MVP thread

[DoubleDeluxe]

You went personal in every post.
I only taping in kind. 99% of posters aren’t like you and don’t get that kind of reply after starting it.

The only evidence of SOS ever impacting MVP voting before, is that the lower the strength of schedule the more likely you are to win MVP.
The exact opposite of the claim you made up

I made up?
I posted 3 articles past from years where they discussed who deserves the MVP, and strength of schedule and/or strength of defense played was mentioned in all of them.
You literally said it "this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up."
This most certainly is not the first time it's ever been brought up.

 

[Ring 6]

I made up?
I posted 3 articles past from years where they discussed who deserves the MVP, and strength of schedule and/or strength of defense played was mentioned in all of them.
You literally said it "this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up."
This most certainly is not the first time it's ever been brought up.

Don’t lie. This is what I said

I have never heard strength of schedule as a consideration for MVP. Are you aware of any instances where it affected who won?

Citing an article that analyzes every stat about 2 candidate and has one sentence about strength of schedule WHEN THE GUY WITH THE EASY SOS WINS is not showing it is a consideration in who wins the MVP.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Don’t lie. This is what I said




Citing an article that analyzes every stat about 2 candidate and has one sentence about strength of schedule WHEN THE GUY WITH THE EASY SOS WINS is not showing it is a consideration in who wins the MVP.

Don't lie?
This is exactly what you said:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

Those are your words.

So you lie and say you didn't say things you did, and then call me a liar.

Again, I won't resort to your level of personal attacks, but the proof is there for all to see.

You can run and hide all you want, doesn't change what you said.

 

[festy1986]

Don't lie?
This is exactly what you said:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

Those are your words.

So you lie and say you didn't say things you did, and then call me a liar.

Again, I won't resort to your level of personal attacks, but the proof is there for all to see.

You can run and hide all you want, doesn't change what you said.

He's gonna gaslight you all day if you let him. He's already writing a long reply why the evidence you just posed isn't what he was talking about.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

He's gonna gaslight you all day if you let him. He's already writing a long reply why the evidence you just posed isn't what he was talking about.

Oh I know. It's what he does.
Some days I let it go, others I have time and feel a little frisky, even tho I know it's a never ending circle of backtracking and BS.
Shame on me.

 

[Uptown]

Maye’s the ****in MVP..

 

[Ring 6]

Don't lie?
This is exactly what you said:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

Those are your words.

So you lie and say you didn't say things you did, and then call me a liar.

Again, I won't resort to your level of personal attacks, but the proof is there for all to see.

You can run and hide all you want, doesn't change what you said.

I copied in my exact comment.

But I stand by that one too. Show me where MVP voters have ever used SOS as a criteria. The data says the worse your SOS the more likely you are to win MVP. Thats a fact.

Your example is a guy who voted for Allen last year over Jackson when Allen faced #27 and Jackson #8

Ultimately who gives a ****.

My opinion is that no MVP voter has ever based their decision on strength of schedule. It’s never been cited as a determining factor.
You have no clue what the voters thought in past years.

But yet you turn this into a pages long back and forth trying to find obscure references to make it seem like maybe someone once might have thought about it.

What is the point. If you want to make up in your mind that MVP voters always downgraded the best MVP candidate because of SOS despite all the evidence showing otherwise go for it.

But I don’t give a **** what you think and I know I am correct. So who are you arguing with?

 

[Ring 6]

Oh I know. It's what he does.
Some days I let it go, others I have time and feel a little frisky, even tho I know it's a never ending circle of backtracking and BS.
Shame on me.

You are the muck stirrer not the innocent victim.

 

[Shed83]

Gonna give it a rest the pair of you!

Derailing the thread like a pair of children! It’s a really good thread interspersed by you two doing your best to ruin it.

 

[Malua]

He played the 2nd or 1st toughest defensive schedule (I saw both numbers reported, not sure which is correct).

Stafford played against overall toughest defences but I’m not sure that was the 1st or 2nd toughest, but Maye played against toughest pass defences.
And our schedule was weak not because we played against bad defences, it was weak because we faced really bad offences with bad QB’s

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Stafford played against overall toughest defences but I’m not sure that was the 1st or 2nd toughest, but Maye played against toughest pass defences.

I read today or yesterday Stafford faced 1st or 2nd toughest defensive schedule, (didn't check that myself).
Earlier in the year that is 100% true that Maye had played the toughest pass defense, but that was weeks ago. May still be true today, don't know.
Through 16 games Maye has played on average the 16th toughest pass defense (based on the opponents pass D ranking).
Stafford has played the 19th, so that favours Maye.
I think Maye deserves it, Stafford is playing with a better Oline and weapons.
By all measures except total TDs and yards, Maye has clearly done more with less.

 

[TommyD4207]

I read today or yesterday Stafford faced 1st or 2nd toughest defensive schedule, (didn't check that myself).
Earlier in the year that is 100% true that Maye had played the toughest pass defense, but that was weeks ago. May still be true today, don't know.
Through 16 games Maye has played on average the 16th toughest pass defense (based on the opponents pass D ranking).
Stafford has played the 19th, so that favours Maye.
I think Maye deserves it, Stafford is playing with a better Oline and weapons.
By all measures except total TDs and yards, Maye has clearly done more with less.

