Player Signing Patriots Extend Ben Brown

[Ross12]

That's a recipe for disaster. Bradbury and Wilson are the weak links on the O-line. Especially with the running game.

BOTH need to be improved upon.

Huh? Bradbury can be improved, perhaps, but I don’t see how Wilson is considered a weak link. He’s a rookie. I don’t know why they’d prioritize improving upon him when he’s already looked fairly solid in his first year and has a lot of room to grow, even more so by moving to his true position at C.

 

[upstater1]

I am dreaming that too. Release Onwenu to make up most of the salary cap charge. Draft a RG in R1 or R2.

I wouldn't want to mess with Onwenu's well being. And who would be making the pick?

Hopefully not the guy who selected: Sidy Sow, Chasen Hines, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Caeden Wallace.

The fact is, Onwenu will make $16m next year, and one could argue that is average for an average starter in the NFL right now. A good guard is now in the mid $20ms.

But we need to negotiate with the guy because replacing him with a FA will cost us more IF the FA is decent, and because Onwenu has been VERY HEALTHY over the years (knock on wood), and because his $8m cap hit is not small.

Negotiate it so his cap number is significantly reduced even if his salary stays around $14-$15m.

 

[jdlboot14]

I've been a big Brown supporter since he came in last year. I know he's not flawless, but he reminds me of a Mankins type of guy. Great depth and versatile at G or C.

 

[Ross12]

I wouldn't want to mess with Onwenu's well being. And who would be making the pick?

Hopefully not the guy who selected: Sidy Sow, Chasen Hines, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Caeden Wallace.

The fact is, Onwenu will make $16m next year, and one could argue that is average for an average starter in the NFL right now. A good guard is now in the mid $20ms.

But we need to negotiate with the guy because replacing him with a FA will cost us more IF the FA is decent, and because Onwenu has been VERY HEALTHY over the years (knock on wood), and because his $8m cap hit is not small.

Negotiate it so his cap number is significantly reduced even if his salary stays around $14-$15m.

Pretty sure the guy making the pick would be the same guy who picked all of the outstanding selections just this past April…

I do appreciate your point about Onwenu’s health. He has been exceedingly reliable in that regard, which often goes overlooked.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I wouldn't want to mess with Onwenu's well being. And who would be making the pick?

Hopefully not the guy who selected: Sidy Sow, Chasen Hines, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Caeden Wallace.

The fact is, Onwenu will make $16m next year, and one could argue that is average for an average starter in the NFL right now. A good guard is now in the mid $20ms.

But we need to negotiate with the guy because replacing him with a FA will cost us more IF the FA is decent, and because Onwenu has been VERY HEALTHY over the years (knock on wood), and because his $8m cap hit is not small.

Negotiate it so his cap number is significantly reduced even if his salary stays around $14-$15m.

Onwenu can't move well and will keep getting slower. We need to be faster, even on the OL. Remember when we used to have great screen plays with Brady? Need faster OLmen.

 

[captain stone]

Why?!?

 

[mgteich]

I wouldn't want to mess with Onwenu's well being. And who would be making the pick?

Hopefully not the guy who selected: Sidy Sow, Chasen Hines, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Caeden Wallace.

The fact is, Onwenu will make $16m next year, and one could argue that is average for an average starter in the NFL right now. A good guard is now in the mid $20ms.

But we need to negotiate with the guy because replacing him with a FA will cost us more IF the FA is decent, and because Onwenu has been VERY HEALTHY over the years (knock on wood), and because his $8m cap hit is not small.

Negotiate it so his cap number is significantly reduced even if his salary stays around $14-$15m.

The solution is a 2-year extension with his 2026 salary moved into the signing bonus.

 

[mgteich]

Why?!?

because Brown is an inexpensive OK backup at both LG and center.

 

[203Pat]

Wonder if they think Jared Wilson will slide over to center and Brown will get a chance to start full time at guard next year.

 

[DaBruinz]

Huh? Bradbury can be improved, perhaps, but I don’t see how Wilson is considered a weak link. He’s a rookie. I don’t know why they’d prioritize improving upon him when he’s already looked fairly solid in his first year and has a lot of room to grow, even more so by moving to his true position at C.

He's a "weal link" because he's barely been an upgrade over Layden Robinson. When you look at the Run Game, the A and B gabs on either side of him have been the worst on the line. Do I think he can improve? Yes. Is it a guarantee? No. Are there injury concerns? Yes. While I am not closing the book on him by any stretch of the imagination, I'm also not convinced that he's the long term solution at Center.

