MVP thread

[Ring 6]

Brady won his fiirst in 2007, when he was in his EIGHTH year in the league. It would be a far different situation with Maye

Brady won a SB in his second, and that is far greater in terms of pressure th as n receiving an award acknowledging you were the best.

 

[1960Pats]

I would expect nothing less than that opinion on a Pats forum.
Go check a Rams forum, I'm sure they are justifying Stafford as the MVP.
Listen and read media reports, including those that have MVP votes, it's completely up in the air.
Of course you are pointing out things that lean Maye's way.
What about Maye playing the easiest defensive schedule in the league, and Stafford playing the 2nd toughest.
I've already said I think Maye is deserving, but you are leaving out things that favour Stafford, things that will be considered.

Stafford didn't play the 2nd toughest schedule. He played the 14th toughest.

 

[PatsFan2]

So Dan Orlovsky is not only kissing Stafford's one ring but he's also Ball washing too. Conflict of interest??

 

[Ring 6]

Stafford didn't play the 2nd toughest schedule. He played the 14th toughest.

If SOS was a criteria you would see historically that most MVPs played a high strength of schedule and it would be hard to find winners with a low strength of schedule
If SOS were neutral in the last 24 years you would expect to find this amount of MVPs per schedule strength
1-4. 3
5-8. 3
9-12 3
13-16 3
17-20 3
21-24 3
25-28 3
29-32 3

If SOS were a factor you would see more at the higher end and less at the lower end. In fact the opposite is true.

1-4. 1
5-8. 4
9-12. 0
13-16. 4
17-20. 3
21-24. 2
25-28. 7
29-32. 3

So in fact playing a weak SOS gives you a better chance of winning the MVP.

15/24 played below average SOS only 9/24 played above average.
10/24 played a bottom 1/4 of the league strength of schedule and only 5/24 played a top 1/4.

This is a criteria that was made up this year as a factor. It has never influenced MVP voting.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

There are 50 voters and I know Orlovsky doesn't have one of them and I doubt very much Eisen does either. Whew, Maye dodges a bullet early.

Myself, I'm kind of ambivalent about this award so early in his career. I worry about elevated expectations it will bring at so young an age and so early in his development. There is no doubt that the QB is the most important offensive position, but football is still a game where EVERYONE's individual success is more dependent his teammates than any other team sport on every single play. I don't want to see it eventually become a burden. I kind of like the idea of the view that Maye was robbed of this award and he goes into next season "with a chip on his shoulder" rather than carry the expectations and pressure of being the "MVP" when he misses an open man.

As of last year Orlovsky definitely has a vote. Eisen doesn’t.

How they voted: Josh Allen wins AP NFL MVP award

Josh Allen beat out two-time winner Lamar Jackson for the Most Valuable Player award in the closest race since Matt Ryan beat out Tom Brady in 2016.

apnews.com

 

[Ring 6]

As of last year Orlovsky definitely has a vote. Eisen doesn’t.

How they voted: Josh Allen wins AP NFL MVP award

Josh Allen beat out two-time winner Lamar Jackson for the Most Valuable Player award in the closest race since Matt Ryan beat out Tom Brady in 2016.

apnews.com

And Orlovsky used his vote on a guy who faced the 27th ranked SOS over the guy who faced the 8th

 

[TommyD4207]

As of last year Orlovsky definitely has a vote. Eisen doesn’t.

How they voted: Josh Allen wins AP NFL MVP award

Josh Allen beat out two-time winner Lamar Jackson for the Most Valuable Player award in the closest race since Matt Ryan beat out Tom Brady in 2016.

apnews.com

Josh Allen winning MVP last year was virtually criminal.

Best QB: Lamar Jackson - almost indisputably by any metric.
Best player: Saquon Barkley. Same thing.

Somehow, Josh Allen wins the award because the Bills managed not to puke on their shoes in the regular season - Again, won nothing as per usual, but they'll always have those AFC East titles to pull them to within 10 of the Patriots, I guess.

 

[festy1986]

The fact that SOS is now dominating the conversation is proof that the voters know that Drake is the MVP.

Changing the narrative is meant to get the audience to accept what they have already ore determined to be true.

When Drake goes out there and dominates Sunday this conversation will be over.

 

[1960Pats]

If SOS was a criteria you would see historically that most MVPs played a high strength of schedule and it would be hard to find winners with a low strength of schedule
If SOS were neutral in the last 24 years you would expect to find this amount of MVPs per schedule strength
1-4. 3
5-8. 3
9-12 3
13-16 3
17-20 3
21-24 3
25-28 3
29-32 3

If SOS were a factor you would see more at the higher end and less at the lower end. In fact the opposite is true.

1-4. 1
5-8. 4
9-12. 0
13-16. 4
17-20. 3
21-24. 2
25-28. 7
29-32. 3

So in fact playing a weak SOS gives you a better chance of winning the MVP.

15/24 played below average SOS only 9/24 played above average.
10/24 played a bottom 1/4 of the league strength of schedule and only 5/24 played a top 1/4.

This is a criteria that was made up this year as a factor. It has never influenced MVP voting.

I was pointing out that Stafford didn't play the 2nd toughest schedule, as the poster suggested.

