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Patriots Injury News The Patriots placed WR Mack Hollins on IR

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Pop is making 1.2M next year, I don't see any reason to replace him. Maybe he slips to the very bottom of the depth chart, but it wouldn't be wise to get rid of a player who can contribute at such a ridiculously low salary.
Agree and it's a contract year for him . So all the more likely to retain him and see if he scales up unless he wants to head out. If Chism starts breaking outz I don't see how we get anybody new . We might just continue with current cast and hope Williams and Chism become better while hollins and diggs provide more vet support.

Boutte might be off if he doesn't sign an extension or wants much more than what is offered. I reckon he might be a 3 year 30 million 18 gtd guy. Boutte really fell off last few weeks hurting his free agency stock unless he had a rapid ascension in post season.
 
Sure, I don't think they'll cut him prior to wk 1 - but depending on who we bring in at WR (and there will be a legit FA) - and if they like the mix of Diggs, Boutte, KW, Hollins, Chism + WR1 - Pop could be the odd man out, or go on IR.
Cause there's very little dead cap by waiving him too.
I saw that, $33,333.
I still think he has a role here.
If we were to bring another WR, one would suspect it would someone making a decent dime, making Pop's salary even more attractive as a contributor.
I am probably in the minority here, but I would be more than fine having the same WR room next year.
I see encouraging development in KW and Boutte, and want Diggs and Hollins back.
Now if we could get a dynamic TE, then sign me up.
 
I saw that, $33,333.
I still think he has a role here.
If we were to bring another WR, one would suspect it would someone making a decent dime, making Pop's salary even more attractive as a contributor.
I am probably in the minority here, but I would be more than fine having the same WR room next year.
I see encouraging development in KW and Boutte, and want Diggs and Hollins back.
Now if we could get a dynamic TE, then sign me up.
This. Boutte's 23, and will be in his 4th season in the league next year. Williams is only 22. Diggs has vastly outperformed even my wildest dreams about him this year, as has Hollins.

No reason not to run it back with that crew, with an entire year in the offense. Certainly no need to lay out draft capital or QB money for a guy who might be a moderate upgrade at best.
 
Are you saying Maye's Qb rating would be 117 if Hollins never played for the team? Would they be 16-0? Would the running game be better or worse? An outcome does not mean there is a root cause. You know better.

Your math is wrong. 326 routes run and 550 receiving yards = 1.69. No need to get condescending with me when your math sucks.

You lose credibility by even comparing Hollins to Harry.

A ball catcher is a ball catcher.

Williams had a ****ty drop yesterday and catches less than 50% of his targets and his routes aren't consistent. To say he is better than Hollins is delusional. Just like your Harry take.

Better players play more. Do you not agree? Football is a meritocracy. That is why Hollins plays more than Williams and Douglas. I know you believe that but now you don't.

Are you seriously using one game to state there is a trend?

Well, you can't backup Douglas and Williams as replacements for Hollins because the facts don't support it as they are not as productive.

You keep bringing up how many teams Hollins played for. That is not relevant to 2025.
Did I say his qb rating would be 117 and we would be undefeated? No.

I said the offense is better when he isn’t on the field, which I’d both true and supportive of my opinion.

I didn’t do the math I took it straight from PFF. Your mistake is that it’s 343 routes run. My math is correct.

How do I lose credibility when I say that Hollins yards per route run is the same as Harrys? It’s a fact. At least it was through 2024.
I know you don’t like that fact, but it is a fact. If you put Hollins or Harry on the field for 100 passing snaps you get an equal amount of receiving yards. I didn’t make it up, it’s the truth.

Williams is much better than Hollins.
I didn’t have a “Harry take” I compared Harry’s stats to Hollins in productivity per route.

Better player are supposed to play more, but cus he’s make mistakes too.

The tench is not one game, it’s the entire season. They do better when Hollins isn’t on the field. How do you explain that away?

Douglas is more productive 1.99 per route vs 1.60

Plus the biggest benefit of no Hollins is more Diggs.
Would you rather have Diggs playing 55% of the snaps and Hollins playing 68% or Diggs playing 85 and Williams, Boutte and Douglas sharing the other 38?

How many teams gave up on him is relevant to his skill level.
 
Clearly someone does
 

Oh no. This is a big loss for the Patriots.

Not only does Mack Hollins provide a big target for Maye, he's one of the hardest workers on the squad and really helps the morale and the WR room.

I'm gonna pray for his full recovery but this means he will miss the rest of the season and playoffs.
 
One benefit to not getting the bye is that Hollins would be available for the AFC championship game. With the bye, he wouldn't be available until the Super Bowl. All that assumes we keep winning.
 
