MVP thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Maye isn’t winning MVP. Allen won last year for the opposite reason, voters feeling he was overdue and Jackson having 3 to Allen’s 0 would be comical.

Maye was the best player in the NFL this year. We’re used this whole thing by now. All Pro 2nd team is an incredible achievement at that position. Allen only has one 2nd team all pro selection. Mahomes is only a 3x all pro.

I’ve always thought all pro shouldn’t have 1st and 2nd teams given how elite you need to be to get on one, and the slim and random margins between the teams like in this case. At least with QBs you have to be so great to be in the top 2.

 

[Kdo5]

Stafford is deserving although I personally felt that game against the Falcons should’ve lost him the MVP. Maye never had close to as bad of a game.

 

[Guts]

Stafford is deserving although I personally felt that game against the Falcons should’ve lost him the MVP. Maye never had close to as bad of a game.

Steelers game was pretty bad

 

[Uptown]

Steelers game was pretty bad

I hope we get to play them again..

 

[lancerman]

There’s exactly one time a QB had over 45 TD’s and didn’t win MVP. It was Drew Brees and he didn’t get it because Aaron Rodgers broke the passer rating record with a stupid 120+ rating. Realistically a playoff QB with that many TD’s and volume is going to win most of the time. When you need to go into advanced stats, it’s a tougher climb

 

[lancerman]

Steelers game was pretty bad

Maye hasn’t had outright stinkers, but he also had some underwhelming games like the entire second half of the Bills game where the offense did nothing and opened the door for a huge comeback.

The Falcons for Stafford game was the worst game either of the two had, but Stafford also bounced back real fast.

What probably hurts Maye the most is our schedule. Not in the way you think. The Jets and Dolphins getting rolled at the end of the year meant we took Maye out early and didn’t pad things for him. If the Jets even scored a little, we might be talking about a historic all timer type game.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

There’s exactly one time a QB had over 45 TD’s and didn’t win MVP. It was Drew Brees and he didn’t get it because Aaron Rodgers broke the passer rating record with a stupid 120+ rating. Realistically a playoff QB with that many TD’s and volume is going to win most of the time. When you need to go into advanced stats, it’s a tougher climb

This is true, however Lamar lead Allen in all traditional stats last year and played much tougher opposition.
the "Lamar fatigue" was real, and voters wanted to give it to a different guy.
Voters vote how they want, damn the relevant data.

 

[festy1986]

These people would have given it to Stafford regardless if Maye beat buffalo last month.

The 5th seed over the 1 seed with a 13 game winning streak.

 

[Guts]

This is true, however Lamar lead Allen in all traditional stats last year and played much tougher opposition.
the "Lamar fatigue" was real, and voters wanted to give it to a different guy.
Voters vote how they want, damn the relevant data.

which is ******ed and they should get new voters then

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

which is ******ed and they should get new voters then

Don't disagree, however they are people with opinions and bias just like the rest of us.
You would certainly hope that if voting honour is bestowed upon you that you should be 100% objective, but that isn't and will never be the case.
I wonder who the winner would be if an objective model was built with all relevant data input into a algorithm.
AI might be killing the world, but maybe it will be the way of the future for NFL awards.......some day.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tom Brady's take that Maye has years to win it is total ********. The award should go to the Most Valuable Player, not the

They both had great seasons. Not gonna argue with 46 tds to 8 ints and 4700 yards. Especially when it’s a vet with 17 years on his belt.

What Maye did was historic on it own merit, helping to take a team from the bottom of the barrel to king of the mountain. One of the highest completion percentage’s ever, using his legs to get move the chains. Super happy with his development in just year 2.

Not going to concede the MVP to the all pro first team just yet. Great chance Stafford wins because of that but they may take into account the incredible turnaround and flip it over to Maye for MVP.

Either way, both players are obviously worthy. Sure would be something if these two teams met in the superbowl to settle the score.

Taking the most talented team in football to the 5th seed in the NFC is not MVP worthy. They should give him OPOY, but he sure as hell isn't an MVP.

 

[Guts]

Tom Brady's take that Maye has years to win it is total ********. The award should go to the Most Valuable Player, not the


Taking the most talented team in football to the 5th seed in the NFC is not MVP worthy. They should give him OPOY, but he sure as hell isn't an MVP.

good thing Tom isnt a voter lol
hes friends with Stafford too they workout in Montana in the offseason

 

[NFL Mystique]

Tom Brady's take that Maye has years to win it is total ********. The award should go to the Most Valuable Player, not the


Taking the most talented team in football to the 5th seed in the NFC is not MVP worthy. They should give him OPOY, but he sure as hell isn't an MVP.

I didn't like that. It SHOULD have nothing to do with the past or projecting the future. It's this season only. If Brady got into stats etc and chose Stafford, I could respect that opinion.

 

[Uptown]

 

[DC Patriots]

I think that was relevant last year where there wasn’t really a statistically valid argument for Allen over Lamar.

Stafford, right or wrong, is the sentimental choice for anyone not in New England. Drakes case for MVP was that he statistically was far better than Stafford in everything other than TDs.

Hope I’m wrong, but this feels like grasping at straws

 

[NFL Mystique]

Maye's biggest challenge is winning a SB. NE fans won't think he is any worse if he is runner up.

 

[Uptown]

I think that was relevant last year where there wasn’t really a statistically valid argument for Allen over Lamar.

Stafford, right or wrong, is the sentimental choice for anyone not in New England. Drakes case for MVP was that he statistically was far better than Stafford in everything other than TDs.

Hope I’m wrong, but this feels like grasping at straws

Yeah…just for context. Regardless of the outcome, I (we all) just want Maye to win SB MVP.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I think that was relevant last year where there wasn’t really a statistically valid argument for Allen over Lamar.

Stafford, right or wrong, is the sentimental choice for anyone not in New England. Drakes case for MVP was that he statistically was far better than Stafford in everything other than TDs.

Hope I’m wrong, but this feels like grasping at straws

Both have stats that favour them.
Stafford in passing yards, TDs and TD/INT ratio.
Maye in everything else.
The MVP is supposed to mean most valuable, not best stats, even tho stats are generally weighed more than anything else.
if a voter was to ask this one question:
what would the outcome be if the two QBs switched teams, and who was more valuable for what the team accomplished.
Now obv I have bias, but I 100% believe the Rams would have no worse record with Maye.
I 100% believe the Pats record with Stafford would be worse.
Maye made plays to win that first Buff game that Stafford simply cannot make.
Stafford does not make those plays scrambling to the right avoiding the rush, he simply doesn't.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I sense a Stafford choke job incoming

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I sense a Stafford choke job incoming

I kinda feel a Panthers upset coming.