I don't really care how much of a criteria it is for MVP votes. I don't have faith in the process.

 

[sb1]

There are 50 voters and I know Orlovsky doesn't have one of them and I doubt very much Eisen does either. Whew, Maye dodges a bullet early.

Orlovsky was a voter last year- he isn’t this year?

 

[p8ryts]

I figured if a running back would ever win it again it would have been Saquon Barkley last year. When that didn't happen it just seemed to confirm the MVP as a quarterback award.

Just dawned on me. I don't remember who won the MVP last year. I'm thinking it might have been Josh Allen. The point is, it's nice and the player gets more money. I guess some people like the prestige it brings to the team.

 

[Rob0729]

 

[Lagaffe_07]

At the end of the day I prefer Drake not winning MVP and winning us a SB rather than him winning the MVP and losing in the wild card round

 

[patfanken]

As of last year Orlovsky definitely has a vote. Eisen doesn’t.

How they voted: Josh Allen wins AP NFL MVP award

Josh Allen beat out two-time winner Lamar Jackson for the Most Valuable Player award in the closest race since Matt Ryan beat out Tom Brady in 2016.

apnews.com

I'm pretty sure I heard him say earlier this month in an MVP discussion that he didn't have a vote.

I could be wrong though (am I allowed to say that? )

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Stafford didn't play the 2nd toughest schedule. He played the 14th toughest.

He played the 2nd or 1st toughest defensive schedule (I saw both numbers reported, not sure which is correct).

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

You really are a blithering idiot aren’t you.
Your “proof” is an article that analyzes both players and makes an off hand remark about strength of schedule AND THEY GUY WHO PLAYED THR EASIER SCHEDULE WON THE MVP.

Go away, you are no longer a useful idiot, you are just an annoying weirdo who can’t discuss a topic honestly.

You're proven wrong and you resort to personal attacks.
Not surprised, it's what you do and every single poster on this forum knows it.
Have a great New Years Eve.

 

[Lansdowne]

I’m seeing some Pats fans saying they don’t care about Maye winning the MVP or not, they only care about the Super Bowl. It’s not just here but I’ve heard it from others elsewhere too. I get the mindset but I don’t see as befitting of what’s in front of us.

The Brady/Belichick era spoiled us rotten. They started as plucky underdogs and created a dynasty the likes of which we’ll never see again. That era of Patriots raised the bar so high that anything less than a Lombardi trophy became a letdown. Perhaps it was a sense of entitlement, but to me, it was about chasing history with the legends steering the ship. But it was also about vindication. Every championship was a middle finger to those who out of jealousy and bitterness tried to diminish the Pats’ accomplishments. It was an F U to the people who called us cheaters, even if many of them don’t truly believe it and only say it to troll. Every victory stuck it to the assholes who cheered when our players got injured. Winning was important because, to me, it’s not right for the world to show their ugly side and get away with it. It was as much about making the haters angry as it was about making the fans happy.

It’s a different time right now. It’s not that I want this team to win it all any less, absolutely not. But I want to celebrate all the accomplishments of this team, even the small ones. And MVP is no small feat. It’s something we as fans should be proud of and want for our players. Maye winning MVP is an individual award but a team achievement. It’s forever part of his legacy as well as the team’s. Brady and Belichick may have reset the standard of what greatness looks like, but it doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the journey and the milestones that come with it. This Patriots team under Vrabel surprised just about all of us, and I’m leaving more room for them to continue surprising me. Let’s hope an MVP in the first full season for Maye is next.

 

[Ring 6]

You're proven wrong and you resort to personal attacks.
Not surprised, it's what you do and every single poster on this forum knows it.
Have a great New Years Eve.

You went personal in every post.
I only taping in kind. 99% of posters aren’t like you and don’t get that kind of reply after starting it.

The only evidence of SOS ever impacting MVP voting before, is that the lower the strength of schedule the more likely you are to win MVP.
The exact opposite of the claim you made up

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I was pointing out that Stafford didn't play the 2nd toughest schedule, as the poster suggested.

I don't really care how much of a criteria it is for MVP votes. I don't have faith in the process.

As much as we are just people with opinions, so are the voters.
Maybe Orlovsky has an agenda to voice the SOS argument because he is friends with Stafford and he's pushing that narrative. It's not only plausible, it's highly probable.
I have seen interviews with MVP voters (Breer, Russini, Kimes...) and they all basically said there is no magic formula, they don't get together and discuss it, they all determine who is the MVP in their own way, so 100% there is bias, it can't be avoided.
So yes, in a way it's a hollow award with a flawed criteria.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Brady won his fiirst in 2007, when he was in his EIGHTH year in the league. It would be a far different situation with Maye

I'm not saying winning a league MVP is totally meaningless. Brady won a Super Bowl MVP which is, to me, far more meaningful.

I don't think I was entirely alone when, prior to the Patriots clinching a playoff spot in 2001, I believed Tom gave them their best chance to win any game over any other quarterback in the league.

In any case, Tom did get a restructured contract, the starting job and the accompanying attention and expectations that come with it. I think Drake has very similar maturity and focus that Tom showed.

Further, Maye displays genuine humility and unselfishness for a first round pick.