Did I say his qb rating would be 117 and we would be undefeated? No.
You imply if Hollins doesn't play Drake will have a 116 QB rating the entire year. That would be the 3rd greatest QB year of all time. Please.
I said the offense is better when he isn’t on the field, which I’d both true and supportive of my opinion.
....Based on a limited sample with no context. What was the down and distance of the plays Hollins was out? What was the defensive coverage? You are pointing to a stat based on no context.
I didn’t do the math I took it straight from PFF. Your mistake is that it’s 343 routes run. My math is correct.
It's 326 for my site.
How do I lose credibility when I say that Hollins yards per route run is the same as Harrys? It’s a fact. At least it was through 2024.
I know you don’t like that fact, but it is a fact. If you put Hollins or Harry on the field for 100 passing snaps you get an equal amount of receiving yards. I didn’t make it up, it’s the truth.
You lose a ton of credibility by saying it. It's a statement made in a echo chamber. Saying Harry is more productive a player that Hollins is a joke. Extrapolating stats based on a limited data sample doesn't make a player better. He hasn't done it. How can he be better? Thats like saying a RB w/ 5ypc and 30 carries over 2 years and can't pick up the blitz is better than one who is 4ypc, picks up the blitz and has 150 carries and is in the league for 5 years. It's dumb.
Williams is much better than Hollins.
No he isn't. Williams has a ways to go. Maybe some day.
I didn’t have a “Harry take” I compared Harry’s stats to Hollins in productivity per route.
...and said he is better than Hollins.
The tench is not one game, it’s the entire season. They do better when Hollins isn’t on the field. How do you explain that away?
Explain what away? They averaged almost 28ppg with Hollins playing 68% of the snaps and is a key contributor. What is your problem?
Douglas is more productive 1.99 per route vs 1.60
Douglas has less yards. Less catches. Less catch %. More drops. Less 1st down success % .Not good on run blocking. There is a reason he plays less. He isn't as good.
Plus the biggest benefit of no Hollins is more Diggs.
We all want more Diggs but I don't think less Hollins necessarily makes that happen. If Boutte was avail maybe.
Would you rather have Diggs playing 55% of the snaps and Hollins playing 68% or Diggs playing 85 and Williams, Boutte and Douglas sharing the other 38?
Diggs and Boutte yes. Williams and Douglas no.
How many teams gave up on him is relevant to his skill level.

It's relevant to his contract and has nothing to do with 2025. Brandin Cooks has played for 7 teams. So what?
 
You imply if Hollins doesn't play Drake will have a 116 QB rating the entire year. That would be the 3rd greatest QB year of all time. Please.

....Based on a limited sample with no context. What was the down and distance of the plays Hollins was out? What was the defensive coverage? You are pointing to a stat based on no context.

It's 326 for my site.

You lose a ton of credibility by saying it. It's a statement made in a echo chamber. Saying Harry is more productive a player that Hollins is a joke. Extrapolating stats based on a limited data sample doesn't make a player better. He hasn't done it. How can he be better? Thats like saying a RB w/ 5ypc and 30 carries over 2 years and can't pick up the blitz is better than one who is 4ypc, picks up the blitz and has 150 carries and is in the league for 5 years. It's dumb.

No he isn't. Williams has a ways to go. Maybe some day.

...and said he is better than Hollins.

Explain what away? They averaged almost 28ppg with Hollins playing 68% of the snaps and is a key contributor. What is your problem?

Douglas has less yards. Less catches. Less catch %. More drops. Less 1st down success % .Not good on run blocking. There is a reason he plays less. He isn't as good.

We all want more Diggs but I don't think less Hollins necessarily makes that happen. If Boutte was avail maybe.

Diggs and Boutte yes. Williams and Douglas no.


It's relevant to his contract and has nothing to do with 2025. Brandin Cooks has played for 7 teams. So what?
You inferred, I did not imply. I simply showed the stats with him on the field vs off.

It was about 40% of the plays. That is significant.

All the other numbers are from my site so it would be consistent to use the same one. Instead you tried to insult me by saying I can’t do math. That’s beneath you, but I get why you did it.

It doesn’t affect my credibility at all to be discussing Hollins yards per route run and finding examples that are similar. It probably costs you a ton of credibility to just dismiss it. There was no extrapolating. It was the number for each. Harry’s was over 670 routes run. Perhaps you should wonder why you are touting a guy who couldn’t produce more per route than Harry instead of pretending the stat that Damond your argument is an insult. The insult is building a career where you are no more effective per route than NKeal Harry. As well as flipping out when it’s shown to you.

Williams hasn’t had enough opportunity yet but he is better receiver. I can’t believe you would argue Hollins is more talented than Kyle Williams. Wow.

I never said Harry was better than Hollins. I said based on how productive they are when running routes, they are very comparable.

Explain how Hollins was a plus and not a detraction (I’d accept comparative non factor) when the team does better when he isnt on the field.

You realize Douglas has less yards because he plays less. Per route he is about 25% better. Coaching error has Hollins playing more than him.

Someone has to take the 68% of snaps. Diggs is sitting 45% of them. He’s your best receiver. Keeping him off the field so Hollins can play is a mistake. Again I’ll take any of the 4 over him for those 68%.