If you do total yards and not just passing yards, Maye's actually ahead. 400+ yards rushing to -2 or whatever Stafford has.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

If you do total yards and not just passing yards, Maye's actually ahead. 400+ yards rushing to -2 or whatever Stafford has.

You're right Tommy, my bad.
If the voters took a completely objective view and considered everything, Maye should win it.
I don't know if that will be the case tho.
Lamar should've won last year, but we all know who did.

 

[festy1986]

If you do total yards and not just passing yards, Maye's actually ahead. 400+ yards rushing to -2 or whatever Stafford has.

Maye is the MVP.

The tides turned and no amount of ******** espn filler is gonna change it.

8 more TDS on two games worth of more passing WHILE 7 of them came on the ONE yard line?

That's Peyton Manning level stat padding.

I refuse to believe you're going to find the majority of 50 voters who allegedly watch the games and can realistically say that Maye doesn't have more value.

Frankly. If value is the metric in the award that bears it's name, it's not even close.

Which isn't to say Stafford hasn't earned it. It's to say that Maye earned it more.

Who's playing better down the stretch needs to count for something.

 

[TommyD4207]

You're right Tommy, my bad.
If the voters took a completely objective view and considered everything, Maye should win it.
I don't know if that will the case tho.
Lamar should've won last year, but we all know who did.

I would have accepted Lamar. To me, Saquon should have won the MVP unanimously. He had an outrageous season.

 

[festy1986]

You're right Tommy, my bad.
If the voters took a completely objective view and considered everything, Maye should win it.
I don't know if that will the case tho.
Lamar should've won last year, but we all know who did.

It's easy to take the award from Lamar when he's already had a couple.

How you going to take it from Maye when even you've said he's earned it over Stafford.

Your argument has been that it's not a travesty if Stafford gets it. Which I doubt anyone thinks that's the case.

Obviously there's biasy here but that doesn't make us wrong either.

Maye is the MVP when he literally has every advantage minus touchdowns and that gap will almost certainly shrink further this weekend.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

It's easy to take the award from Lamar when he's already had a couple.

How you going to take it from Maye when even you've said he's earned it over Stafford.

Your argument has been that it's not a travesty if Stafford gets it. Which I doubt anyone thinks that's the case.

Obviously there's biasy here but that doesn't make us wrong either.

Maye is the MVP when he literally has every advantage minus touchdowns and that gap will almost certainly shrink further this weekend.

Based on how the award has gone, it won't be a travesty if Stafford wins it.
Do I think it will be incorrect, 100%.
The voters value things differently.
Wether we like it or not, SOS has been mentioned a lot (by people who have votes). One would certainly hope and expect the voters really dig into that, but some will just get stuck on the Patriots playing a historically easy schedule, and the Rams playing against playoff teams 56% of their games, which is the highest such % since 2003 (I think).
I think Maye should win it, but again, the award seems to be a popularity contest as much as anything else, so it won't surprise me if Stafford wins.

 

[festy1986]

Based on how the award has gone, it won't be a travesty if Stafford wins it.
Do I think it will be incorrect, 100%.
The voters value things differently.
Wether we like it or not, SOS has been mentioned a lot (by people who have votes). One would certainly hope and expect the voters really dig into that, but some will just get stuck on the Patriots playing a historically easy schedule, and the Rams playing against playoff teams 56% of their games, which is the highest such % since 2003 (I think).
I think Maye should win it, but again, the award seems to be a popularity contest as much as anything else, so it won't surprise me if Stafford wins.

Sos is being mentioned alot because it's the only way to keep the narrative going.

I'd like to see one voter who is on record saying that they made their decision based on SOS.

I doubt any of them are gonna do that.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Sos is being mentioned alot because it's the only way to keep the narrative going.

I'd like to see one voter who is on record saying that they made their decision based on SOS.

I doubt any of them are gonna do that.

The frequency of SOS being mentioned most definitely could be an attempt to drive home that narrative. And it's not surprising it's being lead by Orlovsky, who is a good friend of Stafford's.
No one is going to come out and say they made their decision on that, but Orlovsky seemed to indicate he was voting for Stafford and he was hammering on SOS (again, no surprise).
Breer mentioned SOS yesterday, but from my untrained eye it seemed he would overlook that based on everything else, and would vote for Maye. That is just a guess on my part, as Breer most certainly didn't come out and say he was votoing for Maye.

 

[patfanken]

Personally I prefer that he doesn't win it and go into the playoffs with a huge chip on his shoulder and a more important MVP to win.

But frankly by all the recent measurements, Maye definitely deserves it.

In fact, I'd rather see him lose to CMC than Stafford. Most valuable means the guy who does more with less, right? Well, Stafford has TWO HOF quality WRs, a better OL and D. And you can kill the SOS argument with the " common opponents" one.