don't lie and what he posted is contrary to what I saw.

 

[KCSVEN]

Second half Drake review complete. Was definitely worse than first half. However, not discouraging as I would have thought. Drake is clearly still the guy even in a bad game. While there were zero definitively bad plays by him in the first half (2 were questionable) the second half had 8 bad/questionable. Reviewing some plays below:

-The first drive was the roughest but the missed offside on the punt would have made it all moot. The DD back shoulder was a good throw, DD was looking back early and never adjusted. He did have back in the flat for short gain but DD should have played it better. Still counted as 1 of the 8.

-Back shoulder Boutte was not there but nothing else was open either.

-Made great pocket movement and then shorted the throw as DD came clear of the DB. This is one play of the 3 he missed and would like back. Again, Punt was offsides and not called. No breaks.

-Started drive 2 with sack, yeah Diggs came open late to right and had hand up but read was left then middle and then he was trying to bail pocket. Maybe he waits a long time in the pocket and maybe he gets Diggs before sacked, maybe.

-Free blitzer but gets rid of it to Boutte, too fast and a little wide and thru Boutte hands, needs a better throw

-Free blitzer fumble to TD

-Missed Hooper out of EZ, just overthrew, was trying to get it over DB but too far. This and DD miss were the two bad misses.

-Jump ball to middle to Hollins should have been PI or illegal contact, just as Drake was releasing the DB hit Hollins and he stumbled, I think Drake saw that as he threw and took something off it because Hollins may have got open deep otherwise. Hollins almost caught it, almost picked BUT 100% a penalty not called on defense.

-Bad pick on Williams deep ball, he clearly thought Williams would sit down in the zone and come back for the ball in front of defender, Williams kept running easy pick, bad decision.


Definitively bad plays: Sack and fumble, Fumble TD, Pick to Williams, Missing DD and Hooper open then had 3 additional questionable plays. Way too many bad plays against that defense and to win a SB. Seattle defense had a lot to do with it.

BTW I thought the Denver game was the worst game I ever saw him play in college or pros. This was not that.

FYI 7 times they had a free blitzer to the QB. 3 Others were non blitz immediate pressure.

 

[KCSVEN]

Your analysis runs completely opposite of almost everything I’ve seen online today. You might be looking at outcomes too closely rather than decision making.

Honestly, I'm not, I expected it to be bad, again second half is worse but first half by Drake just wasn't on him minus 2 maybe plays.

 

[KCSVEN]

I havent gone through all those plays like you did but that PA bootleg wasn’t a maybe. He definitely could’ve should’ve passed to the TE. I’m gonna be positive and pin that on his bad shoulder.

I watched that a few times, yeah wasn't accurate but he's stiff arming, jumping away from the guy trying to avoid a sack at his own 10 right before half. The defend is grabbing his left hand/arm.

You want him to make that play but also not designed for you to be under that much pressure, only his athleticism avoided a quick sack. Most other QB's are sacked there but yeah, fair to expect Drake to be able to complete that and make it 3rd and short.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah I am 180 out on the line being the main issue. The main issue was Maye. He takes most of the blame for the bad offense after seeing the tape. FFS that was some bad, bad tape.

I don't see how Vrabel and Co can not light into him for that. So it wasn't on McD for the most part either. We had it all wrong for almost 24 hours.

If you look at a play on hindsight and watch all 5 receivers and make up what the progressions should be that’s not reality. Thats largely what your video did.

 

[Ring 6]

Let's me guess it's the Receivers Fault??

It’s the whole team

 

[ViperGTS]

If you look at a play on hindsight and watch all 5 receivers and make up what the progressions should be that’s not reality. Thats largely what your video did.

Thats literally what the video is about rofl. What his reads needed to be.

 

[Froob]

what stage of grief is this

 

[Triumph]

Campbell cannot remain at LT.

 

[SVN]

I was just watching the last drive of superbowl 36 as it came across my youtube feed. As Madden said then - "sometimes in a superbowl you have to let it all hang out and charlie weiss and the patriots are letting it all out " .I felt yesterday, we didnt try much at all and very risk averse until it was 19 -0.

 

[Ross12]

I watched that a few times, yeah wasn't accurate but he's stiff arming, jumping away from the guy trying to avoid a sack at his own 10 right before half. The defend is grabbing his left hand/arm.

You want him to make that play but also not designed for you to be under that much pressure, only his athleticism avoided a quick sack. Most other QB's are sacked there but yeah, fair to expect Drake to be able to complete that and make it 3rd and short.

QB School broke it down well. Basically when he hit the point where he was supposed to throw it and could have, Henry was blanketed, so a moment later he threw it away and the defender vacated off Henry almost immediately beforehand. So in hindsight it “looks” like Maye missed a wide open guy but in reality Henry was very covered up until the moment Maye threw it away. I’m not gonna kill the kid for actually throwing the god damn ball away for once.

 

[Ross12]

Devon Witherspoon: Patriots' offensive linemen had a tell, Seahawks knew what was coming

Witherspoon says Seattle had a defensive game plan that was ready for New England's offense.

www.nbcsports.com

Surprised so few people are talking about this. Very bad look for Marrone and McDaniels.

 

[Real fan 02]

I hate seeing Campbell get overpowered bullrushed backwards into his QB. I don't know if that's technique or a strength problem that he needs to start working on fixing right now on day 1 of the offseason.

If you looked at Campbell pre Injury he was knocking DEs backwards and playing with force... He returned to prematurely from Injury.. if Vrabel were being honest like I know he is.. he would would say maybe I'd keep Will on IR and let him make a full recovery and be ready for the off season program. Lowe was playing well and should have been playing instead at least he was healthy.