MVP thread

[Malua]

This is history

 

[slash83]

Orlovsky is a little *****, he might cry if Drake wins MVP.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

That is literally what I am saying.
No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

There is no way to prove what never happened and you know that.

This now the second article that talks about defensive ranking faced for MVP candidates and how it's considered , this one from 2023.

Predicting the 2023 NFL MVP: Bills QB Josh Allen is ahead after five weeks of the NFL season

Bills QB Josh Allen leads the way in PFF's MVP race, but he's closely followed by Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes.

www.pff.com

Are you going to admit your're wrong that this year isn't the first time SOS/strength of defense played was discussed, or are you going to move the goalposts again?

 

[Ring 6]

This now the second article that talks about defensive ranking faced for MVP candidates and how it's considered , this one from 2023.

Predicting the 2023 NFL MVP: Bills QB Josh Allen is ahead after five weeks of the NFL season

Bills QB Josh Allen leads the way in PFF's MVP race, but he's closely followed by Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes.

www.pff.com

Are you going to admit your're wrong that this year isn't the first time SOS/strength of defense played was discussed, or are you going to move the goalposts again?

Pff lol

 

[Ring 6]

This now the second article that talks about defensive ranking faced for MVP candidates and how it's considered , this one from 2023.

Predicting the 2023 NFL MVP: Bills QB Josh Allen is ahead after five weeks of the NFL season

Bills QB Josh Allen leads the way in PFF's MVP race, but he's closely followed by Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes.

www.pff.com

Are you going to admit your're wrong that this year isn't the first time SOS/strength of defense played was discussed, or are you going to move the goalposts again?

The chart posted by Malua is proof that it had been a complete non factor

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Pff lol

Exactly as I thought, you can't admit you're wrong even when you are.
You asked for proof, I gave you proof.
There are several more articles referencing strength of opponents for MVP candidates from past years.
You're wrong, I proved you're wrong, and you still aren't man enough to admit it.

Yet another article that talks about SOS strength and defences played

Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen: Which QB deserves MVP most, and why it's not a done deal despite All-Pro results

The top two MVP candidates square off in Sunday's massive AFC divisional game

www.cbssports.com

Your quotes:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

I have unequivocally proven your statements wrong.

Just be a man and admit you're wrong....for once.

 

[festy1986]

Y'all are too funny. The sos doesn't matter and never will.

The value is what matters.

Stafford will lose Sunday and make it a moot point anyway.

 

[Malua]

Exactly as I thought, you can't admit you're wrong even when you are.
You asked for proof, I gave you proof.
There are several more articles referencing strength of opponents for MVP candidates from past years.
You're wrong, I proved you're wrong, and you still aren't man enough to admit it.

Yet another article that talks about SOS strength and defences played

Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen: Which QB deserves MVP most, and why it's not a done deal despite All-Pro results

The top two MVP candidates square off in Sunday's massive AFC divisional game

www.cbssports.com

Your quotes:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

I have unequivocally proven your statements wrong.

Just be a man and admit you're wrong....for once.

There is literally one (1) sentence in this article where they mentioned that Allen played 3rd easiest schedule and Lamar 10th. And even in this criteria group they were even because they more looked their record against play off teams and against best defences.

In this year, strength of schedule is ONLY reason why Drake can not be mvp, and every single discussion is about week schedule.

 

[Uptown]

Ohh ok…now his nonsense makes even more sense..

 

[Ring 6]

Exactly as I thought, you can't admit you're wrong even when you are.
You asked for proof, I gave you proof.
There are several more articles referencing strength of opponents for MVP candidates from past years.
You're wrong, I proved you're wrong, and you still aren't man enough to admit it.

Yet another article that talks about SOS strength and defences played

Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen: Which QB deserves MVP most, and why it's not a done deal despite All-Pro results

The top two MVP candidates square off in Sunday's massive AFC divisional game

www.cbssports.com

Your quotes:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

I have unequivocally proven your statements wrong.

Just be a man and admit you're wrong....for once.

A PFF article doesn’t prove SOD has been used as a criteria for selecting the MVP.

 

[Ring 6]

Exactly as I thought, you can't admit you're wrong even when you are.
You asked for proof, I gave you proof.
There are several more articles referencing strength of opponents for MVP candidates from past years.
You're wrong, I proved you're wrong, and you still aren't man enough to admit it.

Yet another article that talks about SOS strength and defences played

Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen: Which QB deserves MVP most, and why it's not a done deal despite All-Pro results

The top two MVP candidates square off in Sunday's massive AFC divisional game

www.cbssports.com

Your quotes:

No one has ever considered SOS in MVP consideration and this that for the first time ever it’s being brought up.

No I do not think they did, because it literally has never been discussed as a criteria.

I have unequivocally proven your statements wrong.

Just be a man and admit you're wrong....for once.

You really are a blithering idiot aren’t you.
Your “proof” is an article that analyzes both players and makes an off hand remark about strength of schedule AND THEY GUY WHO PLAYED THR EASIER SCHEDULE WON THE MVP.

Go away, you are no longer a useful idiot, you are just an annoying weirdo who can’t discuss a topic honestly.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

There is literally one (1) sentence in this article where they mentioned that Allen played 3rd easiest schedule and Lamar 10th. And even in this criteria group they were even because they more looked their record against play off teams and against best defences.