Before this year Douglas 1.55 yprr, Hollins 1.07. This year Douglas 1.99 Hollins 1.60. Douglas has been 25% more productive this year and more than 40% more over their careers.
Hollins is a guy who runs a lot of routes and doesn’t get open very much, but if you keep putting him out there even his mediocre at best ability to get open results in some catches. Many other receivers would produce more. That is the story of his career.

It’s relevant to his team wanting him around. Cooks was traded FOR numerous times. Hollins was let go numerous times.
 
I didn't realize how much Mack's personality impacts this team until I sat behind the bench during last game. Guy is a character who was pumping everyone up on every play.
 
So now you know more than the coaching staff for what is good for our offense?

You realize Douglas has less yards because he plays less. Per route he is about 25% better. Coaching error has Hollins playing more than him.

So we have a coaching staff that makes millions of dollars, and they are very good at their profession, but now you know better?

The same coaching staff that has us as the #5 scoring offense in the NFL, #1 in the AFC.
The same coaching staff that has schemed up an offense that is incredibly effective.

One would think a very highly regarded coaching staff that has years of NFL experience would know what they are doing, and they play Hollins as much as they do for a reason.

But, you know more than them apparently?
 
You imply if Hollins doesn't play Drake will have a 116 QB rating the entire year. That would be the 3rd greatest QB year of all time. Please.

....Based on a limited sample with no context. What was the down and distance of the plays Hollins was out? What was the defensive coverage? You are pointing to a stat based on no context.

It's 326 for my site.

You lose a ton of credibility by saying it. It's a statement made in a echo chamber. Saying Harry is more productive a player that Hollins is a joke. Extrapolating stats based on a limited data sample doesn't make a player better. He hasn't done it. How can he be better? Thats like saying a RB w/ 5ypc and 30 carries over 2 years and can't pick up the blitz is better than one who is 4ypc, picks up the blitz and has 150 carries and is in the league for 5 years. It's dumb.

No he isn't. Williams has a ways to go. Maybe some day.

...and said he is better than Hollins.

Explain what away? They averaged almost 28ppg with Hollins playing 68% of the snaps and is a key contributor. What is your problem?

Douglas has less yards. Less catches. Less catch %. More drops. Less 1st down success % .Not good on run blocking. There is a reason he plays less. He isn't as good.

We all want more Diggs but I don't think less Hollins necessarily makes that happen. If Boutte was avail maybe.

Diggs and Boutte yes. Williams and Douglas no.


It's relevant to his contract and has nothing to do with 2025. Brandin Cooks has played for 7 teams. So what?
 
But, you know more than them apparently?

He watches film, the coaches just agree with the 'widely held' consensus which proves they do not watch film
 
Hollins - I think a lot of guys could play his role. He's been good this year, but Meyers could have done more with his snaps, just as an equivalent. I bet Hollins stays on his contract - cheap and worthwhile.
Pop - has underperformed. just plain simple. He has been given a lot of kudos because he was the highest producing WR last year with a terrible team and a non-NFL caliber offense under AVP. He's not a good route runner, and has frequent mental mistakes. I think it's 50/50 he's replaced next year.
J Meyers would be great but isn't he $10M more than Hollins. So which $10M player are you cutting if you are going to replace Hollins with J Meyers?
 
J Meyers would be great but isn't he $10M more than Hollins. So which $10M player are you cutting if you are going to replace Hollins with J Meyers?
Hollins makes $4m.
Meyers just signed a 3 year $60m extension.
$16m a year delta, that's not chump change.
 
So now you know more than the coaching staff for what is good for our offense?

You realize Douglas has less yards because he plays less. Per route he is about 25% better. Coaching error has Hollins playing more than him.

So we have a coaching staff that makes millions of dollars, and they are very good at their profession, but now you know better?

The same coaching staff that has us as the #5 scoring offense in the NFL, #1 in the AFC.
The same coaching staff that has schemed up an offense that is incredibly effective.

One would think a very highly regarded coaching staff that has years of NFL experience would know what they are doing, and they play Hollins as much as they do for a reason.

But, you know more than them apparently?
Was this directed at me?

Is your argument that the coaching staff is infallible?
That every decision they make is correct?
That if someone notices a mistake they’ve made, based upon the actual results, that they would have to know more than the coaching staff in order to recognize it was a mistake?

So as fans, we can do nothing but nod our heads and say the coaching staff is perfect and everything they do is always right, because after all they know more than us, so how could we ever know if they did something wrong?

So when we get stopped a lot in short yardage and have the worst red zone performance in the league, we actually are right to do everything we did, because we pay coaches millions and they know more than us?
Having Mapu throw a pass was genius and we should praise it because they know more than us so we just accept they were right?

Interesting take. Big brother must be watching.
 
Discussed earlier in the thread if you can avoid the crap. The bye week in the playoff counts towards the ir time whether or not the team plays that week. On of our resident know it alls made an incorrect statement they presented as fact and were later found to be incorrect. So he is eligible to come back the week of the championship game regardless.
 
On of our resident know it alls made an incorrect statement they presented as fact and were later found to be incorrect.
C'mon man, we don't have any of those...
Well, the ignore list gets longer every day.
 
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