My thought process is that you bring in Linderbaum and/or McGovern. You let Wilson battle it out with the two of them. He'll have a leg up to start with because he knows the offense already. At worst, You have another C/G capable of being a starter if Wilson's injury issues continue.

 

[Thunderhead]

Call me crazy, but I'm in no rush to upgrade Bradbury at C. Is he an all pro? Hell no, but he clearly works well with Maye and has been involved to some degree with Maye's ascension.

 

[mgteich]

Huh? Bradbury can be improved, perhaps, but I don’t see how Wilson is considered a weak link. He’s a rookie. I don’t know why they’d prioritize improving upon him when he’s already looked fairly solid in his first year and has a lot of room to grow, even more so by moving to his true position at C.

Wilson was considered one of the steals of the draft at center. He has been OK at LG. He isn't a top starter as a rookie so, for some, he just isn't good enough.

 

[mgteich]

He's a "weal link" because he's barely been an upgrade over Layden Robinson.

Thak you for making your evaluation so clear.

 

[DaBruinz]

It is a matter of priorities. Obviously if Linderbaum is there, we'll want to sign him for the $20M a year he will require. We will basically lose the value of Wilson since he is likely NOT the long-term solution at LG. Of course, if Bradbury improves, be can hope to get someothing in trade. But Linderbaum would be worth it.

Bradbury is 30. He's not improving on what you see.

Linderbaum may not cost you $20M, but likely will. But I've offered a very good alternative in McGovern. Signing McGovern has multiple pluses. First, it takes a valuable piece from the Bills. Second, McGovern has played C and LG at a high level. You can make Center Wilson's position to lose and have McGovern there if Wilson faulters or get's injured. If Wilson wins the Center job, then you've upgraded BOTH positions.

The problem with Wilson, however, is that he's injured for a 3rd time with the Concussion. It's worrisome enough that the Pats felt the need to bring Brendan Jaimes to the Active Roster. It also raises the question of what Wilson's longevity in the league is going to be.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Call me crazy, but I'm in no rush to upgrade Bradbury at C. Is he an all pro? Hell no, but he clearly works well with Maye and has been involved to some degree with Maye's ascension.

Brown is the primary reason we can’t run block

 

[upstater1]

Pretty sure the guy making the pick would be the same guy who picked all of the outstanding selections just this past April…

I do appreciate your point about Onwenu’s health. He has been exceedingly reliable in that regard, which often goes overlooked.

I would hope so, but the guy who picked all those others is still around. We have a sure thing in Onwenu. I just hate to mess with Maye's comfortability and protection right now. For what? To save $8m?

 

[DaBruinz]

Thak you for making your evaluation so clear.

Wilson was considered one of the steals of the draft at center. He has been OK at LG. He isn't a top starter as a rookie so, for some, he just isn't good enough.

Contrary to your ignorant snark here, Wilson hasn't been "OK". He's barely been better than Layden Robinson was last year. You know. The rookie the Pats spent a 4th rounder on. Unlike you, I am consistent in my critiques of players, using factual information such as pressures allowed as the gauge. I've used them previous times to show how good/bad Wilson has been.

If you didn't CHERRY PICK sentences and read entire statements, you wouldn't look like such a knob. Because you completely ignored the rest of my response to Ross where I stated I think he can improve, but that it's not a guarantee. I also pointed out the injury concerns that are now there because he's had his 3rd injury this season.

 

[DaBruinz]

Brown is the primary reason we can’t run block

What does Brown have to do with Thunderhead talking about Bradbury?

 

[upstater1]

Onwenu can't move well and will keep getting slower. We need to be faster, even on the OL. Remember when we used to have great screen plays with Brady? Need faster OLmen.

Those days are over though. Marrone prefers hefty power rushers. This is a very different kind of lineman that Scarnecchia wanted.

 

[DaBruinz]

Those days are over though. Marrone prefers hefty power rushers. This is a very different kind of lineman that Scarnecchia wanted.

I don't know about that. Campbell and Wilson aren't plodders. Old Man Moses showed that he's still got what it takes to pull.

Onwenu showed plenty of ability to move during the last game.

Yes, Marrone prefers "Road-graders" but you can have them that are mobile. Linderbaum and McGovern are two guys who can move well as O-linemen and are considered "Road-Graders".

A lot is going to depend on what the Team can come up with in regards to Onwenu and what he's willing to do.