In this year, strength of schedule is ONLY reason why Drake can not be mvp, and every single discussion is about week schedule.

Maye
Validates
Patriots

 

[ScottishPatriots]

The narrative based voting is the worst part of the MVP voting, giving Stafford as crowning career award like it's a movie script.

It's like when a QB wins it 2 years in a row and they're like the voters won't want to give him 3 in a row so they're looking to give it to someone else, who won it last year or how many times they've won it or the age of the contenders should all be totally irrelevant if they're deserving.

 

[Raccoonsuit]

The narrative based voting is the worst part of the MVP voting, giving Stafford as crowning career award like it's a movie script.

It's like when a QB wins it 2 years in a row and they're like the voters won't want to give him 3 in a row so they're looking to give it to someone else, who won it last year or how many times they've won it or the age of the contenders should all be totally irrelevant if they're deserving.

Jokic in basketball is a great example of this. Hes gonna be out a month so it's giving all the reporters an excuse not to vote for him.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Yes, Orlovsky has a vote.

Last year the voters included Tom Curran and Ben Volin, as well as Brady and Bruschi.

In any case, the actual individual ballots will likely be made public. . . .

I mean Ben Volin and Tom Curran have a vote for the MVP. That’s just show you the credibility of this award.

It’s funny how last year for guys like Orlovsky the SOS didn’t matter. Allen had one of the easiest schedule last year. But this year it’s like the most important thing.

The argument last year was how Allen had a better record and did more with less than Lamar who had Henry and better weapons.

Majority of voters are salty about the Patriots or other had bad takes about Drake Maye and instead of acknowledging they were wrong, they just persist in their bad takes. Orlovsky is one of them. He was adamant that Maye needed to sit for 2-3 years before playing. So he can’t vote for him in the MVP.

I am not even sure Brady will vote for Maye. I think he consider Stafford a friend and the last true pocket passer and I think it pisses him of that Drake Maye is already doing thing like that so soon.

Drake Maye should be the MVP but he won’t.

Edit: I stand corrected the Bills had a hard schedule last year

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The narrative based voting is the worst part of the MVP voting, giving Stafford as crowning career award like it's a movie script.

It's like when a QB wins it 2 years in a row and they're like the voters won't want to give him 3 in a row so they're looking to give it to someone else, who won it last year or how many times they've won it or the age of the contenders should all be totally irrelevant if they're deserving.

Which makes Brett Favre's 3 straight impressive and helps make him the 2nd best quarterback of the 90's, for me.

 

[patfanken]

Well rich Eisen the jets fan is laughing at the Vegas odds.

He’s voting for Stafford.

Stafford buddy Dan orlovsky said he’s voting for Stafford. That’s two votes for Stafford so far.

There are 50 voters and I know Orlovsky doesn't have one of them and I doubt very much Eisen does either. Whew, Maye dodges a bullet early.

Myself, I'm kind of ambivalent about this award so early in his career. I worry about elevated expectations it will bring at so young an age and so early in his development. There is no doubt that the QB is the most important offensive position, but football is still a game where EVERYONE's individual success is more dependent his teammates than any other team sport on every single play. I don't want to see it eventually become a burden. I kind of like the idea of the view that Maye was robbed of this award and he goes into next season "with a chip on his shoulder" rather than carry the expectations and pressure of being the "MVP" when he misses an open man.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

There are 50 voters and I know Orlovsky doesn't have one of them and I doubt very much Eisen does either. Whew, Maye dodges a bullet early.

Myself, I'm kind of ambivalent about this award so early in his career. I worry about elevated expectations it will bring at so young an age and so early in his development. There is no doubt that the QB is the most important offensive position, but football is still a game where EVERYONE's individual success is more dependent his teammates than any other team sport on every single play. I don't want to see it eventually become a burden. I kind of like the idea of the view that Maye was robbed of this award and he goes into next season "with a chip on his shoulder" rather than carry the expectations and pressure of being the "MVP" when he misses an open man.

No way. I certainly hope he's no more affected by it than Brady was.

 

[patfanken]

No way. I certainly hope he's no more affected by it than Brady was.

Brady won his fiirst in 2007, when he was in his EIGHTH year in the league. It would be a far different situation with Maye

 

[Ring 6]

There are 50 voters and I know Orlovsky doesn't have one of them and I doubt very much Eisen does either. Whew, Maye dodges a bullet early.

Myself, I'm kind of ambivalent about this award so early in his career. I worry about elevated expectations it will bring at so young an age and so early in his development. There is no doubt that the QB is the most important offensive position, but football is still a game where EVERYONE's individual success is more dependent his teammates than any other team sport on every single play. I don't want to see it eventually become a burden. I kind of like the idea of the view that Maye was robbed of this award and he goes into next season "with a chip on his shoulder" rather than carry the expectations and pressure of being the "MVP" when he misses an open man.

If he chokes from pressure of recognition and expectation, he would choke for other reasons without the recognition.

Pressure is a fact of life, and isn’t created or increased by recognition.
They work every day and expect themselves to execute every play perfectly. Being called the best doesn’t change that.